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WHTT Line Up

Art Scene

...I'd wager most no longer site and listen to the radio in the manner you suggest. It is truly a lost art...radio as "theatre of the mind"...

I agree that there are few examples left of radio as truly "theatre of the mind". I have little doubt that it would fail miserably with the majority of the audience. I was using it as an example of how radio has evolved, not positing a return to this type of broadcast.

Perhaps we could get the National Endowment for the Arts or some big Foundation to front us a bunch of $$$ so we could revive the form as "spoken art" or "audio art". That would make at least as much sense as some of the "performance art" that gets grant dollars these days. Who knows, maybe we could convince some NY Arts Scene mover & shaker that it's "the next big thing"! Of course, the Internet and/or viral marketing will have to be part of the package...
 
Listening to WHTT today, the new Mix 104.1 jingles were on the air. Was this the first time or were they being used last week? I might have missed them. The jocks were saying "Mix 104 point 1" almost exclusively, although there also were a few times when the WHTT call letters were used with Mix 104.1.

Checking the station's website, it still features 104.1 WHTT Buffalo's Greatest Hits with no sign of Mix 104.1. Checking the personality line-up also yields the same, although a weird contradiction comes up when Val Townsend is Googled and her WHTT bio and WEDG bio come up, although the WEDG page loads very slowly.

It sounds like WHTT has thrown down the gauntlet to WJYE and WTSS more than any other stations in Buffalo.
 
SpareChange said:
Listening to WHTT today, the new Mix 104.1 jingles were on the air. Was this the first time or were they being used last week? I might have missed them. The jocks were saying "Mix 104 point 1" almost exclusively, although there also were a few times when the WHTT call letters were used with Mix 104.1.
Just checked to see if they put up the new website and it looks great--a big improvement over the old one. Also includes a brand-new logo.
 
When the dust settles, the paint dries and the plaster sets, will gold-standards CHWO see more of an improvement given WHTT's move toward AC?
 
Radknowski said:
When the dust settles, the paint dries and the plaster sets, will gold-standards CHWO see more of an improvement given WHTT's move toward AC?

Only among radio geeks who DX the AM band.
 
CHWO is hardly DX in Buffalo. It comes in like a local. Admittedly AM doesn't sound as good as FM but if the music you want is on AM then it's another story.
 
CHWO Nelly!

Mike Sheridan said:
CHWO is hardly DX in Buffalo. It comes in like a local. Admittedly AM doesn't sound as good as FM but if the music you want is on AM then it's another story.

It's not a question of distance, it's a question of awareness. There's no promotion that I'm aware of for CHWO. IF you happen to be listening to AM in the car, and IF you happen to hit the "seek" button several times, you might stumble across it. Otherwise, I doubt that the average listener is aware that it's there.
 
I disagree. People are aware of 740AM. So as not to violate any Arbitron regulations, I won't specifically state its share number. But it is impressive for an out-of-town AM station that does no promotion in the Buffalo market. I would say a substantial portion of WECK's old audience has migrated to 740AM.
 
Philip_Airtime said:
I would say a substantial portion of WECK's old audience has migrated to 740AM.

Not to hijack the thread but does anyone think it would make sense for Regent to now move WECK in an oldies direction? It's kind of funny how there's no 60's music on the dial anywhere on a Buffalo station, not counting WJJL, they don't have a clue.
 
"Not to hijack the thread but does anyone think it would make sense for Regent to now move WECK in an oldies direction?"

If they did that, and simply matched CHWO's current Buffalo market numbers, they'd be doubling their AQH audience immediately.

What we're learning right now, is that Entercom pulled the plug on KB way too soon, that there was real potential in a personality oldies format on the AM band, and a Toronto station is now exploiting a big chunk of it (not that it does them much good, since I'm sure they make no sales effort outside the GTA). Since the current KB format is on the road to nowhere, seems to me Entercom has two choices for KB. Either move back to personality oldies, do it right, and get a 3 or 4 share in Buffalo, or (now doable under the FCC's new facilities change rules) move it lock, stock and transmitter towers to Rochester and take on a vulnerable WHAM with a serious local news/talker, and grab a 6 or 7 share in an equivalent and still growing market. Either way they protect WBEN's franchise while making the most economically of that blowtorch signal.
 
"Not to hijack the thread but does anyone think it would make sense for Regent to now move WECK in an oldies direction?"

Hiijack away. We're all willing participants.

To us, the posters and readers here, it seems like a no-brainer. But I suspect Regent has more important issues to deal with than WECK. Still, one could make an argument for that alledged $1 million annual billing that, according to Mr. Silver, WECK brought in with its Standards format.

If they did that, and simply matched CHWO's current Buffalo market numbers, they'd be doubling their AQH audience immediately.

True, but they'd have to SELL it. Can the Regent sales force SELL those numbers? What sales person is going to hit the streets attempting to sell 50+ when they know they can more easily and effectively sell the HEFTY 25-54 numbers on WYRK, WJYE, WBLK and even Jack? Let's be serious: Sales people, like water and electricity, take the path of least resistance. We've repeatedly heard the big issue with Oldies and Standards is "it's a tough(er) sell because of the demos..." Programmers don't control radio these days, SALES people do. Read alw's essay a few threads ago, regarding the attitude of sales people. They don't give a spit WHAT the format is, as long as they THINK they can sell it. I could be very wrong (it wouldn't be the first time) but it seems that experienced sales people CAN sell 35+ and even 45+. But the more important question is relates, who's BUYING 35+ and 45+. I think we know what the answer is, "not many clients." Hence, a sales staff's aversion to selling 50+ on a small AM, when it's easier to sell 25-54 on four FM's.

Most retailers want 25-54 if not 18-49. They want to establish brand awareness and brand loyalty with YOUNGER demos. Awareness and loyalty are out of play with 45+ and 50+ listeners. It's hard to make a buck living on clients like Catholic cemetries, assisted living and orthopedic footwear. Buick already has the 45+ locked up. Buick wants the Toyota, Honda and Nissan buyers, most of whom can be found listening to Star, Kiss, WJYE and 97 Rock.

What we're learning right now, is that Entercom pulled the plug on KB way too soon, that there was real potential in a personality oldies format on the AM band, and a Toronto station is now exploiting a big chunk of it (not that it does them much good, since I'm sure they make no sales effort outside the GTA).

KB was, from the get-go, toxic. It defied generally accepted principles of a well-programmed radio station. From day one, it was fighting a battle on half a leg and with one arm tied behind its back. A radio station cannot succeed by relying on a 30 year old reputation. CHWO-AM really isn't attracting "a big chunk" at all, especially when the numbers are broken down. In fact, it's barely more than a blip. Would the numbers be more substantial on WECK? More than likely. Still, who'd BUY advertising on WECK? WBEN's sales staff is extremely proficient at "boxing out" and "out pricing" competing stations in the 45+ demo, e.g., "there's no need to buy a 5 share on WECK for X amount of dollars when WBEN delivers a 15 share far more efficiently."

Since the current KB format is on the road to nowhere, seems to me Entercom has two choices for KB. Either move back to personality oldies, do it right, and get a 3 or 4 share in Buffalo, or (now doable under the FCC's new facilities change rules) move it lock, stock and transmitter towers to Rochester and take on a vulnerable WHAM with a serious local news/talker, and grab a 6 or 7 share in an equivalent and still growing market. Either way they protect WBEN's franchise while making the most economically of that blowtorch signal.

Key phrase, "do it right."

You really want another 50 in Rochester, don't you Bob. ;) (Sigh...)

It's a nice dream, but it's not gonna happen. Sources within Entercom Buffalo have said the Field faction is quite pleased with KB's progressive talk format because, even with paltry numbers, it complements WBEN and strangles any competitors' attempts to make in-roads on WBEN's talk franchise.

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The issue is not if WECK should switch. The issue is if you'll ever get Mr. Silver to admit he made a mistake in switching it in the first place. The whole thought behind the switch was that they could take those clients who wanted to be on WYRK and couldn't afford it and put them on WECK. They also assumed that they could take the lowest rated spots from WYRK and shift them to WECK. After all country music is all the same....right??

The $1 million a year figure WECK was billing is correct, but it can't be even close to that now. However, I know that they have strong armed the sales people into putting whatever they can on the station. If they don't make their WECK budget, they lose a percentage of their commission on their WYRK sales, even if they make that budget! Nice huh! So they may just lower the WYRK rates just to put something on the books so they can get paid.
 
The $1 million a year figure WECK was billing is correct, but it can't be even close to that now. However, I know that they have strong armed the sales people into putting whatever they can on the station. If they don't make their WECK budget, they lose a percentage of their commission on their WYRK sales, even if they make that budget! Nice huh! So they may just lower the WYRK rates just to put something on the books so they can get paid.

Taken at your word, this is another brilliant management strategy. Just one more reason radio, as a business, is in the condition it's in.

Brilliant! [sarcasm filter off]
 
Since the current KB format is on the road to nowhere, seems to me Entercom has two choices for KB. Either move back to personality oldies, do it right, and get a 3 or 4 share in Buffalo

Who says? WROC just got a 1.2 in the latest ratings with progressive talk on a really terrible signal and zero promotion. WHTK with a better 5kw signal only got a 1.3 with mostly sports/guy talk. Now that WHLD has dropped Air America, KB should do better. I do miss the Oldies, but they should find their niche. Like all AM turnkey stations, they'd do better with a local morning show, though that probably will never happen.

WECK should definitely go back to Nostalgia/Oldies, with more emphasis on aging baby boomers.


(now doable under the FCC's new facilities change rules) move it lock, stock and transmitter towers to Rochester and take on a vulnerable WHAM with a serious local news/talker, and grab a 6 or 7 share in an equivalent and still growing market.

This is just not going to happen.
 
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