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WHWH 1350 has gone dark

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Yesterday at midnight, Neal flipped the switch off for WHWH 1350. It went off in the middle of a spot after the top of the hour, with nothing fancy, not even an announcement. What's going to happen with its towers?<P ID="signature">______________
17-year-old radio geek
Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
AIM: KewlDude471
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> Yesterday at midnight, Neal flipped the switch off for WHWH
> 1350. It went off in the middle of a spot after the top of
> the hour, with nothing fancy, not even an announcement.
> What's going to happen with its towers?

Nothing yet. Nassau, along with many other owners of expanded-band AMs, recently filed a petition with the FCC asking the Commission to revisit its X-band rules to allow stations like WHWH to return to the air and be sold to small owners. If the petition is granted, WHWH could still come back, and until the FCC rules on it, Nassau would be crazy to do anything to the site. No way you could build six towers in that neighborhood from scratch now.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Yesterday at midnight, Neal flipped the switch off for
> WHWH
> > 1350. It went off in the middle of a spot after the top
> of
> > the hour, with nothing fancy, not even an announcement.
> > What's going to happen with its towers?
>
> Nothing yet. Nassau, along with many other owners of
> expanded-band AMs, recently filed a petition with the FCC
> asking the Commission to revisit its X-band rules to allow
> stations like WHWH to return to the air and be sold to small
> owners. If the petition is granted, WHWH could still come
> back, and until the FCC rules on it, Nassau would be crazy
> to do anything to the site. No way you could build six
> towers in that neighborhood from scratch now.
>

While I am not happy that some broadcasters used the
expanded-band situation to create a new radio station
they could sell, I do hope that the frequencies like
1350 kHz in Princeton don't go dark forever. What an
awful thing it was for the 1680-kHz frequency to be
taken away from the Princton area and converted into
a Philadelphia foreign-language station. It has happened
all over New Jersey and the situation needs to be
reversed to restore the broadcast industry to the
most populated areas of the state.
 
Hey Scott,

My AMSTNS database viewer lists WHWH as being owned by Multicultural Radio.....
Wonder when Nassau sold 'em to Arthur Liu? I can remember hearind them in RI at night growing up after WINY went off the air. On a trip down to Philly a few yrs ago, I remember hearing former WEVD overnight guy Danny Stiles on the air at
WHWH.


Dave Gardiner

WVCH 740/WNWR 1540
 
> While I am not happy that some broadcasters used the
> expanded-band situation to create a new radio station
> they could sell, I do hope that the frequencies like
> 1350 kHz in Princeton don't go dark forever. What an
> awful thing it was for the 1680-kHz frequency to be
> taken away from the Princton area and converted into
> a Philadelphia foreign-language station. It has happened
> all over New Jersey and the situation needs to be
> reversed to restore the broadcast industry to the
> most populated areas of the state.

One idea some owners have done is to file applications for a *new* station that just happens to have the same technical parameters as a station that was scheduled to be taken dark after getting an ex-band allocation. Not sure if the FCC has approved any.
 
It was Nassau that Filed for the expanded band station,and Built it.
The demise of WHWH was set in motion whenm the FCC granted Nassau the
License for WTTM.
Do not Blame Arthur Liu for the demise of WHWH.

In order for Nassau to sell the expanded band station WTTM to MRBI
they also had to sell it the sister station WHWH.
A restriction on the licenses requires one of the stations to go dark.
WTTM did not move down south "to be taken away from the Princton area and converted into a Philadelphia foreign-language station."
WTTM was moved south Because the FCC determined that it was too close
spaced to 1660 WWRU especially If both stations Run IBOC.
No matter what the reasons are. WTTM Had no choice but to move closer
to the Philly area. There were certain parameters that had to be met.
The City of Lindenwold was the Closest to match Princeton.
Now as to why WHWH went dark Yesterday instead of in June.
From what I have been told the FCC Database has the wrong date.
The WHWH license expired 4/6/06 at midnight.
and they are waiting for the FCC to make a ruling on a petition
to see if they will grant an STA to extend the station to Either June or a Year from now. If this is granted WHWH will return to the air.
If not WHWH will remain dark.



> > While I am not happy that some broadcasters used the
> > expanded-band situation to create a new radio station
> > they could sell, I do hope that the frequencies like
> > 1350 kHz in Princeton don't go dark forever. What an
> > awful thing it was for the 1680-kHz frequency to be
> > taken away from the Princton area and converted into
> > a Philadelphia foreign-language station. It has happened
> > all over New Jersey and the situation needs to be
> > reversed to restore the broadcast industry to the
> > most populated areas of the state.


To the Below question.. Yes they Have...


> One idea some owners have done is to file applications for a
> *new* station that just happens to have the same technical
> parameters as a station that was scheduled to be taken dark
> after getting an ex-band allocation. Not sure if the FCC
> has approved any.
>
 
Nassau Does not own WHWH.... MRBI Owns WHWH
as for the Towers
Nassau sold the land and towers to Pinical,now Global.
The towers are leased.
In todays radio market seems weird that you spend Megabucks to Buy a station
Yet you downt own the land or the Towers your station operates from. In the case of these 2 AM stations. The towers are the Antennas. So you Dont Even own the Antenna System. What a dumb move. Tax Wise I guess its smart.. take the Lease as a business expense,and write it off.

> > Yesterday at midnight, Neal flipped the switch off for
> WHWH
> > 1350. It went off in the middle of a spot after the top
> of
> > the hour, with nothing fancy, not even an announcement.
> > What's going to happen with its towers?
>
> Nothing yet. Nassau, along with many other owners of
> expanded-band AMs, recently filed a petition with the FCC
> asking the Commission to revisit its X-band rules to allow
> stations like WHWH to return to the air and be sold to small
> owners. If the petition is granted, WHWH could still come
> back, and until the FCC rules on it, Nassau would be crazy
> to do anything to the site. No way you could build six
> towers in that neighborhood from scratch now.
>
 
WHWH operated with four towers, not six, in a horizontal array, there are four towers on the property.
 
whwh operated 4 towers day
with the 4 outside towers in a square
at night it operated 4 different towers with an in-line array
there are 6 towers on the site not 4

> WHWH operated with four towers, not six, in a horizontal
> array, there are four towers on the property.
>
 
It would be a disgrace if MRBI was able to put 1350 back on the air.
Nassau applied for the X-Band allocation knowing full well the eventual outcome of this.
The idea was to clean up the clutter on the AM band.
Now that it's done, anyone should be able to apply to the FCC, as if this was a new facility. MRBI or Nassau should not receive any special treatment or preference here.
It's been said (by NERW) that perhaps if the license was restored, it could be sold to a "small broadcast owner". Why should MRBI or Nassau have anything to sell? Maybe the FCC could allow the restoration of this facility...but restrict the licencees to "small broadcasters" and allow only a "small broadcaster" to apply for and operate the facility. It might not be economically feasable in this day and age...but whatever the outcome, I don't think Nassau or MRBI should not be the beneficiary of anything that happens to 1350, unless they go through the full, competitive licensing process...as if it's a new facility.



> It was Nassau that Filed for the expanded band station,and
> Built it.
> The demise of WHWH was set in motion whenm the FCC granted
> Nassau the
> License for WTTM.
> Do not Blame Arthur Liu for the demise of WHWH.
>
> In order for Nassau to sell the expanded band station WTTM
> to MRBI
> they also had to sell it the sister station WHWH.
> A restriction on the licenses requires one of the stations
> to go dark.
> WTTM did not move down south "to be taken away from the
> Princton area and converted into a Philadelphia
> foreign-language station."
> WTTM was moved south Because the FCC determined that it was
> too close
> spaced to 1660 WWRU especially If both stations Run IBOC.
> No matter what the reasons are. WTTM Had no choice but to
> move closer
> to the Philly area. There were certain parameters that had
> to be met.
> The City of Lindenwold was the Closest to match Princeton.
> Now as to why WHWH went dark Yesterday instead of in June.
> From what I have been told the FCC Database has the wrong
> date.
> The WHWH license expired 4/6/06 at midnight.
> and they are waiting for the FCC to make a ruling on a
> petition
> to see if they will grant an STA to extend the station to
> Either June or a Year from now. If this is granted WHWH will
> return to the air.
> If not WHWH will remain dark.
 
I did not say anything about Arthur Liu, much less
"blame" him for anything. Why do you bring him up
in the context of my comments?

You wrote, "WTTM Had no choice but to move closer
to the Philly area." Did WTTM also have no choice
but to build studios IN Philadelphia? Did they have
no choice but to broadcast in a foreign language
most people in southern New Jersey don't understand?


> It was Nassau that Filed for the expanded band station,and
> Built it.
> The demise of WHWH was set in motion whenm the FCC granted
> Nassau the
> License for WTTM.
> Do not Blame Arthur Liu for the demise of WHWH.
>
> In order for Nassau to sell the expanded band station WTTM
> to MRBI
> they also had to sell it the sister station WHWH.
> A restriction on the licenses requires one of the stations
> to go dark.
> WTTM did not move down south "to be taken away from the
> Princton area and converted into a Philadelphia
> foreign-language station."
> WTTM was moved south Because the FCC determined that it was
> too close
> spaced to 1660 WWRU especially If both stations Run IBOC.
> No matter what the reasons are. WTTM Had no choice but to
> move closer
> to the Philly area. There were certain parameters that had
> to be met.
> The City of Lindenwold was the Closest to match Princeton.
> Now as to why WHWH went dark Yesterday instead of in June.
> From what I have been told the FCC Database has the wrong
> date.
> The WHWH license expired 4/6/06 at midnight.
> and they are waiting for the FCC to make a ruling on a
> petition
> to see if they will grant an STA to extend the station to
> Either June or a Year from now. If this is granted WHWH will
> return to the air.
> If not WHWH will remain dark.
>
>
>
> > > While I am not happy that some broadcasters used the
> > > expanded-band situation to create a new radio station
> > > they could sell, I do hope that the frequencies like
> > > 1350 kHz in Princeton don't go dark forever. What an
> > > awful thing it was for the 1680-kHz frequency to be
> > > taken away from the Princton area and converted into
> > > a Philadelphia foreign-language station. It has happened
>
> > > all over New Jersey and the situation needs to be
> > > reversed to restore the broadcast industry to the
> > > most populated areas of the state.
>
>
> To the Below question.. Yes they Have...
>
>
> > One idea some owners have done is to file applications for
> a
> > *new* station that just happens to have the same technical
>
> > parameters as a station that was scheduled to be taken
> dark
> > after getting an ex-band allocation. Not sure if the FCC
> > has approved any.
> >
>
 
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