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Why Aren't There Any Christian Oldies Stations? (revisited)

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Retro

When I originally asked this question a while ago, it was mentioned that a lot of CCM was out of print. I have signed up for CrosswalkPlus service and they have an oldies stream, where they are playing a real lot of stuff that is out of print.

So in asking the question again, wouldn't this format be viable, but especially in a market such as Nashville where it is a Christian music Mecca?

Just wondering.

Retro
 
I know Nashville is the CCM capital of the world, but other than the fact Nashville has two reporting Christian CHR stations, it's not the best market for Christian Radio. It might make a good digitial subchannel for WAYM, but you'd probably be more likely to hear Christian Oldies on the radio in Oklahoma or Cincinnati before you'd hear it on the radio in Nahsville.
 
Retro said:
Why would Cincinnati be a good CCM Oldies market?
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Cincinnati has the largest percentage of late assimilating Anglo Christian fundamentalists between the ages of 45 and 54 east of the Rockies. Late assimilating means those who accepted Christ after the age of 18 and are currently attending a worship service with a contemporary music component at least three Sundays per month.
 
I believe that a lot of people who were Christian teens in the 70's and 80's that should have known about CCM or Christian rock didn't know because of how it was opposed by churches and radio stations in their area. Because of that many of them either never heard about it or were opposed to it themselves. CCM radio was mainly in larger cities or towns with Christian colleges that accepted it. I discovered CCM during a short time living in Memphis. Once I left there most of my CCM listening was from albums and weak stations from Memphis, or when I made a trip into other areas with a CCM station.

It was really odd in some cases how some of my friends who were Christians would listen to almost anything in secular music but if they had heard of CCM thought it was wrong because they were taught in church that it was a bad thing.

It wasn't until the last 5 to 10 years when satellite networks like K-LOVE and WAY-FM started coming into areas like mine where CCM radio had been shut out that CCM has started to be accepted. Because of that most people only know about CCM from the 90's to now, even among people who should have known about it in the 70's and 80's. Even now, Southern Gospel still dominates in a lot of churches in my area, so it's still an uphill battle some places for CCM to be accepted, old or new.
 
Clemwriter said:
Retro said:
Why would Cincinnati be a good CCM Oldies market?
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Cincinnati has the largest percentage of late assimilating Anglo Christian fundamentalists between the ages of 45 and 54 east of the Rockies. Late assimilating means those who accepted Christ after the age of 18 and are currently attending a worship service with a contemporary music component at least three Sundays per month.
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Anglo Christian Fundamentalist. Now, that is a new one. I can add that one to all the other labels I have discovered in the Christianity circles like King James Only, Black Gospel, Christian Democrat, Conservative Christian, Christian Identity, Black Hebrews, Interational Church of Christ Disciples , WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant), A.M.E. (African Methodist Episcopal) Church and the list goes on and on. There is no longer a such thing as being a follower of the true word of scripture. Now, man says you have to look a certain way, worship in a particular location, listen to a certain style of music, speak in tongues, etc. No wonder the scriptures keeps mentioning that the road to Heaven is narrow and only a few are chosen. Man has tremendously distorted the truth and most people are following man instead of seeking scripture and the author of the scriptures. This is ridiculous.
 
Clemwriter said:
Retro said:
Why would Cincinnati be a good CCM Oldies market?
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Cincinnati has the largest percentage of late assimilating Anglo Christian fundamentalists between the ages of 45 and 54 east of the Rockies. Late assimilating means those who accepted Christ after the age of 18 and are currently attending a worship service with a contemporary music component at least three Sundays per month.
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It would appear Clemwriter's been holding back on us....! :)

First, I'd like to ask where to find these kinds of things.

Second, I'd like to question the conclusion -- if they've come to Christ late and are now attending contemporary services, why would they be good candidates for oldies?
 
You understand the proprietary nature of such research. This group was the 70s Jesus Movement. Their music is Larry Norman and Honeytree not George Beverly Shea.
 
The difference between doing secular oldies and Christian oldies is teh fact that, especially before things got as fragmented as they are today, you almost couldn't escape a top 40 hit if you wanted to. On the othr hand, someone had to seek out a "Jesus rock" album, and publicity was almost entirely word of mouth. So Christian Oldies would be almost completely unfamiliar to a current audience, even 45-54.

Radioover, any number of groups claim to have a copyright on the term "Christian", and also claim to be folowing "the true word" to the exclusion of everyone else, who, presumably, is not.
 
gr8oldies said:
Christian Oldies would be almost completely unfamiliar to a current audience
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You're a wise man gr8oldies. Any connection the research cited had to radio was empirical at best.
 
Question; Where is there a "traditional Christian oldies" station and streaming?

Something for soneone who is 57 years old?

Blackwood Bros., JD Sumner, Imperials. Just like secular oldies its all gone - or is it?
 
"Something for soneone who is 57 years old? Blackwood Bros., JD Sumner, Imperials. Just like secular oldies its all gone - or is it?"

Wow! That is stereotyping 57 year old people. Most people the age you mentioned don't like the music you mentioned. They like Switchfoot, Steven Curtis Chapman, Michael W. Smith and Chris Tomlin. You have some older rockers that gave up secular music for Christian. Why is that most think older people like older music or "blah" music? If that were true,there would be oldie Christian stations all over the place. It's the younger people who seem to want to hear the classic music to see the connection it has with the newer music.
 
radio4Him said:
Why is that most think older people like older music or "blah" music?
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I don't know. My grandmother, a late-comer to country who died in her mid-eighties, loved a constant flow of new music from the artists she liked and actually got somewhat angry if they'd sing lots of ballads on the television programs they appeared on.
 
Please note; I'm NOT arguing with any of you, but I seem to have a different perspective.

You said; Why is that most think older people like older music or "blah" music?.

First, whats "older?" There is a much different view of music from someone who is 57 and someone who is 77.

I don't know, but I have 3 years of passive and only observational research on over 300 people. I'm a nursing home chaplain in a 100 bed facility. From 1973-1985 I owned 4 radio stations (sold them in 1985). Presently I have a computer with otsdj and over ten thousand songs from 1940-1985. This includes 2000 "religious music."

I play ALOT of music (about 4 hours a week) both religioius and secular, to these 75+ year olds. Sometimes during lunch, sometimes at 3pm in the afternoon.

They won't even listen to "noise" - what THEY define as almost anything FAST or new. Except for big band music, and old hymns they say, "Turn that SH%$ OFF!"

They want OLD songs (40's, 50's music). They LOVE old hymns.

Nobody here LIKES ANY MUSIC that they hear on the radio (it's mostly artists you name). This is an OLDER demographic, but "Neutralobserver" - my research and yours certainly disagree.
 
tjthedj said:
...but "Neutralobserver" - my research and yours certainly disagree.
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No, not necessarily....mine was nothing more than a one-annecdote annecdotal "study." :)

My only point was that there is not an across-the-board "fact" regarding these things that are matters of individual taste.
 
Agreed.

For "oldies" and "pre-55" music you have Joel Whitburn research (the books). What is there to track Christian music?
 
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