WHY CORPORATE RADIO IS KILLING OLDIES

[JH_Radio]

I'm not sure why anyone would ever BUY a CD in this day and age. Everything is online.

Cd's have uncompressed audio is one reason why you'd by a CD. I understand in a car with all of the background noise its not so easy to tell the difference in a lossy vs. lossless format. To be fair, mp3's at 320 sound pretty damn good. but uncompressed audio is better.

 

[willdav713]

I'm not sure why anyone would ever BUY a CD in this day and age. Everything is online.

Cd's have uncompressed audio is one reason why you'd by a CD. I understand in a car with all of the background noise its not so easy to tell the difference in a lossy vs. lossless format. To be fair, mp3's at 320 sound pretty damn good. but uncompressed audio is better.

I would buy vinyl then record it onto cassette, a high quality cro2 or metal tape on a decent deck. TDK HX-S, or MA-X sounds great.

 

[JH_Radio]

i love vinyl. it has a different sound than a CD. i can't say I've ever used mettle cassettes. would a Denon DN-770R record well on a metel cassette? how about an Optimus SCT-56? these are the two cassette decks I own. if I were recording on a cassette from Vinyl, it'd be from the Denon with a Technics SL-1300 TURNTABLE with an Ortofon Cartridge

 

[TheFonz]

i love vinyl. it has a different sound than a CD.

I hear this from a lot of people. I grew up with vinyl, but I can't understand how you can get by the static "clicks and pops". Through the years I've tried every possible record cleaning product and static remover. Give me CDs anytime.

 

[JH_Radio]

NM vinyl is always prefered. you could spend the time to remove all those clicks and pops, however first it takes time and second you take away from the music.

 

[howardm]

Spin Clean is great for cleaning very dirty vinyl, but the final step would be to use the best product available to get the best sound, and that is the Last line of record cleaners, preservatives, and stylus treatments. Try them and you will agree. There is one thing vinyl can not compensate for, and that is the power of CD's, when dubbing vinyl, especially 33RPM, you have to increase the input to your tape deck or CD recorder to keep volume even, but there are some poorly mastered CD's too, with some very compressed sound.

 

[TheFonz]

NM vinyl is always prefered.

Of course. But I'm not talking about damaged vinyl. Even NM vinyl has static clicks and pops.

 

[oldies76]

Of course. But I'm not talking about damaged vinyl. Even NM vinyl has static clicks and pops.

The only gripe I have about vinyl are the 45's from the 60's and early 70's. The treble highs seem to distort easily on most record players. I know there are some differences in types of vinyl 45's, from the harder surfaces from the late 60's to the flexibles and better sounding ones from the 80's.

But as a whole, I prefer vinyl, since the sound quality is crisper and purer (despite the occasional pop or tick). CD's were introduced only for convenience sake and digital sound.

BTW, the louder single pops are usually because there's some debris struck on the top of the groove itself, which can be lightly scraped off with a fingernail. Usually those are on records that have sat around for years without being played. As for the constant static sound, that's usually from a poor pressing or a heavy needle / cartridge just wearing out the inner groove previously. Well taken care of records will last many, many decades.

 

[howardm]

A wood round toothpick has cleared many a pop caused by debris in grove, it is softer than the vinyl and will not harm it. Humidity causes the adhesion of dust & debris on vinyl. When vinyl became softer (cheaper) in the 80's, it was disgusting to pull out a new sealed record and hear the pops & tick. Sound Guard, Discwasher, Pickering RC4 record clnrs have all fallen by the wayside because Last is a great cleaner & they have a great preservative too. Also their stylus treatment is a lubricant. However their pads are thin & real soiled records are better cleaned by a Spin Clean water suspension system & then use Last as a final treatment.
I agree somewhat on 45's, they can sound shrill, yrs ago their was an Owl equalizer to iron that out.
Keep them spinning.

 

[TheFonz]

Even NM vinyl has static clicks and pops.

I should have said: even MINT vinyl, played for the first time, has static clicks and pops.

 

[JH_Radio]

Now at this point you're getting picky.
I mean you can't get much better than a first play, right?
Unless you are useing crappy equipment (not sayin you are...)

 

[TheFonz]

Now at this point you're getting picky.
I mean you can't get much better than a first play, right?
Unless you are useing crappy equipment (not sayin you are...)

What I'm saying is that with vinyl, even the first play has static pops and clicks. So you CAN do better................buy the CD version.

 

[unitron]

Even NM vinyl has static clicks and pops.

I should have said: even MINT vinyl, played for the first time, has static clicks and pops.

Even mint vinyl has to be cleaned properly first and any static charge dissipated.

 

[TheFonz]

Even mint vinyl has to be cleaned properly first and any static charge dissipated.

How is that done? I have to admit that I haven't played mint vinyl in over 20 years, but anything I tried back then just didn't work.

 

[Tom Wells]

I mixed a little silicone anti-static spray into isopropyl alcohol and it always cured new disc static.
I know there are those who shun rubbing alcohol for record cleaning, but I've never had it damage a record.
The 70% has enough water to dissolve water soluble stuff, and the alcohol loosens everything else.
I sweep/brush clean the record on the turntable with a very-short and stiff camel's hair brush.
Then I polish as if I were celaning mirror.
If I really want to clean things up, I digitize a recording and use the clip/pop eliminator in Nero audio software.

 

[howardm]

I read in collector magazines that alcohol takes away the natural lubricants in vinyl. But I admit Last cleaners & preservatives, which also bring out shine, are quite expensive, but they are so concentrated that they go far. Yes, Duane Eddy's Road Trip on vinyl & a record I bought in the 80's popped, and I regret not cleaning at once.

 

[TheFonz]

If I really want to clean things up, I digitize a recording and use the clip/pop eliminator in Nero audio software.

But doesn't this basically make it a CD, which you wanted to avoid in the first place by buying vinyl?

 

[Tom Wells]

If I really want to clean things up, I digitize a recording and use the clip/pop eliminator in Nero audio software.

But doesn't this basically make it a CD, which you wanted to avoid in the first place by buying vinyl?

Not at all. I have vinyl I have collected for 50 years, and it's often in need of restoration and cleaning.
When I'm done, it sounds a lot better than a simple playing of a record.
You can usually tell that it still has the desirable characteristics of the sound of music on vinyl.
I put off doing this until I was satisfied with the progress of "mp_" technology.
If you check the podcasts (in my tag line) you'll hear a lot of such examples.

 

[oldies76]

What I'm saying is that with vinyl, even the first play has static pops and clicks.

On some yes, but not all. Bought "Axel F" in 1985 on a mint 45 (Tower Records probably) and it sounded incredible, like CD quality! Great sound and maybe one or two of the slightest tick sound you could make out. Probably one of the best 45's I've ever played in terms of sound quality from vinyl.

 

[Tom Wells]

Best 45 I ever heard (bought) was a 45 of Rock Lobster/Planet Claire by the B 52s in Korea about 1992.
It was a Japanese pressing and is as noiseless today as it was new. All the other Japanese pressing LPs I bought
in Korea were similarly amazing, and I wonder if they were half-speed cut because of the insanely high
definition in the high frequency info.