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Why do religious stations fail in ENC?

Why does religious format fail in ENC?

Or to be more specific, here in Wilson?

I wanted to stop and think about that for a bit, and then share some thoughts on it. Not to imply that I have the “gospel” answer, but to at least take some serious stab at it to see why there are (or were, depending on the time) so many religious radio stations in ENC, especially in Wilson, and why none of them are having any real success.

And I also realize that there are a ton of reasons why it is not working, and from a different eye one could validate a number of reasons. To be sure, many have talked about why AM stations have suffered so much, another can equally validate the format, or lack of decent equipment, or any number of things. But the question still remains, why do religious radio stations seem to fail in ENC, especially in Wilson?

To this date, there are four “religious” radio stations in Wilson, three of those are AM stations one is a LPFM station. At this very moment, one is currently up for sale, so technically there are three radio stations, but for sake of argument, let’s include WGTM.

I would love to hear other opinions as to why a city like Wilson can have four religious format radio stations, but collectively they all fail to make any impact on the city they serve. So I will start it out by giving my humble opinion, knowing that of all the people that make posts here, I am likely the least.

But I wanted to speak from a few perspectives. One, that I am a Christian, so this is not about “bashing” religious stations. Two, I have a degree in RTV from Western Carolina U, so I have an academic background. Three, I have worked for several radio stations since my graduation, which implies that I have some level of experience. And four, I know Wilson pretty well, so I have a decent idea of the community.

If somebody asked me why four radio stations in one town aren’t worth a hill of beans, I would first agree with them and give them whatever is behind door number 1. I won’t argue with anybody that collectively none of the radio stations here are worth one secular radio station in Rocky Mount. But why is this so?

There are a lot of ways to go at this, from mechanical issues, professional issues, legal issues, format issues and things like that, but I’d like to narrow it down to just a few factors: selfish management, lack of professionalism and oddly, lack of faith.

To me, and I might be a little over the top, but if you have not one, not two, but FOUR Christian radio stations in your city, it ought to help that city be one of the best in the state…and anybody working for those stations ought to be faith-filled Christians who are there to be a blessing to listeners all over the area. I mean think about it, if Christians in general are to be people that share faith, then how much faith ought to be in four radio stations in a single city?

But that’s not the case. And one of the reasons is that all four of these stations operate off selfish motives, and it shows in their management of the station. Management is based on delegation of authority, allowing others to do the job you hired them to do. But too often people who call themselves “managers” or even owners of radio are too busy looking out for number one.

One reason these stations are failing is because those in charge are in it for themselves…and no one else. One key example is WLLY and the late Wallace Bullock. I knew the man, and I say with my heart that he was a good man, and did good work for the community, but he refused to teach his employees how to excel in radio. After he passed a few years ago, one of the employees told me that she asked him to teach her how to run the board, to do logs and cut spots. He always refused, and never even wanted anybody to speak on the air, saying that “DJs were overrated”…yet every commercial on WLLY was by his voice…no one else.

She asked him to teach her, just in case something happens. His answer to her was, and I quote from her, “we’ll cross that bridge when we get there”. When he passed away, the station was left with people who knew almost nothing about radio, and they could have easily have gone under if they had not gotten help from outsiders to teach them how to run a radio station.

WVOT operated the same way, with Pastor MK Smith paying an employee less than minimum wage to save him some money, and often took collections from the church to pay the station’s bills, rather than making the station more like a business than a charity. The LPFM station also seems self servant in that it seems to be a promotional tool for the owner to push his latest gospel CD.

A second reason I think these stations fail is because a lack of professionalism, in that most of the people who run these local stations really don’t know how to “do” radio. It’s almost like having a rich person inherit a business, and he might know just enough to tell people what to do, but not enough to help it prosper. WGTM has (had) the largest range of the stations, but the personnel there had no idea how to help the station, and lacked severely in finding qualified salespeople.

The LPFM station can be criticized as being unprofessional in similar fashion, with many wondering if the “Prophet” is actually advertising or underwriting his programs. Depending on your definition of “underwriting” one may have a different opinion. WVOT also fails in this level of professionalism in that their advertising is near zero, hoping for ministries to support the station when nobody is hitting the streets to make sales. I remember once talking to them about this and they asked if I was willing to write off my commission to the “house”. Are you kidding? Why would I secure a contract and give the station my commission?

WLLY, last I knew of it, had only one salesperson, but oddly enough, he was not allowed to use the gas account to do his sales. One of the co-managers used the gas account to fill up his vehicle and all he really did was drive to the main post office to pick up the mail, and drive to the bank to drop off the checks…that was his job, because he was not qualified to do anything else. But he refused to let the salesperson use the gas card, keeping it for himself.

And I guess all this is supported by a lack of faith in these “religious” stations. Again, as a Christian I am not sitting here to condemn them but to be sure there is a failure for these stations, and it is based on their lack of faith. I am willing to believe that regardless of the economy, the state of radio and all that, that a really Christian radio station can not only work, but flourish where others will fail. But when it does not operate in a Christian way, then it is destined to fail. It’s like one person said here, that these stations fail because they are not good stewards of what they have been given.

One of the primary charges that a Christian station ought to have is to serve the community…no different than a church, or a member of the church. Ask yourself this, how many times has these stations covered the Job Expo, or Business Expo in this town? How many live remotes have they done that DON’T include their own church? When was the last time you saw a station get out into the community and SERVE the people?

Isn’t this the foundation of Christianity, to love one another? Yet these stations are all self serving, expecting the community to support them. When WVOT went off the air awhile back, the general manager mentioned in the article of the newspaper that they were hoping for support from the community…why? If they had treated the station like a business, rather than a handout charity, they would have prospered. It is ironic that some of the worst places to work for a living are religious businesses, because there is a mentality that you ought to work for the lowest wages possible…and even lower if you want to do the “Lord’s work”.

The two co-managers at WLLY make minimum wage and I remember one of them telling me that after the minimum wage went up a few years ago, they had to wait about a month or two before they started getting paid the new wage. These people also work every day, no holidays, no benefits because they work about 6 hours a day…how can that make sense for a CHRISTIAN radio station? Trust me folks, the man that owns WLLY isn’t broke.

I have always questioned the LPFM station here because it just bothers me how a man can have a ministry, a recording studio, a radio station AND a religious supply store… and how many people does he employ? If a man is blessed to have a church, a radio station, recording studio and a religious supply business, he ought to have a good handful of people working for him, providing well needed jobs in the community. But if such a man only has a couple, then there clearly is a problem with him desiring to help anybody. Why would a Christian radio station go automated, and employ NOBODY, when you can employ and teach others how the business work?

There are, to be sure, numerous factors that play into why all four of these stations have virtually failed Wilson, and the funny thing is that if you asked the average person how many stations there were in town, most would be surprised if there was more than two. With these stations being virtually invisible to their own town, it just looks like each station is nothing more than a wishful money tree for these owners, but have turned more into a money pit.

Can AM stations thrive? Can a local station thrive? Can a local religious station thrive…I absolutely believe it can. A radio station that really cares about getting out to the public, providing local perspectives and is willing to care just a bit about the people living in their town can indeed succeed. It’s not totally about the regulations, the equipment and the formats, although they must be a major part. But I think any station has to start first with people…owners and employees that are know radio, rather than just hiring anybody off the street who can work cheap. I said it before and I say it again, I think when the FCC repealed the need to have a radio license back about 96 or 97, it changed how local stations employed people. It went from hiring qualified people to anybody that wants to “be a celebrity”. And thus, you got a profession that has unqualified people.

But it’s not hopeless folks, I am confident that if any of these stations start to realize the potential of serving their town, and stop being so selfish to line their pockets with nickels and dimes, then they can indeed get to the point where they can prosper and make much more than nickels and dimes. The four stations in Wilson really need to take heed of that before there are NO stations in Wilson.

Time’s running out on them.

I know I missed a few factors, I gladly wait for you guys to add on, I bet there is a ton of perspective that you can add.
 
If you count the translators bringing in religious stations licensed to other towns, Wilson has MORE THAN FOUR religious stations. It also looks like you have a blowtorch of a religious FM out of Raleigh that probably "soaks up" some of the audience.

First, a bit of self disclosure: I don't live in ENC. I come and read here with some regularity and sometimes post because there are interesting conversations. Also I have been watching a station in your area that was purchased by some people I like to think I know even though I haven't actually met them face to face. Any comments I make are limited by the fact that I DON'T know your market. Any comments I make are enlightened to some extent that I am not biased because I side with relatives or personal history in the area.

You have a bigger question to deal with that must be considered before you can evaluate the religious broadcasting in your market. Why is there NO station serving Wilson that IS NOT religious format? Zero. Zilch. Nada! If nobody can figure out a way to run at least one "heritage style programming" where they cover local news, local sports, etc then you have to face the question: (no insults intended.) Is this community SO DYSFUNCTIONAL that no one can run any kind of station successfully?

If a religious programming station is the ONLY such station in a market, how big does the market need to be for ONE such station to generate a "critical mass" in revenue (advertising + endorsements)? Let me offer the opinion that a city of 40,000 in a county of 76,000 would be a skinny market for one such operation. It would need a congregation or a small mission minded collection of people standing behind it with subsidies to make it fly.

This is a sensitive subject to include in the conversation, but the topic demands we face it. Census records indicate the racial make-up of your area is about 60/40. I have already said a market of 76,000 is slim in size to generate income for ONE religious station. Depending on how a station handles its programming content, a station in Wilson may actually be choosing between reaching a market size of 46,000 or 30,000 possible listeners. It looks to me like you have maybe 7 or 8 signals dividing up the pie.

I would propose to you that a whistle-clean smart operator would have a rough time running a religions station there if it were the only game in town. If the operators of the existing stations have the kinds of "flaws" that you attribute to them, what chance do any of them have?
 
The problem is that most of the religious leaders of these stations run them as if they are their own church in that churches are usually listed as NON-PROFIT businesses. So therefore they are set-up as such. They cannot be run as standard churches they HAVE to be run as a commercial profit making business. Until the FCC changes the rules this will continue. As to the "faith" that is also part of the problem. Most people are happy to put a few dollars in the plate on Sunday morning to help the church out, but they don't want to for a traditionally profit making business such as a radio station. Bad management is another factor. If the owner/GM thinks that he and only he DO EVERYTHING that is a sure sign that something is not right in the money department.

Look at the people who run the churches, what they drive, where they live etc. it's nothing more than pure greed. Greed is also destroying other stations as well not just religious stations. I never could understand why a city the size of Wilson needed four religious stations in the first place and as Rodeo Cowboy pints out that the city/county just realistically doesn't have the size to support this many religious stations let alone one. With a mostly black population that could only be one type of religious station and that is Gospel. There are other "types" of religious stations. Christian, for one would be more for if you will the "white" population, then there are other religious groups Catholics, Baptists, etc. who could have their own formatted stations. Religious talk would be a good format. But to have all four the same or similar format this makes it hard for the populace to make choices so they will turn to somewhere else. When you have only one pie and so many to feed there aren't enough ways to cut the pie to please everyone ultimately someone has to end up without a slice. This is the same for every radio market. But more so for this area since the area is small and there are so many stations to choose from.

If you feel so passionate about these stations and market and have the cash to burn, buy one of them and make it work if you have a better plan than they do it will go. If not, you too will fail as they are. It's just the nature of this area. The people in the communities complain about the local media outlets, but then they don't SUPPORT the local media enough to be profitable to the station owners. Take a look at the Top 5 stations in the Rocky Mount-Wilson market:

Station Format Owner Fall 07 Spr 08Fall 08Spr 09
WFXC-FM Urban AC Radio One 10.3 9.0 8.8 8.3 <--Raleigh market station
WRSV-FM Urban North Star 7.9 5.7 5.4 7.5 <--Rocky Mount station
WPWZ-FM Urban First Media 6.7 8.6 7.5 6.1 <--Rocky Mount station
WQDR-FM Country Curtis 5.9 4.5 5.4 5.7 <--Raleigh Market
WRAL-FM AC Capitol 4.3 5.7 4.6 5.3 <--Raleigh market

THREE of the Top 5 stations aren't even IN the market that is being rated so this shows me that the community doesn't support the local stations as it should be. ALL the local stations should be in the Top 5 or Top 10 consistently, but aren't. Only one is owned by a local party, WRSV. This clearly shows that there really aren't any local owners who have a hand in the market so how can they know what is right for THIS market? However the distant stations (Raleigh market) MUST be doing something right since they are more prevalent in a market that they are NOT in nor care to really serve.

Yes, some of the problems of the Wilson stations are technical in nature and it DOES require quite a bit of money to fix those technical issues, but many of the religious owners can't or don't want to spend the necessary money to make them work. They see it as a liability to their own back pocket. They are satisfied as long as there is a signal going out and they THINK that the "faith" of the listeners will come in and "save the day" for them, but they don't realize that it is the crappy sound quality and other technical issues that turns the listener off. Same goes for the professionalism of the air staff. People will tune away when they hear something that sounds unprofessional. Believe it or not the listener does know and can tell if something doesn't sound right. They may not know all the inside details as we radio people do, but they can tell when something sounds crappy and unprofessional.
 
Nature abhors a vacuum. Over the years, as the Wilson stations failed to meet the expectations of listeners and advertisers, the stations in the outlying areas smelled blood moved in to fill the void. I think that about covers it.
 
The religious stations that are failing are probably failing for many reasons that have been covered before.
Pride of the ownership in wanting to do their favorite format or "what they know" their way and not being willing to adapt.
Serving their wants and not reaching out like they should, or not finding people to reach out for them.
Not knowing their audience. Well not knowing the potential listeners, most of them are probably looking at themselves as "the audience" since it's all geared to their tastes.
Running it as a hobby instead of a business.
Only looking at getting through today and having no vision for the future.
Lots of problems that plague most any business, not just the gospel radio stations in Wilson....
 
Wilson should not have 4! It's overkill. Sad that no one wakes up and does local. WGTM somehow shows up on ratings but the demos must be oldies. The other am's should be sold to qualified broadcasters as WGTM. AM is NOT DEAD - except in Wilson.
 
Several things:

1. Sportsword, I think this is the longest single post I've ever seen on this board--and I've been hanging around awhile! Anytime I try to write something lengthy it clogs up and kicks out (regardless of the computer I'm using), so you have my admiration!

2. Double J, the FCC has no such rule. There are plenty of non-profits that run commercial stations. See the thread in North Florida for a recent discussion on one such animal: WRUF-FM/AM at the U. of Florida.

3. At the most basic level, the biggest problem with the 4 Black Gospel/Religious stations in Wilson is that there are 4 of them instead of one. Chances are that a city of 40,000 in a county of 76,000 with 40 percent African-American population would be able to support one Black Gospel/Religious station very nicely.

For conversation's sake, let's say that there is a pool of $400,000 in Wilson (from a total pool of maybe $2 million a year in "radio money" in the county) that would normally go to this format--whether through block time sales, ad sales or individual contributions. If there was just one station in the format running at an operating budget of $20,000 a month, that's $240,000 in annual expenses, leaving a tidy margin of $160,000. In such a case, the owner-operator clergyman could live on $80K a year and bank the other $80K in the station's R&R Account (non-profit talk for renovation & replacement, IIRC--or something akin to it).

But if you split that $400K four ways--a hundred grand apiece--just 8 grand a month in income--everybody starves. There's no money to pay any decent help, there's no money for R&R, there's no money for the O&O clergyman and his family to live on......... or the clergyman takes half of it and lets the station disintegrate into a pile of rust and dust until it finally falls apart. Times four.

And that sounds like what happened with The Wilson Four.

Ya think?
 
About WUBN...

The pastor's 'church' is bankrupt. Look it up on Google.
His home is in foreclosure.
The 'church' no longer has any land to build on. It was sold to a funeral home.
And according to federal records, WUBN was built with a LOT of credit card debt.

And the station itself... well 106.9 is silent today. (Dark??)

He's not been a very good steward of his money - nor his flock's.
 
Where can I view Federal records that show the "credit card debt mess" if I can call it that.

I doesn't look like the daily ebb and flow of life for the city of Wilson and the county will be significantly affected by the presence or absence of this one radio signal. Looking at the history of this operation could be beneficial for other station operators and future station operators.

The regulations for LPFM stations do not really embrace the "sale" of such a station and it looks like this one just barely meets what I remember is a three year ownership requirement before the FCC will entertain an application for transfer to another licensee.

One of the posts in this thread questioned the stewardship of the pastor in the handling of the church and this station. If indeed the "whole operation" has financial difficulty good advice may be to forfeit the broadcast license and be about nursing the church back to health. Then again, maybe the church is not in as bad a financial health as some of the reports. Time will tell.
 
If you google ""miracle christian international" bankruptcy" you will see a commercial site that will give you info for a price. I don't recommend it. The paperwork that I saw was given to me over a year ago - for free - by a site that has closed. This info is also at the local Bankruptcy Court.

The legal notices for the personal foreclosure and church bankruptcy were also printed in the Wilson Daily Times.
 
WUBN Church Foreclosure from The Daily Times:
http://wilsontimes.com/legals/publicnotices/Mon, Mar 2, 2009/FO3E83~1.HTM

From The FCC WUBN 'Silent' Application:
"DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND IT'S CONTROL, WUBN-LP HAS LOST IT'S LICENSED ANTENNA LEASE SPACE( 33-44-8.00, 77-53-2.00 )AND WAS FORCED TO REMOVE IT'S ANTENNA AND EQUIPMENT FROM LEASED PROPERTY. THE MANAGEMENT OF WUBN-LP HAS APPLIED TO EMBARQ FOR NEW TOWER SPACE LOCATED ON AIRPORT BLVD. IN WILSON NC AT ( 35-45-34.3, 77-57-22.1 ).
UNTIL EMBARQ PROCESS THE APPLICATION, WUBN-LP WOULD LIKE SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO BROADCAST FROM IT'S STUDIO LOCATION ( 35-45-32.9, 77-57-11.9 ). WHEN EMBARQ APPROVES WUBN-LP'S APPLICATION FOR TOWER SPACE, WUBN-LP WILL FILE FORM 318, REQUESTING A PERMANENT CHANGE IN LOCATION OF IT'S LICENSED FACILITIES."
 
WUBN is back on 106.9 with 100watts at 40ft from a mast behind the studio on Airport Rd. I didn't see where this was approved by the FCC, but they may have been given the notice Friday afternoon after the FCC database updated.

The Embarq tower is on the ground, so I don't see that as a future option.

This is about as close to pirate radio as a licensed broadcaster can get!
 
Some very good posts here folks..we got some smart cookies on this board.I have nothing to add just enjoy reading some very intelligent points of view..

Allen
 
redneckriviera said:
2. Double J, the FCC has no such rule. There are plenty of non-profits that run commercial stations. See the thread in North Florida for a recent discussion on one such animal: WRUF-FM/AM at the U. of Florida.

What I was referring to is that the FCC will see it (the church stations in Wilson) as a commercial business and not a non-profit as the "church" sees it. Granted stations on the FM band from 88.1-91.9 are given this area of the dial for non-profit, or educational stations. AM does not have such a designation. This is where I say that until the FCC changes the rules any station on the AM band is considered a commercial station and should be run as such.
 
w00t said:
FMs outside of 88-92 can be designated noncommercial. Can that not be done on the AM dial?

Not that I am aware of. If so that would be a good thing especially for these type of stations.
 
Double J said:
w00t said:
FMs outside of 88-92 can be designated noncommercial. Can that not be done on the AM dial?

Not that I am aware of. If so that would be a good thing especially for these type of stations.

Some of the heritage educational stations operated by universities carry a something of a NCE designation. I don't know what significance that has at the FCC level. I think they can be converted from NCE to commercial without a lot of hassle. In today's world any FM granted a spot on the dial in the 92.1 to 107.9 spectrum as an NCE cannot be converted to commercial by the licensee or as a part of a license sale/transfer. The channel if abandoned by the not-for-profit licensee then becomes available through the AUCTION process.


However, some early college owned not-for-profit stations were not given NCE preference or station when they were granted and have been converted and sold. (I'm thinking of WAJC, Butler University, in Indianapolis if my memory is not playing tricks on me.

AM NCEs I am thinking of would include WBAA at Purdue, WILL in Champaign-Urbana, IL and WHA in Madison, WI. In the area of religious programming AM's non-commercial would be the original WMBI at Moody in Chicago and KFUO owned by the Lutherans in St. Louis.
 
A web-search left me scratching my head for a minute.

WAUG is indeed an FCC Licensed A.M. radio station that is part of SAINT AUGUSTINE College.

But Google will also try to tell you that WAUG is an FM station at AUGUSTANA College in Dubuqe, IA... when AUGUSTANA is in Rock Island, IL.

Seems as though AUGUSTANA does have a PBS station in Rock Island, which has a translator in Dubuque, Ia. Call letters are NOT WAUG! But the students at AUGUSTANA do operate an audio stream which for some reaseon they choose to "brand" as WAUG-FM.... though it does not appear to have any transmitter.... well, not one the FCC knows about!

Some days life will run you in circles if you are curious at heart.
 
The reason any station fails, is the people. From the management down to the janitor (engineer). Most people in radio today are not "radio people". They don't understand what has to be done to be successful. It's a simple as that. If any of the "Wilson" stations had "passionate radio people" heading them, they would be successful.
 
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