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why does 104.5 play crappy re-recorded versions of hits?

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ambandwidth

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is it cause they just don't care or just don't know?
over the past few days i've heard amongst others-

lightnin' strikes by lou christie
jim dandy by black oak arkansas
 
Hey, don't go rankin' on Lou Christie.
 
Some of those could have been crap on the FIRST recording...let's not forget THAT possibility!! (though I am always a fan of a library being bigger than smaller ... even if it includes a few that make me wince).
 
how queer! wasn't an issue of them being good nor bad, just a question-
do other stations play re-recorded versions? ::)
 
Is their library being partially supplied by K-Tel? K-Tel is notorious for their cd hits compilations filled with (mostly) re-recorded versions of hits. This fact, of course, is only noted in very small print on the back of the cd.
 
Lot of FM's get caught up in the "Stereo" thing and go for the re-makes issued by record companies after stereo started to hit big in late 60's early 70's. TM-Century's "Gold Disc" series was famous for this.
 
I think it is a case of PD's not knowing the difference between the originals and the remakes. I don't mind the original remixed for stereo. Good example Stereo version of Rolling Stones Satisfaction, or some of the Motown hits.
 
Studio re-recordings usually don't go over well with most people. They just don't sound right.
 
Black Oak Arkansas' version of "Jim Dandy" reached number 25 on Billboard's Hot 100 back in '73 so it's not exactly a K-Tel remake. As I recall, they were sort of a poor man's Allman Brothers/Lynyrd Skynrd.
 
Shark said:
Black Oak Arkansas' version of "Jim Dandy" reached number 25 on Billboard's Hot 100 back in '73 so it's not exactly a K-Tel remake. As I recall, they were sort of a poor man's Allman Brothers/Lynyrd Skynrd.

But with that picture of the girl in shorts in a hayloft, they knew how to get people to pick up an album.
How come I ever bought a copy of that?

I can't think of one re-recorded song that was as good as the original release.
 
XM radio has had a really crappy version of don mclanes "castles in the air" in the computer library. sounds like a very poor demo version, of the original. rarely, is a re-recorded version better than the original we are used to. one rare exception is willie nelsons "bloody mary morning". i noticed XM "willies place" has a kick ass version, with more western swing steel guitar/fiddle production on it that gets some rotation.
 
I thought we were talking re-recordings by the original artists. Remakes is another story. There's tons of them, and many remain popular. i'm not gonna complain about those getting airplay, particularly if the remake falls more into the station's parameters of what they play, decade-wise. I'm more likely to hear Ringo Starr's "You're Sixteen" on the radio now than Johnny Burnette's original. 50's/early 60's just doesn't get radio time now, unless it's on KIXI.
 
Lonely Summer said:
I thought we were talking re-recordings by the original artists. Remakes is another story. There's tons of them, and many remain popular. i'm not gonna complain about those getting airplay, particularly if the remake falls more into the station's parameters of what they play, decade-wise. I'm more likely to hear Ringo Starr's "You're Sixteen" on the radio now than Johnny Burnette's original. 50's/early 60's just doesn't get radio time now, unless it's on KIXI.

Yeah I'm suddenly totally confused by this topic. There's a huge difference between remakes and re-recordings. I like LaVern Baker's "Jim Dandy" but there isn't anything wrong with Black Oak Arkansas' REMAKE of it. I just looked on Amazon's MP3 site http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_8?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-music&field-keywords=black+oak+arkansas+jim+dandy&sprefix=black+oa and if they played the 3:33 RE-RECORDING (artist credited to Jim Dandy's Black Oak Arkansas) rather than the 2:39 original version, then that's just plain sloppy and something I'd tune right out of.
 
It's like the re-recorded version of "Unchained Melody" when it was in the movie "Ghost". They just got the Righteous Bros. back in the studio with a similar arrangement.

This also happened a lot with Chubby Checker before his original Parkway recordings were released on CD. It was easier for a PD to buy a re-recorded version on CD than take the time to transfer the vinyl. For awhile, what was TM Century would sell individual cuts on custom-made CDs.

But in this world of digital music, why would any station play anything but the original hit version?

I have a commercial "various artists" CD with the original Atco single recording of the Black Oak Arkansas song...so I know it's out there.
 
ambandwidth said:
is it cause they just don't care or just don't know?
over the past few days i've heard amongst others-

lightnin' strikes by lou christie
jim dandy by black oak arkansas

It's funny but I have noticed that, also there was a song they played once(I can't remember what it was) but it sounded as if it was taped off of the radio or something, the sound quality sounded awful. On another note, KMCQ has really stepped it up with the song choices, they played Busted by Ray Charles(which I don't remember hearing on KJR FM or KBSG), plus i've heard quite a few one hit wonders that I never heard KBSG play(Edison Lighthouse's Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes, First Class's Beach Baby, among others), actually they played Little Woman by Bobby Sherman a fwe minutes ago, I don't remember KJR or KBSG ever playing that song.
 
Dan McKay said:
I have a commercial "various artists" CD with the original Atco single recording of the Black Oak Arkansas song...so I know it's out there.
If RHINO still has Super Hits of the 70's series (25-discs sold individually) it's on Disc #12. That was a great series for people who like less-heard cuts that tended not to be included on major compilations.
 
Usually it's lack of knowledge of the folks who build the library.
It's common for artists to generate a few bucks for themselves by re-recording old hits for a pre-established fee, and some labels specialize in these (Deluxe comes to mind, but there are several others.)
Additionally, when some artists changed labels, they re-recorded their prior hits from the old label, because the new label doesn't have rights to use the old label's masters.
Sometimes the record company itself uses an alternate take instead of the single version (Del shannon's Runaway was recorded in stereo just a few minutes after the mono version, but the phrasing is different.)
It takes knowledge and dedication to sort this stuff out--to know that Bybe Bye Love is only correct in the Cadence version but not on Warner Brothers, and Ray Stevens' material can be cross-licensed or remade, depending on the song and the source CD.
The market for remade hits flourishes, because, as Abe Lincoln aptly said, you can fool some of the people some of the time, and of course the fooled spend their money on this stuff, not knowing any better.
It's a daunting task for music fans, but even more so for PD's who have several formats to handle and not enough time to devote to getting things right.
More to the point, KMCQ's current format is a placeholder, so they're probably not spending much time on the finer points.
Good grief, their audio isn't even very clean, let alone what they put on it.
It's a shame, it could be done so wel, but you gotta go to the Internet for that these days. A few dedicated broadcasters there do it right--and play thousands of songs, not just a few hundred.
It may not be considered commercially viable for AM or FM, but it's a better listening experience.
 
multiplex said:
Usually it's lack of knowledge of the folks who build the library.
It's common for artists to generate a few bucks for themselves by re-recording old hits for a pre-established fee, and some labels specialize in these (Deluxe comes to mind, but there are several others.)
Additionally, when some artists changed labels, they re-recorded their prior hits from the old label, because the new label doesn't have rights to use the old label's masters.
Sometimes the record company itself uses an alternate take instead of the single version (Del shannon's Runaway was recorded in stereo just a few minutes after the mono version, but the phrasing is different.)
It takes knowledge and dedication to sort this stuff out--to know that Bybe Bye Love is only correct in the Cadence version but not on Warner Brothers, and Ray Stevens' material can be cross-licensed or remade, depending on the song and the source CD.
The market for remade hits flourishes, because, as Abe Lincoln aptly said, you can fool some of the people some of the time, and of course the fooled spend their money on this stuff, not knowing any better.
It's a daunting task for music fans, but even more so for PD's who have several formats to handle and not enough time to devote to getting things right.
More to the point, KMCQ's current format is a placeholder, so they're probably not spending much time on the finer points.
Good grief, their audio isn't even very clean, let alone what they put on it.
It's a shame, it could be done so wel, but you gotta go to the Internet for that these days. A few dedicated broadcasters there do it right--and play thousands of songs, not just a few hundred.
It may not be considered commercially viable for AM or FM, but it's a better listening experience.

Actually i've been listening pretty regularly to KMCQ and their audio quality is pretty good, pretty much on the same level as regular FM stations or satellite radio. Hopefully though the format isn't a placeholder and someone buys the station keeps the current oldies format, it's pretty good and Seattle could definitely use a station like that.
 
Scoobyfan1 said:
Actually i've been listening pretty regularly to KMCQ and their audio quality is pretty good

I really hope that you are Kidding...
 
Bongwater said:
Studio re-recordings usually don't go over well with most people. They just don't sound right.

I wonder how many oldies that were re-recorded are selling on iTunes. I notice a lot of the oldies available there are re-recordings that are not like the ones originally heard on the radio...

With that in mind... how come Peter Frampton never had a successful song that was ever recorded inside a studio? And for that matter, how come every one of the songs he is known for has the word "way" in it?
 
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