always seemed to get dissed? And not just by people on this board. There are plenty of other stations around that barely get a mention, but it seems like people love to knock Dave. They're not perfect (a little too much Talking Heads and Bob Marley for me), but at least they play a variety of stuff. You're not gonna hear Tiny Dancer, American Pie, or Take it Easy twenty times of day on that station. They do try to be innovative. It just seems like from day one, some folks didn't give them a chance. If you don't like Dave, you don't have to listen. But others of us do like it.
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Why does Dave FM
- Thread starter jokerman
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It's the only commercial music station in town I could leave on and enjoy most of the music (and bring on more Talking Heads and Marley!)
But, it still can't beat my own mp3 player and CDs. The station would have been better 10 years ago.
But, it still can't beat my own mp3 player and CDs. The station would have been better 10 years ago.
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troone
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Here, here jokerman. It's the one station that:
* treats music like something they actually enjoy providing its audience. (Unlike 98.5 or 97.1, for example, where one can imagine Jordan Gray or Kelly McCoy leafing through one giant magazine during a typical shift)
* doesn't voicetrack - or if they do on the weekend, it's not so obvious
* tries to do something interesting/fun like the '30 of the last 30.' Does any other station creatively package music anymore - except for the occasional Memorial Day countdown?
* makes the effort to play variety, even if its not your personal favorite
* gives the jocks a little breathing room to be original
I just don't get comments like the previous one...that the station would have been great before Ipods. Weren't all stations 'great' before Ipods?
Dave is a good morning show away from being a great Atlanta station.
* treats music like something they actually enjoy providing its audience. (Unlike 98.5 or 97.1, for example, where one can imagine Jordan Gray or Kelly McCoy leafing through one giant magazine during a typical shift)
* doesn't voicetrack - or if they do on the weekend, it's not so obvious
* tries to do something interesting/fun like the '30 of the last 30.' Does any other station creatively package music anymore - except for the occasional Memorial Day countdown?
* makes the effort to play variety, even if its not your personal favorite
* gives the jocks a little breathing room to be original
I just don't get comments like the previous one...that the station would have been great before Ipods. Weren't all stations 'great' before Ipods?
Dave is a good morning show away from being a great Atlanta station.
Not true! I gave them a bunch of chances but PD Michelle Engle f-ed it up. Rather than playing newer artists or forgotten songs by traditional artists, she shoved The Cars, Peter Gabriel and Widespread Panic down our throats. When a new trend came out showing audience erosion, she would change the music by adding stranger stuff and then more classic rock. There was no rhyme or reason to what she did or when she did it. On Rodney's blog, someone mentioned that DAVE-FM did a "Circle of Friends" with Wilco yet the station didn't even play Wilco. That is typical of Michelle Engle's programming.
Troone; you bring up some solid facts however, the jocks were told to "tone it down and not be yourself." Rich Sullivan is a bright and funny guy yet when he cracks the mike you can almost here the stop watch he has by his console because he knows he'll get in trouble if he talks for more than 30 seconds. MD Margot Smith had a creative show, "Dave After Tomorrow" and it was taken away. Mara is only herself when she does Radio Free Lunch. Acoustic Sunrise is a copy of Organic X and a poor one at that.
People who listen to AAA stations are passionate about their music. We don't have it as background noise; we participate. We are not casual music fans. If a group of DAVE-FM's P1's got together, you could conduct a music seminar. Michelle never got that.
One hopes with Mike Wheeler in charge, there will be better decisions.
Troone; you bring up some solid facts however, the jocks were told to "tone it down and not be yourself." Rich Sullivan is a bright and funny guy yet when he cracks the mike you can almost here the stop watch he has by his console because he knows he'll get in trouble if he talks for more than 30 seconds. MD Margot Smith had a creative show, "Dave After Tomorrow" and it was taken away. Mara is only herself when she does Radio Free Lunch. Acoustic Sunrise is a copy of Organic X and a poor one at that.
People who listen to AAA stations are passionate about their music. We don't have it as background noise; we participate. We are not casual music fans. If a group of DAVE-FM's P1's got together, you could conduct a music seminar. Michelle never got that.
One hopes with Mike Wheeler in charge, there will be better decisions.
I agree with Neil... you cant out-hip your audience. They had the opportunity to open their playlist but STILL have songs that were recognizable. Sometimes I would tune in only to punch right out after hearing some obscure "B" side cut that sucked.
The majority of radio listeners want to relate with the songs they hear. They associate older songs with fond memories. They know the words etc... You play a song that no one knows or that no one liked when it came out and bad ratings will come your way just like they did at Dave.
The majority of radio listeners want to relate with the songs they hear. They associate older songs with fond memories. They know the words etc... You play a song that no one knows or that no one liked when it came out and bad ratings will come your way just like they did at Dave.
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wareagle
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Neil Millman said:
If you think Michelle "f-ed it up", wait til Mike Wheeler gets through with it. (see 96 Rock, GST, Lite, Real Radio, VIVA, Buzz, Denny Radio etc.)
I realize DAVE-FM includes AAA music in its rotation. But if it's really an AAA station, why does it sound so different than triple A stations such as KINK in Portland, Cities 97 in Minneapolis and KGSR in Austin?
troone said:
You don't understand how a 60gb iPod filled with personal choices put on random could beat the pants off a radio station that plays mostly songs beaten to the ground over 20+ years? 10 years ago most people would listen to a CD in the car... 15 songs. Get tired of that, turn on the radio. Now I can listen to a massive amount of my own music on random and consitently be surprised by even my own collection. Not 2 cuts deep into a great album, but 10 cuts deep. But, I know I'm not a normal music listener. I'm one of the few 40+ year olds who still scarfs up new rock bands and daily searches out music I've never heard before. You just can't get that on commercial radio in Atlanta.
Then why post about radio?
Grew up on FM radio. I miss AOR that took some chances. That's why today it's mainly talk radio or my own music. But I give DaveFM some credit for trying something a little different. It's a very listenable station.well i can't say how much authority she really had, so this isn't in defense of the pd. but keep in mind, cbs radio isn't that far from the evil empire in dictating nationally what should be played locally. perhaps they hired a chick pd to improve their eoe standings, and then kept her like a monkey on a string.
or maybe she just sucked. but my money is cbs also didn't let her really program.
or maybe she just sucked. but my money is cbs also didn't let her really program.
What really happened: Michelle had a big budget and full control to create her vision of dave fm. In fact she was programming the music for the launch and hiding in a hotel room in Atlanta waiting for Rick Caffee to clear the deck and tell the current PD that he was out of a job. The story of the switch hit the radio trades in advance and forced Rick to launch early and fire all but one of the airstaff. So, CBS gave up the classic rock/classic hits position in Atlanta to let Michelle create her dream of a AAA for Atlanta like she had done in the Northwest (Portland?). Not only did she fail to create ratings past the first couple books, but she screwed over the sales team along the way, costing them their jobs while promising success right around the corner. There are few saddened to see her get the same boot as the guy that she pushed out by promising success.
Meanwhile, Cox flips a hip/hop station with a bad city signal to play classic hits as The River with no jocks and kicks her fat bottom all over the ratings with most of the same music Z93 would have been playing without her.
Success has many parents. Failure is an orphant. Gladly, it had nothing to do with her being female. She had her shot and missed. Don't worry for her. There's plenty of room for mediocrity in our business.
Meanwhile, Cox flips a hip/hop station with a bad city signal to play classic hits as The River with no jocks and kicks her fat bottom all over the ratings with most of the same music Z93 would have been playing without her.
Success has many parents. Failure is an orphant. Gladly, it had nothing to do with her being female. She had her shot and missed. Don't worry for her. There's plenty of room for mediocrity in our business.
yes but with my last radio gigs, the mediocre rose to the top! and i got sh!#canned. all the other good programming minds around me, too. in fact, that's what i think about most radio stations now. most of the real talent have long since given up. and the triple a league, the smaller markets, aren't growing new talent, due to voicetracking and homogenization. good thing i love my ipod.
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