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Why does WGCI "over" censor some of its music?

Hamp said:
urban said:
Countrykev said:
I somewhat understand why Elroy did it (why is Kris Kelley), not every listener is a kid. What about the "grown folks"? I would understand if this were Radio Disney where it caters to very young kids, but WGCI caters to young adults.

It's a great idea for all audiences. 1. As mentioned it's great because parents can listen to it in the car with the kids. 2. Why not leave out questionable lyrics and build a better community?

Personally speaking, I feel it's extremely sad that the lyrics in a lot of popular songs are getting worse and worse, and yet generally accepted by the mainstream public. Of course, suggestive and "naughty" lyrics are nothing new in popular music, but what's out today is just downright awful.

Quick disclaimer: I'm all for freedom of choice. A radio does indeed have an on/off switch. I'm not going to tell someone what they can and can't see and do (unless it's my own kids). I don't like shoving my beliefs down other people's throats.

However, being in charge of the the highest rated music station in market #3 gives a Program Director a great deal of power. What you do on the air can set the agendas and standards that your audience accepts. Now, I'm not one to further a stereotype, but let's think realistically here for a second. A good portion of your audience and community are a culture that faces risks and problems like poverty, gangs, violence, drugs, etc... everyday. I'm not saying that's your entire audience, but it's part of the community and you have their attention.

If you can do something that can help the overall community and set the standard a bit higher, why not do it? Especially when over the years it has been very well accepted. I'm not saying that bleeping a "bang, bang, bang" is going to change the world by any means, but if you can set the standard higher, why not? Why lower your standards? Why lower your community's standards? If the audience didn't accept it and appreciate it, the station wouldn't be #1.

I have to agree with CountryKev. I'm all for freedom of speech but at what point do we start paying attention to the messages and images that we're putting out there for our kids to hear, which in turn has a negative impact on our community? It just so happens that now most of the music coming out of the pipeline today and played on mainstream urban stations is glorifying what's wrong in our communities. Before having kids and getting married, I had the opposite perspective, but with age and maturity and kids of my own, my lenses can see the larger picture. Just my $.02

You cannot blame the negativity in a community on a song, that is just a scapegoat excuse. A community's problems run way deeper than that. It all starts at home. I don't and shouldn't rely on a radio station to raise children. It is up to the individual parent or guardian to do that. Do you guys actually think adding some uncalled for edits is going to make or break a community, I really don't think so. I said it once, I will say it again, DON'T BUY OR REQUEST THE SONG if you feel it is trash. That is the only way bad music is eliminated. Or TURN THE DIAL OR DON'T LISTEN!!!! I am tired of all these people on this board putting GCI on a high horse. This isn't the same quality GCI from ten to fifteen years ago. Just to let all of you know, I have taken WGCI off of my presets. B-96, Kiss, V-103 and Power 92 will get my listenership because these stations actually realize all of their listeners AREN'T twelve years old!!!!!!!!

I agree that the ultimate responsibility lies with the individual parent or guardian. And I would be the first to say that society's problems can't be attributed to the songs that are out today. But, with that said, why should someone support music that glorifies the problems that are impacting our children and families? Why not do your (our) part and edit out objectionable material? It will not change society or resolve its problems but it is making a statement regarding such behavior. What happened to the saying "it takes a village to raise a child"? Maybe if every station took this kind of stand, artists would be less likely to record such trash. Just my two cents...
 
Hamp said:
rkchgo said:
Hamp said:
rkchgo said:
Hamp said:
CapeRadio said:
Elroy used to do it because he is very christian, and he was trying to create a family-oriented urban station. Makes sense, so parents can listen to very explicit songs without really worrying about it (nothing like 8 year olds singing about licking lollipops, you get the idea...). But what he did really works. GCI has been around forever, but he got it to the point where it very often beats WGN. So if it works, then why change it?

And, I am sure there is research to back this up. May not be your cup of tea, but one thing I have learned through my years in radio is that if I like it, its probibly a stiff. And if I hate it, its probibly a winner.

I somewhat understand why Elroy did it (why is Kris Kelley), not every listener is a kid. What about the "grown folks"? I would understand if this were Radio Disney where it caters to very young kids, but WGCI caters to young adults.
Besides WGCI is in CHICAGO, not Salt Lake City!!!!!
Also, if the parents have a problem with certain songs, the radio does have an on/off button.

<sigh>

Ipod. You. Again.

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

This is getting old.
Dude, you REALLY need to keep your comments to yourself. If you don't have any constructive comments on this issue, then DON'T SAY ANYTHING!!!!! This is a SERIOUS topic!!!!!!

Funny. I was going to make the same comment about constructive comments to you.

Dude! Buy the station, run it however you want to. One more time: IT IS A FREAKING BUSINESS. IT IS NOT THERE FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE MARKET.

If you don't like it, turn the station off.

Yet again, a question you've NEVER answered: what in the world qualifies YOU to decide what a major market powerhouse should do?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
Rick Chicago, I NEVER said the station was for me specifically. Don't put words in my mouth. Also, you are contradicting yourself. If the station is for the "market", aren't I apart of the market?????? Hello!!!!! If there is something I don't like about a station, don't I have the right to say so?????? You don't have the right to tell me what I can and cannot like about something. Mr. Censorship!!!!!! So get off of my back dude. I don't understand why you don't like what I have to say about radio anyway. Does it hit too close to home for you or something?

Sure you have the right to say so. And I have the right to say you're wrong.

As for being a part of the "market", yes, you ARE a part of it. A VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY small part. And yet, here you go, blasting a station that has been successful for YEARS, because you think you can do better.

Well, I'm calling you on it. Buy a station and do better. Put your money where your mouth is. It's really very simple.
 
This is a subject that's near and dear to my heart...since I've spent 35 years in radio in large markets and small ones. (And, yes, that includes stints with 2 Urban stations).

Whether some of you want to believe it or not, radio is still bound by Part 73 of the Rules and Regs. (The fact that the FCC is a toothless tiger and doesn't enforce as it should is a different problem that should be addressed in a different thread). Those rules state that radio stations...all radio stations...are to operate in the public "interest, convenience and necessity". And, those rules also state that stations cannot broadcast material which is deemed to be "obscene, indecent or (yes, rap fans..) profane."

Now, I'll admit today is a different day. What was considered shocking and beyond the bounds in 1975 is a lot different from today. But that having been said, I defy any one of you to suggest that the lyrics in many of these songs don't fit the definition of "profane". (Note that I didn't cast judgment on whether they were "obscene" or "indecent" - that, to me, boils down to individual community standards.)

I will defend to the death a performer's right to put anything he or she wants on a song. That is guaranteed under the bounds of Freedom Of Expression. But no artist, no matter how popular has a guaranteed right to radio airplay. If a PD (or GM) thinks lyrics in a particular song are over the line, they have the right to edit, or refuse to air the song.

I was requested by the PD of WCIN in Cinncinnati in 1979 to edit "Rapper's Delight" by Sugarhill Gang, over the line "She can't satisfy you with his little worm, but I can bust you out with my supersperm." In 1979, that sexual innuendo was too much for the station. I admit it seems petty and trivial today, but for 1979, they were right to do that.

WDAO-FM in Dayton, Ohio and their, then Program Director John "Turk" Logan (who, by the way broke a lot of big groups like The Ohio Players and Bootsy Collins to name a few), issued a pledge in the early 80's that said 'DAO would not play songs with dirty lyrics. And, they stuck to it. So, what WGCI and Elroy has done is not all that unusual. If you read Dr. Logan's book, (He is now a professor at Central State University in Wilberforce, Ohio), you'll find he's got more than a few things to say about today's music and the reaction the kids have to it.)

You see, one thing they remember (and some of you forget) is these stations probably have 30% or more of their cume audience being persons under the age of 18. And, if you put yourself in the place of at least some parents, some of the lyrics in today's music is way over the top, not only for profanity, but for sexual and violent suggestiveness.

I still DJ at high schools. I have had public schools come to me with a list of new songs I cannot, must not, under terms of my contract, play. And I've had to tell quite a few students, "that's the way it is...if you don't like it, go talk to the teachers". They're concerned about it. And why? Because the parents are concerned about it.

And, if you're running a radio station that has a sizable audience under age 18, you should be concerned about it, too. I respect any radio company, any manager, or any Program Director with the cojones to tell an artist or record rep "no" when he or she thinks they've gone overboard.

You see, nobody's painted the artist or record company's name on the transmitting towers yet.
 
Jason Roberts said:
This is a subject that's near and dear to my heart...since I've spent 35 years in radio in large markets and small ones. (And, yes, that includes stints with 2 Urban stations).

Whether some of you want to believe it or not, radio is still bound by Part 73 of the Rules and Regs. (The fact that the FCC is a toothless tiger and doesn't enforce as it should is a different problem that should be addressed in a different thread). Those rules state that radio stations...all radio stations...are to operate in the public "interest, convenience and necessity". And, those rules also state that stations cannot broadcast material which is deemed to be "obscene, indecent or (yes, rap fans..) profane."

Now, I'll admit today is a different day. What was considered shocking and beyond the bounds in 1975 is a lot different from today. But that having been said, I defy any one of you to suggest that the lyrics in many of these songs don't fit the definition of "profane". (Note that I didn't cast judgment on whether they were "obscene" or "indecent" - that, to me, boils down to individual community standards.)

I will defend to the death a performer's right to put anything he or she wants on a song. That is guaranteed under the bounds of Freedom Of Expression. But no artist, no matter how popular has a guaranteed right to radio airplay. If a PD (or GM) thinks lyrics in a particular song are over the line, they have the right to edit, or refuse to air the song.

I was requested by the PD of WCIN in Cinncinnati in 1979 to edit "Rapper's Delight" by Sugarhill Gang, over the line "She can't satisfy you with his little worm, but I can bust you out with my supersperm." In 1979, that sexual innuendo was too much for the station. I admit it seems petty and trivial today, but for 1979, they were right to do that.

WDAO-FM in Dayton, Ohio and their, then Program Director John "Turk" Logan (who, by the way broke a lot of big groups like The Ohio Players and Bootsy Collins to name a few), issued a pledge in the early 80's that said 'DAO would not play songs with dirty lyrics. And, they stuck to it. So, what WGCI and Elroy has done is not all that unusual. If you read Dr. Logan's book, (He is now a professor at Central State University in Wilberforce, Ohio), you'll find he's got more than a few things to say about today's music and the reaction the kids have to it.)

You see, one thing they remember (and some of you forget) is these stations probably have 30% or more of their cume audience being persons under the age of 18. And, if you put yourself in the place of at least some parents, some of the lyrics in today's music is way over the top, not only for profanity, but for sexual and violent suggestiveness.

I still DJ at high schools. I have had public schools come to me with a list of new songs I cannot, must not, under terms of my contract, play. And I've had to tell quite a few students, "that's the way it is...if you don't like it, go talk to the teachers". They're concerned about it. And why? Because the parents are concerned about it.

And, if you're running a radio station that has a sizable audience under age 18, you should be concerned about it, too. I respect any radio company, any manager, or any Program Director with the cojones to tell an artist or record rep "no" when he or she thinks they've gone overboard.

You see, nobody's painted the artist or record company's name on the transmitting towers yet.

Excellent!!!
 
Hamp said:
Just to let all of you know, I have taken WGCI off of my presets. B-96, Kiss, V-103 and Power 92 will get my listenership because these stations actually realize all of their listeners AREN'T twelve years old!!!!!!!!

Good...so we can look forward to NEVER seeing another message from you about WGCI...right?
 
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