Why don't these FLIP EVER

[magicjellybeans]

I am curious as to why these stations NEVER flip.
98.7 WRKS KISS -FM
97.1 HOT 97 (well maybe because its an URBAN market)
107.5 WBLS (same as above)
93.1 AMOR - spanish (nobody will EVER change a spanish station EVER)
105.9 WCAA same as above
97.9 MEGA same as above
92.7 spanish - same as above.


Whats the deal ?anyone answer this ?

 

[andreajesus]

I am curious as to why these stations NEVER flip.
98.7 WRKS KISS -FM
97.1 HOT 97 (well maybe because its an URBAN market)
107.5 WBLS (same as above)
93.1 AMOR - spanish (nobody will EVER change a spanish station EVER)
105.9 WCAA same as above
97.9 MEGA same as above
92.7 spanish - same as above.

Whats the deal ?anyone answer this ?

as far as 98.7 is concerned, they actually DID flip over 30 years ago - ORIGINALLY, the station was, iirc, a precursor to what would become WCBSFM - WOR-FM as the station was ORIGINALLY called, played "Golden Oldies" - in fact, two of their legendary DJs - well, one was some dude named Bill Brown , and the other was some dude with glasses named Joe McCoy who would go on to have HUGE success programming WCBSFM for MANY years...in the late 70's, the station changed its call letters to WXLO and became more r&b/soul/dance oriented - two of the DJs would go on to even GREATER success in the coming years - one lady by the name of Sue O'Neal , and some dude by the name of Al Bandiero...and then in the '80's, here came the "kissing", and the rest, as they say, is radio history (and come on, how does WRKS dump LONG-TIME evening guy Lenny Green in favor of a VTd show by Brian "Back at One" McKnight? Crazy!!)

Andrea

 

[kms575]

I am curious as to why these stations NEVER flip.
98.7 WRKS KISS -FM
97.1 HOT 97 (well maybe because its an URBAN market)
107.5 WBLS (same as above)
93.1 AMOR - spanish (nobody will EVER change a spanish station EVER)
105.9 WCAA same as above
97.9 MEGA same as above
92.7 spanish - same as above.


Whats the deal ?anyone answer this ?

Hot 97 was not always so urban either. It was more CHR/Dance for a while in the late '80's-early '90's, right?

 

[neo11]

I am curious as to why these stations NEVER flip.
98.7 WRKS KISS -FM
97.1 HOT 97 (well maybe because its an URBAN market)
107.5 WBLS (same as above)
93.1 AMOR - spanish (nobody will EVER change a spanish station EVER)
105.9 WCAA same as above
97.9 MEGA same as above
92.7 spanish - same as above.


Whats the deal ?anyone answer this ?

You have got to be joking.

98.7 has had consistently strong ratings for many, many years. Why in the world would they flip?

Ditto WBLS...consistently strong performer. Absolutely no need to change.

Ditto Amor 93.1, another strong performing station even if it's probably been hurt the most by PPM. Let's not forget though that until the early-mid 90's this was an easy listening/soft AC station, so it doesn't yet have the longevity that some of the other stations have.

Ditto Hot 97, though keep in mind that they weren't always hip-hop and rap...Hot 103.5/Hot 97 was once a dance station!

105.9 has actually tweaked quite a few times....Caliente 105.9, Latino Mix, La Kalle with a reggaeton focus, the current La Kalle which seems to resemble 97.9, etc. Also, up until the mid-late 90's, this was a brokered-time ethnic station that was not exclusively Spanish-language, so 105.9 hasn't really stuck to any format very long since then.

97.9 is another strong performer, they've even been #1 12+ a few times. Why would they change?

92.7 has only been a Spanish-language station since 2004 and has already flipped from a simulcast of Latino Mix, which became a simulcast of La Kalle, to, very recently, becoming Que Buena. I don't see where the longevity is there. Prior to 2004, they were WLIR (and for a while, WDRE) and that station tweaked its format quite a few times as well over the years.

So, in a nutshell, there's either no reason at all for the above stations to flip, or they haven't been on the air as long as you seem to think they have. It's kind of curious you only chose Spanish-language and urban stations to target. You seem to be forgetting this is New York City!

 

[htowler]

98.7 Flipped From Oldies to Urban then from Urban to Urban AC

97.1 From Dance to CHR/Pop to CHR/Rhy to Urban to CHR/Rhy

107.5 From Urban to Urban AC to Urban to Urban AC.



what you you suggest the flip to All genres of Rock?

And leave NYC with NO African American or Hispanic Programming?

 

[DToTheJ]

As long as New York City is an ethnic melting pot, these stations aren't going anywhere.

I can't help but pick up some slight racial overtones from "magicjellybeans" starting this thread... Actually, to be fair, I can't say that... He left out 105.1...

Now, if you want to talk about New York radio stations that boggle the mind as to why they're still on the air, let's start with WBAI - a non-commercial roadblock in the middle of the radio dial of Market No. 1.

 

[d21ofnj]

I can't help but pick up some slight racial overtones from "magicjellybeans" starting this thread... Actually, to be fair, I can't say that... He left out 105.1...

That's not saying much, even though it's been nearly 7 years, it felt like 105.1 flipped a few years ago, and don't forget all the other formats that flipped on 105.1, it felt like there's was a different format everyday the way it was flipping.

 

[neo11]

Now, if you want to talk about New York radio stations that boggle the mind as to why they're still on the air, let's start with WBAI - a non-commercial roadblock in the middle of the radio dial of Market No. 1.

A roadblock? Really? You don't have to like it, but I'll take WBAI any day over another repetitive, predictable, boring commercial station owned by the likes of Clear Channel or CBS or Emmis. How's the internet's talk superstation coming along?

 

[RayDio]

98.7FM was 99X WXLO, a Top 40 station in the 1970s (1974 - 1980). In the late 1970s - 1980, their morning man was none other than Jay Thomas, who also worked on WKTU/WXRK 92.3FM until Howard Stern moved from afternoons to mornings. Jay also had a successful morning show in Los Angeles after he left WXRK and appeared on several TV sitcoms. He's now on SiriusXM (Stars 108, Howard 101, and 70s on 7).

 

[mcmannors]

I am curious as to why these stations NEVER flip.
98.7 WRKS KISS -FM
97.1 HOT 97 (well maybe because its an URBAN market)
107.5 WBLS (same as above)
93.1 AMOR - spanish (nobody will EVER change a spanish station EVER)
105.9 WCAA same as above
97.9 MEGA same as above
92.7 spanish - same as above.

Whats the deal ?anyone answer this ?

as far as 98.7 is concerned, they actually DID flip over 30 years ago - ORIGINALLY, the station was, iirc, a precursor to what would become WCBSFM - WOR-FM as the station was ORIGINALLY called, played "Golden Oldies" - in fact, two of their legendary DJs - well, one was some dude named Bill Brown , and the other was some dude with glasses named Joe McCoy who would go on to have HUGE success programming WCBSFM for MANY years...in the late 70's, the station changed its call letters to WXLO and became more r&b/soul/dance oriented - two of the DJs would go on to even GREATER success in the coming years - one lady by the name of Sue O'Neal , and some dude by the name of Al Bandiero...and then in the '80's, here came the "kissing", and the rest, as they say, is radio history (and come on, how does WRKS dump LONG-TIME evening guy Lenny Green in favor of a VTd show by Brian "Back at One" McKnight? Crazy!!)

Andrea

Just some corrections: WOR-FM was originally a "free form" station back in 1966. Guys like Murray The K, Rosko, and Scott Muni worked there. They gradually morphed into an "adult" top 40 station, playing a lot more "gold" than top 40 competitors like WABC and WMCA. That's when Rosko and Muni left for WNEW-FM. That's also when Bill Brown worked there, before leaving in 1969 for CBS-FM. Joe McCoy also worked there during this period as well. The late 60's/early 70's is also when WOR-FM did the "Drake" format of Top 40, sounding like KHJ in Los Angeles and CKLW in Detroit.

The change of calls from WOR-FM to WXLO occured on October 23rd, 1972, and in early 1974 they started calling themselves "99X". They were mainstream Top 40 the whole time. Sue O'Neal and Al Bandiero joined 99X around 1977. WXLO did not go "R&B/soul/dance oriented" until 1981. Shortly ater that, they changed the calls to WRKS (98.7 Kiss).

 

[DToTheJ]

Now, if you want to talk about New York radio stations that boggle the mind as to why they're still on the air, let's start with WBAI - a non-commercial roadblock in the middle of the radio dial of Market No. 1.

A roadblock? Really? You don't have to like it, but I'll take WBAI any day over another repetitive, predictable, boring commercial station owned by the likes of Clear Channel or CBS or Emmis.

I did not say that I didn't like WBAI. I just voiced an opinion that such a non-commercial station, right smack dab in the middle of commercial frequencies, is just odd, especially for this kind of market, and I'll also throw WNYC and WFME into the argument. And I know I'm not the only one who shares this opinion.

How's the internet's talk superstation coming along?

Better than my wildest expectations. You should tune in sometime.

 

[magicjellybeans]

98.7 Flipped From Oldies to Urban then from Urban to Urban AC

97.1 From Dance to CHR/Pop to CHR/Rhy to Urban to CHR/Rhy

107.5 From Urban to Urban AC to Urban to Urban AC.



what you you suggest the flip to All genres of Rock?

And leave NYC with NO African American or Hispanic Programming?

Ponder this : Certain formats cater to all types of people,like classic rock, or KTU or classical,these all fall in "THE PUBLIC's INTEREST" .Like if there was maybe a Reggae format,this would cater to all types of people.No African American or Caucasian is going to listen to Spanish ,why? because they dont understand what they are saying or dont care for the music.So how is 93.1,105.9 ,97.9 catering to everyone?Just an example- Im not trying to be biased,just tell me which is more LIKELY to be listened to : Salsa or Reggae ?
The programming on radio stations should TRY to cater to everyone! It should be a format in the public's interest.Its just odd how some stations just never flip or haven't in years.I could name other stations such as 94.7 WFME thats Not ethic and also never flip.(I know cause its sattelite fed) Just find it weird thats all.

 

[kms575]

98.7 Flipped From Oldies to Urban then from Urban to Urban AC

97.1 From Dance to CHR/Pop to CHR/Rhy to Urban to CHR/Rhy

107.5 From Urban to Urban AC to Urban to Urban AC.



what you you suggest the flip to All genres of Rock?

And leave NYC with NO African American or Hispanic Programming?

Ponder this : Certain formats cater to all types of people,like classic rock, or KTU or classical,these all fall in "THE PUBLIC's INTEREST" .Like if there was maybe a Reggae format,this would cater to all types of people.No African American or Caucasian is going to listen to Spanish ,why? because they dont understand what they are saying or dont care for the music.So how is 93.1,105.9 ,97.9 catering to everyone?Just an example- Im not trying to be biased,just tell me which is more LIKELY to be listened to : Salsa or Reggae ?
The programming on radio stations should TRY to cater to everyone! It should be a format in the public's interest.Its just odd how some stations just never flip or haven't in years.I could name other stations such as 94.7 WFME thats Not ethic and also never flip.(I know cause its sattelite fed) Just find it weird thats all.

Wow, I think you may have just dug yourself in deeper. Who says African Americans or Caucasians will not listen to Spanish music? Maybe not many, but I think you are generalizing a bit here.

 

[rapking]

98.7 Flipped From Oldies to Urban then from Urban to Urban AC

97.1 From Dance to CHR/Pop to CHR/Rhy to Urban to CHR/Rhy

107.5 From Urban to Urban AC to Urban to Urban AC.



what you you suggest the flip to All genres of Rock?

And leave NYC with NO African American or Hispanic Programming?

Ponder this : Certain formats cater to all types of people,like classic rock, or KTU or classical,these all fall in "THE PUBLIC's INTEREST" .Like if there was maybe a Reggae format,this would cater to all types of people.No African American or Caucasian is going to listen to Spanish ,why? because they dont understand what they are saying or dont care for the music.So how is 93.1,105.9 ,97.9 catering to everyone?Just an example- Im not trying to be biased,just tell me which is more LIKELY to be listened to : Salsa or Reggae ?
The programming on radio stations should TRY to cater to everyone! It should be a format in the public's interest.Its just odd how some stations just never flip or haven't in years.I could name other stations such as 94.7 WFME thats Not ethic and also never flip.(I know cause its sattelite fed) Just find it weird thats all.

I am A African American and I LOVE SPANISH MUSIC !!! I cant speak Spanish but Spanish music make me want to dance my @$$ off . ;D

 

[neo11]

98.7 Flipped From Oldies to Urban then from Urban to Urban AC

97.1 From Dance to CHR/Pop to CHR/Rhy to Urban to CHR/Rhy

107.5 From Urban to Urban AC to Urban to Urban AC.



what you you suggest the flip to All genres of Rock?

And leave NYC with NO African American or Hispanic Programming?

Ponder this : Certain formats cater to all types of people,like classic rock, or KTU or classical,these all fall in "THE PUBLIC's INTEREST" .Like if there was maybe a Reggae format,this would cater to all types of people.No African American or Caucasian is going to listen to Spanish ,why? because they dont understand what they are saying or dont care for the music.So how is 93.1,105.9 ,97.9 catering to everyone?Just an example- Im not trying to be biased,just tell me which is more LIKELY to be listened to : Salsa or Reggae ?
The programming on radio stations should TRY to cater to everyone! It should be a format in the public's interest.Its just odd how some stations just never flip or haven't in years.I could name other stations such as 94.7 WFME thats Not ethic and also never flip.(I know cause its sattelite fed) Just find it weird thats all.

Wow, you must be overdosing on those magic jelly beans! This is one of the silliest posts I've ever seen on this board.

I think the public interest is being served with most of the stations you mentioned, judging by their high ratings. You don't have to listen to them if you don't want to. I mean, Mega has been as high as #1, 12+, in NYC! That should tell you what station is "more likely" to be listened to.

 

[Mixmaster Tony Rocca]

I am curious as to why these stations NEVER flip.
98.7 WRKS KISS -FM
97.1 HOT 97 (well maybe because its an URBAN market)
107.5 WBLS (same as above)
93.1 AMOR - spanish (nobody will EVER change a spanish station EVER)
105.9 WCAA same as above
97.9 MEGA same as above
92.7 spanish - same as above.

Whats the deal ?anyone answer this ?

The top guy at XLO "99X" was Jay Thomas..he later went to do many TV show series. I loved to listen to him..man radio was great in the 70's here in NYC...

as far as 98.7 is concerned, they actually DID flip over 30 years ago - ORIGINALLY, the station was, iirc, a precursor to what would become WCBSFM - WOR-FM as the station was ORIGINALLY called, played "Golden Oldies" - in fact, two of their legendary DJs - well, one was some dude named Bill Brown , and the other was some dude with glasses named Joe McCoy who would go on to have HUGE success programming WCBSFM for MANY years...in the late 70's, the station changed its call letters to WXLO and became more r&b/soul/dance oriented - two of the DJs would go on to even GREATER success in the coming years - one lady by the name of Sue O'Neal , and some dude by the name of Al Bandiero...and then in the '80's, here came the "kissing", and the rest, as they say, is radio history (and come on, how does WRKS dump LONG-TIME evening guy Lenny Green in favor of a VTd show by Brian "Back at One" McKnight? Crazy!!)

Andrea

 

[TonySantiago]

98.7 - Wayne McMannors explained it beautifully!

97.1 - It was a CHR/dance station until hip-hop came in around 1992. But, if we take it back BEFORE the 97.1/103.5 flip in 1988, Hot 103 was WAPP, which started out as a rock station before they flipped it to Top 40/CHR. Before that, the station was known as WTFM which at first had an easy listening format, then moved into an adult contemporary direction.

107.5 - As long as Inner City Broadcasting owns the station, NO major flips. It did weave from urban contemporary to urban adult contemporary at times, even flirted with disco during the late 70's. But before that, the station was known as WLIB-FM and had a jazz format until 1972, when the calls were changed to WBLS.

93.1 - It wasn't THAT long ago that before Amor, the station (which has been known as WPAT-FM) had an adult contemporary format (remember Easy 93?). Prior to that, the station was easy listening.

105.9 - La Kalle launched only a few years ago. Before that, the station was known as WNWK, a brokered radio station. Prior to that, the calls were WHBI. The one BIG standout of that station was during the early 80's, late at night. One of the first all-rap shows was there and had a huge following....Mr. Magic.

97.9 - La Mega has been around for quite a while. To the point very few people would remember 97.9 as WEVD-FM, which was a brokered station with mainly Jewish programming

92.7 - How soon we forget WLIR/WDRE, the legendary alternative/new wave rock station that had that frequency for the longest time, before Morel sold the frequency to Univision for $56 million in 2004.

DToTheJ did mention WBAI (99.5) - Pacifica Radio, and I also believe WFME (94.7) will NEVER change; the same with WBGO (88.3) and WNYC (93.9), so as long as these stations continue to get financial support, via pledges and donations, to remain on the air. Aside from that, all other stations are vulnerable to change.

 

[andreajesus]

105.9 - "...Before that, the station was known as WNWK, a brokered radio station. Prior to that, the calls were WHBI. The one BIG standout of that station was during the early 80's, late at night...

and before the early 80's, my son :-*, WHBI ALSO was the FIRST station to feature "Ronnie I's Just For You" (a doowopp show), before that show went to 91.5 WNYE-FM...

Andrea

 

[MarcB]

Wow, I think you may have just dug yourself in deeper. Who says African Americans or Caucasians will not listen to Spanish music? Maybe not many, but I think you are generalizing a bit here.

I'm Caucasian and don't speak or understand Spanish, but I enjoy listening to some Spanish Music. I have two Spanish stations on my car radio's presets - La Fiesta 98.5 from Long Island (which booms in loudly in parts of Central Connecticut, which is where I live) and Mega 910 from Hartford, Connecticut.

I also prefer hip-hop/rap and R&B oldies to Rock, Alternative Rock, and Modern Rock, but I do like Classic Rock and have 2 Classic Rock stations in my presets (WPLR 99.1 New Haven and Rock 102 WAQY Springfield, Mass). And I also like Oldies music and have 2 Oldies stations as presets (102.9 The Big D which is local [even tho they're VT'd 15 hours/day] and 1320 WATR which runs The Dial Global Oldies Network).