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Why don't we put Radio Disney on in Lubbock?

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enjoythenoise

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I'm kidding of course; I think the static that you can get on 96.7 in Lubbock now would get better ratings.

Just saying.

But seriously, Hot 97-3 has a much better presentation than 104-9 The Beat. I think it will end up just pushing LLL back to the top, hurting the Beat, and perhaps helping Z (but I'm not so sure about that last one... it could go either way...especially with the upcoming changes. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Stay tuned. Exciting huh?

FREEB!RD'S in Lubbock next month! Now all we need is a dang Boston Market, and it truly will be heaven on the South Plains. Just saying.
 
I don't mean for that to be an attack on anyone personally; I just remember seeing posts about Dis quite a bit... and over time, they've become a bit humorous.
 
> I don't mean for that to be an attack on anyone personally;
> I just remember seeing posts about Dis quite a bit... and
> over time, they've become a bit humorous.

Hey - go ahead and laugh at the kids out there eating static and spending their own money on Superadio 3's if you want. Just remember - great minds discuss concepts. Intermediate minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. If your sole source of humor is laughing at DX'ers, then have at it.

I was laughed at for DX'ing rock stations from Dallas when I lived in Midland. I was laughed at when I DX'ed Christian stations across Florida. And if you are laughing at some kids in Lubbock, well, I am proud to side with them.

When all is said and done - DX'ing is about choice vs. the monopoly. Arrogant program directors putting something THEY want on the air, and ignoring deep fringe antennas going up all over town. And sales of DX'ing equipment and radios. So - sing the praises of stations that play hate speech music if you want, but a sizable number of people don't want to hear it, and will DX to avoid it.
 
> > I don't mean for that to be an attack on anyone
> personally;
> > I just remember seeing posts about Dis quite a bit... and
> > over time, they've become a bit humorous.
>
> Hey - go ahead and laugh at the kids out there eating static
> and spending their own money on Superadio 3's if you want.
> Just remember - great minds discuss concepts. Intermediate
> minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. If your
> sole source of humor is laughing at DX'ers, then have at it.
>
>
> I was laughed at for DX'ing rock stations from Dallas when I
> lived in Midland. I was laughed at when I DX'ed Christian
> stations across Florida. And if you are laughing at some
> kids in Lubbock, well, I am proud to side with them.
>
> When all is said and done - DX'ing is about choice vs. the
> monopoly. Arrogant program directors putting something THEY
> want on the air, and ignoring deep fringe antennas going up
> all over town. And sales of DX'ing equipment and radios.
> So - sing the praises of stations that play hate speech
> music if you want, but a sizable number of people don't want
> to hear it, and will DX to avoid it.
>

No offense Bruce, but I think your perception of reality might be a bit off.

I really don't think DXing is that big of a hobby - particularly among kids.

If you went to any high school in Lubbock and asked 100 students who manufactures the Superadio 3, I bet all 100 would give you a blank stare.

As for deep fringe antennas going up all over town - I have two words for you - digital television. I just installed one for my parents so they could pick up the puny DTV signals the stations in Amarillo are currently broadcasting with at their home on the south side of town (the Amarillo TV towers are all north of town.) Trust me - it's not so they can jam to KSCB in Liberal or KEYE in Perryton.

I'm not knocking Radio Disney - in fact, I have an appreciation for what they do. My 5 year old niece wants to listen to it every time she's riding with me (I have XM.)

But I don't see my niece asking for a GE Superadio to listen to Radio Disney now, 5 years from now or ever. As far as I know, you can't even buy one locally in Amarillo or Lubbock.

Yes, she may end up going to school with a few techno-geek kids that think DXing is fun (I was one of them) but they will be an extreme and statistically insignificant minority.
 
> But seriously, Hot 97-3 has a much better presentation than
> 104-9 The Beat. I think it will end up just pushing LLL
> back to the top, hurting the Beat, and perhaps helping Z
> (but I'm not so sure about that last one... it could go
> either way...especially with the upcoming changes. I guess
> we'll have to wait and see. Stay tuned. Exciting huh?

I heard Hot for the first time today while driving through to Amarillo. Sounds great overall and will definitely make a dent in KBTE.

The only things I would change about it are minor.

First, I'd get over the apparent fear of the word "ass." Hot's playing some super clean, poorly edited version of Disco Inferno that reverses the word "ass." When The Beat has been playing the other version for so long, it doesn't do much for Hot's street cred. I heard a few similarly over-clean songs on Hot.

Second, someone needs to tighten up the segues and pitch the music The Beat pitches. The same songs sound slow and draggy on Hot by comparison. It's easy to know which ones are pitched on The Beat - when I was programming it, I pitched anything I thought Z102 was likely to add 2% so it wouldn't sound slow and draggy on The Beat when Z started playing it. Pitch the gold and recurrents The Beat pitches.

Third - PROCESSING!!! The Beat uses an Omnia 6 with version 7 software and a Digit CD exciter. Hot sounds like it's on a 2 band Optimod of some sort - probably an 8100, 2200 or 8200 with early software. That's like taking a stick to a gun fight. If you guys get an Omnia, I'd be more than happy to help you set it up - free of charge. I set The Beat's processing and it seems to have worked pretty well for them. I've developed even better settings since.

Might seem like small details, but paying attention to the details is what gets you a 10+ share for your first book.

But all in all guys, it sounds very good. The commercial free kickoff was a great idea - one of many I had that The Beat's lame management shot down.
 
> I really don't think DXing is that big of a hobby -
> particularly among kids.

NOT a hobby - a neccesity. I was really referring to my experience in high school in Midland. I didn't DX so I could hear distant stations, I DX'ed so I could hear something besides hillbilly music, or spanish music, or "easy listening", or UNCENSORED top-40. Which is what the arrogant station owners in Midland, TX were willing to dish out. DX was just the means to the music. When other people learned I could pull in Dallas FM - it wasn't a hobby for them where they listened patiently for hours so they could send off and get a card. It was: tell my parents what to buy (most of the parents were rich), and can you come over Saturday and install it. Then - Dallas FM was background for parties, homework, and other activities. A lot of fading and static, but at least it was music worth listening to. KRLD AM, believe it or not, had an album rock segment in the early 70's which became standard fare for those around Midland who couldn't afford expensive equipment. And for top 40, KOMA Oklahoma City or WLS Chicago. During the day, most people who couldn't afford top of the line stereos suffered through sanitized top-40 on local KCRS.

> If you went to any high school in Lubbock and asked 100
> students who manufactures the Superadio 3, I bet all 100
> would give you a blank stare.

I agree. But - if I take my SR-3 to where kids are, like the pool in my father's neighborhood, and turn it on KMKI - the signal is clear and it isn't long before kids start hearing. The last time - it was the "Kim Possible" theme song and a MOTHER came over and asked about it. I just tell them - you can hear it, too, if you buy a radio like this from Amazon.com or Radio Shack or Sears - and then a 30 second explanation about interference sources. I don't know if they go an actually buy the radio, but given the relative quality of the local stations out there and the professional sound of a Dallas station in comparison - its not inconceivable that they go out and get one that day.

> As for deep fringe antennas going up all over town - I have
> two words for you - digital television.

Again - I was talking about Midland in the 70's. But - here we go again. You make my point for me. Those people are NOT DX'ers. They are people who want digital entertainment. And DX is a means to the end, not a hobby. Just like football blackouts made TV DX'ers in the same era I was talking about. And - the local TV stations in Lubbock had better take notice of those antennas. Given the trouble it takes to get TV out of Amarillo, they can bet that for every antenna sprouting up out there, there are a hundred other people grumbling about no HDTV and just waiting to defect from the local stations that deny it to them at the first opportunity. BAD PR is hard to overcome. Years later, I remember the arrogance of station owners when I called and tried to talk some sense into them: "its my station I'll do what I want you are an upstart how dare you try to dictate to me what I'll play you are a NOBODY (profanities left out). I bet my deep fringe FM was as much "I'll show you what I think of your stinkin' monopoly" as it was for the music.

> I'm not knocking Radio Disney - in fact, I have an
> appreciation for what they do. My 5 year old niece wants to
> listen to it every time she's riding with me (I have XM.)

It's hard to get 620 along the major streets because the interference is severe from a poorly managed power grid. So I'd probably get XM out there, too.

> But I don't see my niece asking for a GE Superadio to listen
> to Radio Disney now, 5 years from now or ever.

If it works, she hears it work, it will be "get me that radio that can get Radio Disney". Right after that it will be: get me an iPod. Then "get me XM" so I can hear RD clearer. I tell people about XM and Sirius, but usually the parents monopolize the head unit and the kids don't have access, or there is a backlash against "pay radio".

> As far as I
> know, you can't even buy one locally in Amarillo or Lubbock.

I've seen them. Although I am seeing fewer in Radio Shack than I used to - they may be phasing it out.

> Yes, she may end up going to school with a few techno-geek
> kids that think DXing is fun (I was one of them)

There you go again - marginalizing DX'ers as "techno-geeks". Believe me, the Joe Sixpack that put up a deep fringe TV antenna - not to DX - but just to see that blacked out game, would give you a punch in the mouth for that description.
DX'ing can be a hobby, or merely a means to an end. Programming choice is that end, and that type of DX'er may outnumber the hobbyist DX'er 1000:1.
 
Robbie,

If you haven't done so already, I strongly urge you to relay this stuff to Chuck!

-G.

> > But seriously, Hot 97-3 has a much better presentation
> than
> > 104-9 The Beat. I think it will end up just pushing LLL
> > back to the top, hurting the Beat, and perhaps helping Z
> > (but I'm not so sure about that last one... it could go
> > either way...especially with the upcoming changes. I
> guess
> > we'll have to wait and see. Stay tuned. Exciting huh?
>
> I heard Hot for the first time today while driving through
> to Amarillo. Sounds great overall and will definitely make
> a dent in KBTE.
>
> The only things I would change about it are minor.
>
> First, I'd get over the apparent fear of the word "ass."
> Hot's playing some super clean, poorly edited version of
> Disco Inferno that reverses the word "ass." When The Beat
> has been playing the other version for so long, it doesn't
> do much for Hot's street cred. I heard a few similarly
> over-clean songs on Hot.
>
> Second, someone needs to tighten up the segues and pitch the
> music The Beat pitches. The same songs sound slow and
> draggy on Hot by comparison. It's easy to know which ones
> are pitched on The Beat - when I was programming it, I
> pitched anything I thought Z102 was likely to add 2% so it
> wouldn't sound slow and draggy on The Beat when Z started
> playing it. Pitch the gold and recurrents The Beat pitches.
>
>
> Third - PROCESSING!!! The Beat uses an Omnia 6 with version
> 7 software and a Digit CD exciter. Hot sounds like it's on
> a 2 band Optimod of some sort - probably an 8100, 2200 or
> 8200 with early software. That's like taking a stick to a
> gun fight. If you guys get an Omnia, I'd be more than happy
> to help you set it up - free of charge. I set The Beat's
> processing and it seems to have worked pretty well for them.
> I've developed even better settings since.
>
> Might seem like small details, but paying attention to the
> details is what gets you a 10+ share for your first book.
>
> But all in all guys, it sounds very good. The commercial
> free kickoff was a great idea - one of many I had that The
> Beat's lame management shot down.
>
 
> You sound bitter.
>
Not so much...

I'm actually in a much better place now, and much happier with my situation overall. I'd probably still be there if things had been even 10% better and be missing out on this.

One thing that experience taught me was the value of interviewing your prospective employers carefully.

In fairness, the new owners (the station has since changed owners) did a little housecleaning when they took over and got rid of the biggest problem. My only real problem with the team there currently is that they didn't have the balls to stand up and deal with him at the time.

There's no more demoralizing feeling than being told as a PD that something is a really, really bad idea by your VP of programming and OM but you're going to do it anyway because nobody wants to confront the GM.

Unfortunately, there it was a weekly experience.

That's an environment I never want to work in again.
 
> > You sound bitter.
> >
> Not so much...
>
> I'm actually in a much better place now, and much happier
> with my situation overall. I'd probably still be there if
> things had been even 10% better and be missing out on this.
>
> One thing that experience taught me was the value of
> interviewing your prospective employers carefully.
>
> In fairness, the new owners (the station has since changed
> owners) did a little housecleaning when they took over and
> got rid of the biggest problem. My only real problem with
> the team there currently is that they didn't have the balls
> to stand up and deal with him at the time.
>
> There's no more demoralizing feeling than being told as a PD
> that something is a really, really bad idea by your VP of
> programming and OM but you're going to do it anyway because
> nobody wants to confront the GM.
>
> Unfortunately, there it was a weekly experience.
>
> That's an environment I never want to work in again.

While much of what you say is likely true, the cancer ran much deeper than just the GM. Maybe you should have talked to your peers, (as if they would have told you the truth). It's been over a year now hasn't it? Let it go. Your feelings are known, and known again. No response is needed. It's over.
>
 
> While much of what you say is likely true, the cancer ran
> much deeper than just the GM. Maybe you should have talked
> to your peers, (as if they would have told you the truth).
> It's been over a year now hasn't it? Let it go. Your
> feelings are known, and known again. No response is needed.
> It's over.

This is a chat board dude... That's what it's here for. That's how it works. Someone says something and then someone else responds. If I want to respond - on a chat board - that's certainly my prerogative.

Yes, I have expressed my "feelings" about the situation. Here's some other "feelings" and facts...

Just like everyone else, I have my faults. I think the opinion of the former OM and new OM there is that I'm unmanageable. They probably also think my attitude sucks, and during much of my employment there - it most certainly did.

Both of those things - my unmanageable nature and my poor attiude are directly attributable to one thing - I was being forced to do things that were industrial strength stupid.

This is probably the best example...

http://playahata.com/hatablog/?p=702

Scott Elkins is a former radio DJ and was a small-time, wannabee concert promoter that was operating out of Lubbock. If you read the article (or any of the dozens of similar articles you can find by Googling SCOTT ELKINS PROMOTER) you also know he's now a convicted felon.

So what was he convicted of? Promoting a concert that he never intended to deliver, collecting advance ticket proceeds and skipping town with them in Fargo, ND. He has charges pending for similar scams in a few other cities.

And now, the rest of the story...

Eleven years ago, I was working at KQIZ Amarillo. I was 19 - working at the station, going to school and living with my parents. The PD there decided to change the lineup a bit. I moved to mornings and we hired a new night guy from out of the market - Scott Elkins. My new shift required me to get up at 5AM every day, and I didn't want to disturb the rest of my family - so I decided to move out and get an apartment. My PD suggested getting a two bedroom and splitting the rent with the incoming night guy, and that's what we did.

If only I had some idea of what was coming...

The young and entrepreneureal Mr. Elkins had promoted a series of teen dances in his previous market and had enjoyed some success with them. At the time, I owned a fairly successful mobile DJ service on the side, and partnered with Elkins to produce one. Our deal was that he would front the money for advertising and promotion and do the street work to draw a crowd - I'd provide the gear and show.

Since I essentially just had a little time and the use of my gear invested, I agreed to do my part for $100 in advance and $1 per head over 100. The show was a huge hit (mostly due to Elkins greatly exaggerated promotional claims) and we packed a venue that held 2,500 to capacity.

At the end of the night, Elkins told me we only had 100 people there and basically cheated me out of $2,400 while pocketing over $10,000.

As you might imagine, our relationship as roommates soured pretty quickly. I wanted him out, and he wanted me out but neither wanted to pay the reletting fee. Over the next few weeks, every day he came to me and told me "hey...you know so and so got keyed in the next parking lot over last night" or "hey...I know this girl on the other side of the complex that got her tires slashed last night." This went on for about two weeks, then I went out to my brand new car to go to work and every body panel had been keyed - severely. Every piece of glass too. Over $4,000 in damage was done.

When the officer came to investigate, he asked me if I suspected anyone. I asked the officer if any other vandalism had taken place in the neighborhood recently. He radioed in, and found out that there wasn't any, so yes, I had a suspect for them.

That was pretty much the end of my relationship with Scott Elkins. Not too long after that, he was blown out at KQIZ and ended up at Z102 in Lubbock where he voicetracked a night show into Amarillo on KPRF, which he used to slander me and my mobile DJ business while promoting a new one of his own. I filed a complaint with the FCC for plugola, and that pretty much ended that.

Over the next several years, Mr. Elkins ended up out of radio, producing small shows around West Texas and New Mexico. Newspaper records I found online indicated he had a very bad reputation for promising performers that never showed up. Beyond that, several friends of mine in the staging and concert sound and lighting business were owed thousands upon thousands of dollars by Scott. A sound contractor friend of mine in Amarillo summed it up pretty well when he said "Scott Elkins is the Devil."

Fast forward 9 years. Scott is still doing his thing - over promoting, under delivering and screwing vendors he hired to help him all along the way and I'm the PD at KBTE. He then approaches the station about promoting some hip-hop shows in Lubbock.

I'm sure you can imagine what my reaction was.

If you've actually made it to this point, you're probably wondering why I spent so much time detailing all of this - my long personal history with Scott Elkins, the newpaper articles about his no-show artists, the vendors he owed money to, etc.

Because I detailed all of this to the GM and OM at KBTE - and they decided to do business with Scott Elkins anyway - all to get a $2,000 buy.

What happened next was predictable. Elkins promoted a show with Ice Cube, Lil' Kim, Amanda Perez and several other high-profile artists.

A few weeks into promotion, and after several encounters with Scott that literally made me ill, I was contacted by a record rep who told me Scott's headliners - Ice Cube & Lil' Kim - wouldn't be coming and were NEVER under contract for the show. A little more research with the record rep's help revealed that NONE of the headliners were coming except Amanda Perez.

At that point - given what they knew about Scott's history - and what they knew about the show, I think most GMs and OMs would have pulled the plug on the promotion and started acting in the best interests of their listeners who were clearly being scammed. (Actually, I'm inclined to think this would have never gotten to this point with most GMs and OMs because they would have taken their PD's suggestion and told Elkins to pound sand in the first place.)

Not the upper management at KBTE. Elkins $2,000 meant so much to them, they let it ride until the end - pretty much unhindered. After several days of letting Elkins stall them, they finally made him revise the spot to indicate it was just an Amanda Perez show.

The night of the concert, two virtually unknown local acts went on stage - then the concert ended abruptly. Elkins skipped out with the ticket money and refused to pay Amanda Perez, so naturally she refused to go on stage.

The outrage and backlash from listeners was pretty intense. Unfortunately, the City of Lubbock declined to press charges where the cities of Fargo and Terre Haute (among others) did.

The entire situation was predictable and totally avoidable. It cost me a great deal of time and caused me a lot of undue stress and grief (remember my personal history with Elkins.)

It cost the station its reputation and we did take a small dip in the ratings that book.

It was also my first serious clash with upper management there and pretty much the start of the downward spiral.

And yes, I was pretty "unmanageable" throughout the whole ordeal.

I guess a lot of PDs would have bitten their tongues and gone along with it since upper management dictated it would be so, but I fought back, and fought and fought.

Apparently, they were looking for a PD without any integrity or a conscience - a simple yes man - and I turned out to be a big disappointment for them.
 
Good God. that's crazy. if what you say is true, that's just bad managing plain and simple.some people will do anything for the $1. let me ask you something in regards tothis guy, is this Hollywood, i think that's the name he went by on Z102. is this the same guy?
 
> Good God. that's crazy. if what you say is true, that's just
> bad managing plain and simple.some people will do anything
> for the $1. let me ask you something in regards tothis guy,
> is this Hollywood, i think that's the name he went by on
> Z102. is this the same guy?
>
Yes, I believe he's talking about Hollywood.
And as someone who worked accross the hall from Z102, there's plenty more where that came from.
 
> > Good God. that's crazy. if what you say is true, that's
> just
> > bad managing plain and simple.some people will do anything
>
> > for the $1. let me ask you something in regards tothis
> guy,
> > is this Hollywood, i think that's the name he went by on
> > Z102. is this the same guy?
> >
> Yes, I believe he's talking about Hollywood.
> And as someone who worked accross the hall from Z102,
> there's plenty more where that came from.
>

Yup - Hollywood Haze.

And yeah, this doesn't even scratch the surface about that guy. He has more enemies than anyone I've ever known - and for good reason.
 
> Yup - Hollywood Haze.
>
> And yeah, this doesn't even scratch the surface about that
> guy. He has more enemies than anyone I've ever known - and
> for good reason.
>

Hello Hello Hello Hollywood Hollywood Hollywood What's yo name what's yo name what's yo naaame?
 
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