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Why Is Channel 45 WCWN Reffered to as CW 15?

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MHVRadiofan

Why is WCWN virtual Channel 45 RF 43 referred as CW15? It may have been something else, but what is now WCWN has been on Channe 45 since WMHT, which used the frequency as a secondary channel sold it. At home, I get the NYC channels but at campground, I stay at near Catskill an over the air antenna suffices. I get WCWN on channel 45; also, the CW network lists it as channel 45. So why CW15? I initially channel 15 and came up blank, so this can be confusing to people trying to pick them up with an antenna.
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MusicRadioUSA said:
found this from WCWN TV website...

http://www.cwalbany.com/shared/sports/features/mets/images/mets_tv_schedule.pdf

CW 15 ALBANY IS ON CHANNEL 45 OVER THE AIR AND CHANNEL 15 AND 1816 ON TIME WARNER CABLE
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I suspected that might be the case. Thanks for the information .However not everybody has Time Warner Cable in their service area. For example if I decided to use Mid Hudson Cable at my Catskill location CW would be on Channel 7. Therefore as I asked WCWN in a thus far unanswered e-mail: Why do they do that?
 
MHVRadiofan said:
MusicRadioUSA said:
found this from WCWN TV website...

http://www.cwalbany.com/shared/sports/features/mets/images/mets_tv_schedule.pdf

CW 15 ALBANY IS ON CHANNEL 45 OVER THE AIR AND CHANNEL 15 AND 1816 ON TIME WARNER CABLE
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I suspected that might be the case. Thanks for the information .However not everybody has Time Warner Cable in their service area. For example if I decided to use Mid Hudson Cable at my Catskill location CW would be on Channel 7. Therefore as I asked WCWN in a thus far unanswered e-mail: Why do they do that?
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This is common in markets with high cable penetration where the old analog channel numbers were high up. I don't know why Freedom decided to do that switch post-transition especially since Time Warner's Berkshires systems, Charter in the Berkshires and Columbia County, Comcast in Vermont, and Mid-Hudson Cable don't carry it on 15.

What I find to be odder is why 45, dating back to the WEWB days under Tribune, has merely settled on keeping the cable position of 15 that was inherited from the WMHQ days. I always thought that 5 or 7 would've been a better place on Time Warner for 45.
 
jdb820 said:
This is common in markets with high cable penetration where the old analog channel numbers were high up. I don't know why Freedom decided to do that switch post-transition especially since Time Warner's Berkshires systems, Charter in the Berkshires and Columbia County, Comcast in Vermont, and Mid-Hudson Cable don't carry it on 15.
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These are all on the outskirts of the service area, though. In the core of the region, Time Warner is the dominant service provider and has WCWN on 15 everywhere.

Though I do wonder why they continue to use virtual channel 45. As you mentioned, cable penetration is high here, so there's no reason to maintain the old analog number in the PSIP data. Perhaps I've answered my own question; with cable penetration so high, it is likely that they don't care to change 45.1 to 15.1 to match the on-air branding.


jdb820 said:
What I find to be odder is why 45, dating back to the WEWB days under Tribune, has merely settled on keeping the cable position of 15 that was inherited from the WMHQ days. I always thought that 5 or 7 would've been a better place on Time Warner for 45.
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Is there precedence for convincing cable companies to change the channel positions of broadcast stations?

IMO, the best shot of getting that to happen was when Tribune finally removed WPIX from local cable systems in 2002. They could have had then-WEWB moved to WPIX's slot, which was 2 in most of the area.
 
EmBee said:
Though I do wonder why they continue to use virtual channel 45. As you mentioned, cable penetration is high here, so there's no reason to maintain the old analog number in the PSIP data. Perhaps I've answered my own question; with cable penetration so high, it is likely that they don't care to change 45.1 to 15.1 to match the on-air branding.
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It's also the law: the FCC rules incorporate the ATSC standard in its entirety, and the ATSC standard requires stations to use their former analog channel number as their "major channel number" in PSIP, with a handful of exceptions. (Because WCWN is co-owned with WRGB, it could use "6.x" as its major channel number if it so desired, so WCWN could be "6.15," for instance.)
 
So what does that have to do with CW15? If you look on Analog TV in Albany, you'll find Antenna TV on Channel 15 - which was the former home of "MY 4 Albany" - which should open another video can of worms here on this forum ----

Scott Fybush said:
EmBee said:
Though I do wonder why they continue to use virtual channel 45. As you mentioned, cable penetration is high here, so there's no reason to maintain the old analog number in the PSIP data. Perhaps I've answered my own question; with cable penetration so high, it is likely that they don't care to change 45.1 to 15.1 to match the on-air branding.
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It's also the law: the FCC rules incorporate the ATSC standard in its entirety, and the ATSC standard requires stations to use their former analog channel number as their "major channel number" in PSIP, with a handful of exceptions. (Because WCWN is co-owned with WRGB, it could use "6.x" as its major channel number if it so desired, so WCWN could be "6.15," for instance.)
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It's all about cable tv systems branding of channels.
Since Time Warner is the heavy-weight in the Capital District WCWN is referred to as CW15 since it finds itself of Time Warner channel 15 or 1815 in HD
And My4 is found on channel 4 or 1804 in HD
Just has to do with the cable system since Time Warner is the only cable system in the immediate Albany-Schenectady-Troy area.
Venture technologies who owns WNYA-CA (15) Kinderhook where your finding 'AntennaTV' and WNYA-DT Pittsfield (51) decides what it broadcasts on it's channels.
Now: WNYA-DT 51.1 My Network TV
WNYA-DT 51.2 Antenna TV

WNYA-CA 15 Antenna TV (analog)

Whatever you read or use to find TV programming will show you the over the air broadcast information, unless you have cable or satellite.

May be confusing, but if you understand how it all works and what YOU have to view programming, then you'll say "that's just the way it is".
 
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