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Why Is It That There Are No Christian Oldies Stations?
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Kyle_Hojem
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> I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
Something along the lines of a CCM oldies station is KWVE-FM by Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa on weekends. They are mostly Christian talk during the week. Since Maranatha Music! came from Calvary Chapel, they do play some older songs.
Check out their playlist at the KWVE website:
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> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
Something along the lines of a CCM oldies station is KWVE-FM by Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa on weekends. They are mostly Christian talk during the week. Since Maranatha Music! came from Calvary Chapel, they do play some older songs.
Check out their playlist at the KWVE website:
kwve.org<P ID="signature">______________
Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
Assuming there's somewhat of a "churn rate" among those who would listen to CCM, it's quite possible the interest developed later in life. In other words, if I never attended church and wasn't exposed to "Jesus music" in 1975, I won't remember it as an "oldie" after I've settled down, gotten "saved" and started attending.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
>
> > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
>
> > why no one has tried this yet?
>
> Something along the lines of a CCM oldies station is KWVE-FM
> by Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa on weekends. They are mostly
> Christian talk during the week. Since Maranatha Music! came
> from Calvary Chapel, they do play some older songs.
> Check out their playlist at the KWVE website:
> kwve.org
>
Thank you for the link, however after checking out the playlist, I wonder why there are no stations playing oldies to the like of Petra, Sandi Patti and Michael W. Smith.
>
> > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
>
> > why no one has tried this yet?
>
> Something along the lines of a CCM oldies station is KWVE-FM
> by Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa on weekends. They are mostly
> Christian talk during the week. Since Maranatha Music! came
> from Calvary Chapel, they do play some older songs.
> Check out their playlist at the KWVE website:
> kwve.org
>
Thank you for the link, however after checking out the playlist, I wonder why there are no stations playing oldies to the like of Petra, Sandi Patti and Michael W. Smith.
> Assuming there's somewhat of a "churn rate" among those who
> would listen to CCM, it's quite possible the interest
> developed later in life. In other words, if I never attended
> church and wasn't exposed to "Jesus music" in 1975, I won't
> remember it as an "oldie" after I've settled down, gotten
> "saved" and started attending.
>
I am thinking about the ones who already knew about the music from back then. Is it possible that the earlier listeners do not listen to the radio for CCM anymore?
I remember when Salem had the Fish in Chicago that they were mixing in oldies with the present stuff. I do believe that is another market where Christian Oldies could work.
I could see such a format working predominently in the South and perhaps in the Midwestern sections of the Country as well.
> would listen to CCM, it's quite possible the interest
> developed later in life. In other words, if I never attended
> church and wasn't exposed to "Jesus music" in 1975, I won't
> remember it as an "oldie" after I've settled down, gotten
> "saved" and started attending.
>
I am thinking about the ones who already knew about the music from back then. Is it possible that the earlier listeners do not listen to the radio for CCM anymore?
I remember when Salem had the Fish in Chicago that they were mixing in oldies with the present stuff. I do believe that is another market where Christian Oldies could work.
I could see such a format working predominently in the South and perhaps in the Midwestern sections of the Country as well.
> I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
>
I became a Christian in February, 1974, so for me personally it would be great to hear some of the songs that were popular back then. I suspect however that many of those songs, even by major artists like Dallas Holm, Imperials, Randy Matthews and others, are no longer available. Especially not available on CD. And like someone else stated, people are continually coming to know Jesus. For them they probably have never heard of CCM til now.
> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
>
I became a Christian in February, 1974, so for me personally it would be great to hear some of the songs that were popular back then. I suspect however that many of those songs, even by major artists like Dallas Holm, Imperials, Randy Matthews and others, are no longer available. Especially not available on CD. And like someone else stated, people are continually coming to know Jesus. For them they probably have never heard of CCM til now.
> > I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
>
> > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
>
> > why no one has tried this yet?
> >
> I became a Christian in February, 1974, so for me personally
> it would be great to hear some of the songs that were
> popular back then. I suspect however that many of those
> songs, even by major artists like Dallas Holm, Imperials,
> Randy Matthews and others, are no longer available.
And there's the rub, out of print CCM hindering the prospect of the format. However with that said, some stuff is still available and there's got to be a passionate music lover who has a vast album collection that wouldn't mind putting it on the air.
>
> > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
>
> > why no one has tried this yet?
> >
> I became a Christian in February, 1974, so for me personally
> it would be great to hear some of the songs that were
> popular back then. I suspect however that many of those
> songs, even by major artists like Dallas Holm, Imperials,
> Randy Matthews and others, are no longer available.
And there's the rub, out of print CCM hindering the prospect of the format. However with that said, some stuff is still available and there's got to be a passionate music lover who has a vast album collection that wouldn't mind putting it on the air.
> I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
>
I used to do a show on a local AM every Saturday afternoon that I called
"The Best Christian Music of All Time." Because there were several
hundred albums there plus all of the CDs from the 89s and 90s, I played
a lot of the kind of music you are talking about. This show had a
decent audience and was usually spnsored (but I had to go sell it
myself.) It ran from late 1997 until 2001, when the station went
to a different format, all Christian talk.
I've been seriously thinking about bringing this music back on a part-time
basis on my Internet radio station as I have now acquired the music library of the above-mentioned AM station. There is all kinds of older music there..The
Archers, Leslie Phillips, Michele Pillar, Steve Camp, Whiteheart, etc..even
some good Sandi Patti from the mid 80s.
We do not have a good local CCM station here anymore, so maybe things are getting to the point where I will re-launch my show.
My internet station, incidentally, suffered some lightning damage three times this summer with the Florida storms. My stream is up from 8am to 8:30 pm EST
with my mostly classic country format. It is on a borrowed computer but I expect my new computer and replacement parts to come in this weekend. It really got blasted from a couple of thunderstorms, even with surge protection.
But, back to the point..I think there IS a market, but it is a relatively small core as many people do not remember those songs. I do remember, and really like them. I want to get this music back on the air soon, even if for only a part
of the broadcast day.<P ID="signature">______________
Proudly remembering the days of the hometown "country giant" radio stations now at
http://www.live365.com/stations/alanmccall</P>
> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
>
I used to do a show on a local AM every Saturday afternoon that I called
"The Best Christian Music of All Time." Because there were several
hundred albums there plus all of the CDs from the 89s and 90s, I played
a lot of the kind of music you are talking about. This show had a
decent audience and was usually spnsored (but I had to go sell it
myself.) It ran from late 1997 until 2001, when the station went
to a different format, all Christian talk.
I've been seriously thinking about bringing this music back on a part-time
basis on my Internet radio station as I have now acquired the music library of the above-mentioned AM station. There is all kinds of older music there..The
Archers, Leslie Phillips, Michele Pillar, Steve Camp, Whiteheart, etc..even
some good Sandi Patti from the mid 80s.
We do not have a good local CCM station here anymore, so maybe things are getting to the point where I will re-launch my show.
My internet station, incidentally, suffered some lightning damage three times this summer with the Florida storms. My stream is up from 8am to 8:30 pm EST
with my mostly classic country format. It is on a borrowed computer but I expect my new computer and replacement parts to come in this weekend. It really got blasted from a couple of thunderstorms, even with surge protection.
But, back to the point..I think there IS a market, but it is a relatively small core as many people do not remember those songs. I do remember, and really like them. I want to get this music back on the air soon, even if for only a part
of the broadcast day.<P ID="signature">______________
Proudly remembering the days of the hometown "country giant" radio stations now at
http://www.live365.com/stations/alanmccall</P>
> > I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
>
> > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
>
> > why no one has tried this yet?
> >
> I used to do a show on a local AM every Saturday afternoon
> that I called
> "The Best Christian Music of All Time." Because there were
> several
> hundred albums there plus all of the CDs from the 89s and
> 90s, I played
> a lot of the kind of music you are talking about. This show
> had a
> decent audience and was usually spnsored (but I had to go
> sell it
> myself.) It ran from late 1997 until 2001, when the station
> went
> to a different format, all Christian talk.
>
> I've been seriously thinking about bringing this music back
> on a part-time
> basis on my Internet radio station as I have now acquired
> the music library of the above-mentioned AM station. There
> is all kinds of older music there..The
> Archers, Leslie Phillips, Michele Pillar, Steve Camp,
> Whiteheart, etc..even
> some good Sandi Patti from the mid 80s.
>
> We do not have a good local CCM station here anymore, so
> maybe things are getting to the point where I will re-launch
> my show.
>
> My internet station, incidentally, suffered some lightning
> damage three times this summer with the Florida storms. My
> stream is up from 8am to 8:30 pm EST
> with my mostly classic country format. It is on a borrowed
> computer but I expect my new computer and replacement parts
> to come in this weekend. It really got blasted from a couple
> of thunderstorms, even with surge protection.
>
> But, back to the point..I think there IS a market, but it is
> a relatively small core as many people do not remember those
> songs. I do remember, and really like them. I want to get
> this music back on the air soon, even if for only a part
> of the broadcast day.
>
Please keep me posted if you do, although my computer is not working properly with internet streams at the moment.
>
> > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
>
> > why no one has tried this yet?
> >
> I used to do a show on a local AM every Saturday afternoon
> that I called
> "The Best Christian Music of All Time." Because there were
> several
> hundred albums there plus all of the CDs from the 89s and
> 90s, I played
> a lot of the kind of music you are talking about. This show
> had a
> decent audience and was usually spnsored (but I had to go
> sell it
> myself.) It ran from late 1997 until 2001, when the station
> went
> to a different format, all Christian talk.
>
> I've been seriously thinking about bringing this music back
> on a part-time
> basis on my Internet radio station as I have now acquired
> the music library of the above-mentioned AM station. There
> is all kinds of older music there..The
> Archers, Leslie Phillips, Michele Pillar, Steve Camp,
> Whiteheart, etc..even
> some good Sandi Patti from the mid 80s.
>
> We do not have a good local CCM station here anymore, so
> maybe things are getting to the point where I will re-launch
> my show.
>
> My internet station, incidentally, suffered some lightning
> damage three times this summer with the Florida storms. My
> stream is up from 8am to 8:30 pm EST
> with my mostly classic country format. It is on a borrowed
> computer but I expect my new computer and replacement parts
> to come in this weekend. It really got blasted from a couple
> of thunderstorms, even with surge protection.
>
> But, back to the point..I think there IS a market, but it is
> a relatively small core as many people do not remember those
> songs. I do remember, and really like them. I want to get
> this music back on the air soon, even if for only a part
> of the broadcast day.
>
Please keep me posted if you do, although my computer is not working properly with internet streams at the moment.
> > > I would think with CCM being around since at least the
> mid
> >
> > > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as
> to
> >
> > > why no one has tried this yet?
> > >
> > I became a Christian in February, 1974, so for me
> personally
> > it would be great to hear some of the songs that were
> > popular back then. I suspect however that many of those
> > songs, even by major artists like Dallas Holm, Imperials,
> > Randy Matthews and others, are no longer available.
>
> And there's the rub, out of print CCM hindering the prospect
> of the format. However with that said, some stuff is still
> available and there's got to be a passionate music lover who
> has a vast album collection that wouldn't mind putting it on
> the air.
The more of this thread I read, the more certain I am that I should
go the re-launch I mentioned in my post just above. Tons of this music is
out of print. I WILL post updates as thnings progress.
Retro, I think your post was very timely for me!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Proudly remembering the days of the hometown "country giant" radio stations now at
http://www.live365.com/stations/alanmccall</P>
> mid
> >
> > > seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> > > especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as
> to
> >
> > > why no one has tried this yet?
> > >
> > I became a Christian in February, 1974, so for me
> personally
> > it would be great to hear some of the songs that were
> > popular back then. I suspect however that many of those
> > songs, even by major artists like Dallas Holm, Imperials,
> > Randy Matthews and others, are no longer available.
>
> And there's the rub, out of print CCM hindering the prospect
> of the format. However with that said, some stuff is still
> available and there's got to be a passionate music lover who
> has a vast album collection that wouldn't mind putting it on
> the air.
The more of this thread I read, the more certain I am that I should
go the re-launch I mentioned in my post just above. Tons of this music is
out of print. I WILL post updates as thnings progress.
Retro, I think your post was very timely for me!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Proudly remembering the days of the hometown "country giant" radio stations now at
http://www.live365.com/stations/alanmccall</P>
G
GaryThompson
Guest
CCM Oldies? Ask Jon Hull
I think I remember Jon Hull, VP of operations at KSBJ in Houston answering this question on this board last year.
But here's what I think is the culprit. THREE WORDS: NO MASS FAMILIARITY.
I saw a statistic recently. I have no idea where this stat came from. And it may be incorrect and non-scientific. I'm only repeating what I heard. But the point remains intact.
The stat stated that in the early to mid-eighties, there were approximately 100,000 people nationwide who listened nearly exclusively to contemporary Christian music. In other words, these were the hard-core CCM P1's of that era.
This stat doesn't reflect those who were exposed to it or listened to it once in awhile. It just takes into account those who listened nearly ONLY to CCM in the mid-eighties. Based on that stat, I can see why there aren't any CCM oldies stations around. THERE'S NOT THE REQUIRED MASS FAMILIARITY WITH THE SONGS FROM THAT ERA.
Now, 20 years from NOW, you may be talking a different viability on CCM oldies. Just ask Jon Hull at KSBJ. They've got about half a million hardcore CCM fans in Houston alone now.
> I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
>
I think I remember Jon Hull, VP of operations at KSBJ in Houston answering this question on this board last year.
But here's what I think is the culprit. THREE WORDS: NO MASS FAMILIARITY.
I saw a statistic recently. I have no idea where this stat came from. And it may be incorrect and non-scientific. I'm only repeating what I heard. But the point remains intact.
The stat stated that in the early to mid-eighties, there were approximately 100,000 people nationwide who listened nearly exclusively to contemporary Christian music. In other words, these were the hard-core CCM P1's of that era.
This stat doesn't reflect those who were exposed to it or listened to it once in awhile. It just takes into account those who listened nearly ONLY to CCM in the mid-eighties. Based on that stat, I can see why there aren't any CCM oldies stations around. THERE'S NOT THE REQUIRED MASS FAMILIARITY WITH THE SONGS FROM THAT ERA.
Now, 20 years from NOW, you may be talking a different viability on CCM oldies. Just ask Jon Hull at KSBJ. They've got about half a million hardcore CCM fans in Houston alone now.
> I would think with CCM being around since at least the mid
> seventies that there would be a market for this, but
> especially in cities such as Nashville. Any thoughts as to
> why no one has tried this yet?
>
C
ccmfan
Guest
> > Assuming there's somewhat of a "churn rate" among those
> who
> > would listen to CCM, it's quite possible the interest
> > developed later in life. In other words, if I never
> attended
> > church and wasn't exposed to "Jesus music" in 1975, I
> won't
> > remember it as an "oldie" after I've settled down, gotten
> > "saved" and started attending.
> >
>
> I am thinking about the ones who already knew about the
> music from back then. Is it possible that the earlier
> listeners do not listen to the radio for CCM anymore?
>
> I remember when Salem had the Fish in Chicago that they were
> mixing in oldies with the present stuff. I do believe that
> is another market where Christian Oldies could work.
>
> I could see such a format working predominently in the South
> and perhaps in the Midwestern sections of the Country as
> well.
>
For a while KSUD AM 730 in West Memphis, AR played mostly 80's and early 90's CCM (Kind of a semi-classic CCM format I guess) after they had been bought by K-LOVE and before they started carrying the regular K-LOVE feed.
I discovered CCM in the late 70's on my own, despite it being hard or impossible to find on the radio and opposed in many churches in my area in the early years. At the time it was only avaliable on low power stations in Memphis or Nashville, and no other Christian stations would touch it. It wasn't until the last 5 to 10 years that CCM started to gain acceptance because of satellite networks like WAY-FM and K-LOVE coming into the area. Also, it wasn't until the past couple of years that we've actually had any kind of local CCM station, so for most people in my area the only type of CCM they know is what has been available in the last 5 to 10 years. Most of them know very little or nothing about the CCM of the 70's or 80's.
I think that weekend shows (what few there are) and Internet stations may be the best options for classic CCM.
> who
> > would listen to CCM, it's quite possible the interest
> > developed later in life. In other words, if I never
> attended
> > church and wasn't exposed to "Jesus music" in 1975, I
> won't
> > remember it as an "oldie" after I've settled down, gotten
> > "saved" and started attending.
> >
>
> I am thinking about the ones who already knew about the
> music from back then. Is it possible that the earlier
> listeners do not listen to the radio for CCM anymore?
>
> I remember when Salem had the Fish in Chicago that they were
> mixing in oldies with the present stuff. I do believe that
> is another market where Christian Oldies could work.
>
> I could see such a format working predominently in the South
> and perhaps in the Midwestern sections of the Country as
> well.
>
For a while KSUD AM 730 in West Memphis, AR played mostly 80's and early 90's CCM (Kind of a semi-classic CCM format I guess) after they had been bought by K-LOVE and before they started carrying the regular K-LOVE feed.
I discovered CCM in the late 70's on my own, despite it being hard or impossible to find on the radio and opposed in many churches in my area in the early years. At the time it was only avaliable on low power stations in Memphis or Nashville, and no other Christian stations would touch it. It wasn't until the last 5 to 10 years that CCM started to gain acceptance because of satellite networks like WAY-FM and K-LOVE coming into the area. Also, it wasn't until the past couple of years that we've actually had any kind of local CCM station, so for most people in my area the only type of CCM they know is what has been available in the last 5 to 10 years. Most of them know very little or nothing about the CCM of the 70's or 80's.
I think that weekend shows (what few there are) and Internet stations may be the best options for classic CCM.
>You might call it something more like "reintroduceing the roots of CCM."
So many haven't ever heard the older stuff, that it wouldn't register as "oldies". Good music is always good music. I would be interested in running your "CCM Oldies" show on my Part 15 which is sort of a "Alternative Christian Variety" Country, Bluegrass, Blues, Celtic mix. I will keep watch for further developments.
Tim
<P ID="signature">______________
Gospel Life Broadcasting</P>
So many haven't ever heard the older stuff, that it wouldn't register as "oldies". Good music is always good music. I would be interested in running your "CCM Oldies" show on my Part 15 which is sort of a "Alternative Christian Variety" Country, Bluegrass, Blues, Celtic mix. I will keep watch for further developments.
Tim
<P ID="signature">______________
Gospel Life Broadcasting</P>
P
Passafist
Guest
Hmm.. I think the real rub is that a lot of the Old classics sound really dated. I remember listening to "Steve Green's THE MISSION" a few weeks back. A great song of the faith that was an essential on Christian Radio throughout most of the 80's and 90's all I could think was that it was a badly produced and dated track. New CCM tracks have improved in production and sound fidelity so much, that the classics sound poor by comparison. This problem really didn't begin to fix itself until the early to mid 90's when Michael W. Smith, Kathy Troccoli, and others began getting better producers, and mainstream exposure. Most songs pre-1996 would not fit right next to most modern CCM music. They're are som great exceptions, why more stations aren't playing most of the cuts off Phil Keaggy's Chrimson and Blue and True Believer is beyond me. Alas, while I would enjoy the songs I think in the end they would not make a good station better.
During the period of 1996-1999, there were two FM Christian music stations in Louisville, Kentucky (WJIE-FM 88.5 and WXLN-FM 105.1). WJIE was your standard listener-supported CCM station and WXLN played softer Christian music from the 70s, 80s and 90s, mixed with a few current praise music. Their motto was "Soft Christian Favorites." WXLN averaged about a 1.5 with the 12 and up overall listeners and eventually in 1997 WJIE added a Christian Oldies hour on Saturday and Sundays at 6pm. It seems that there was a market for the Christian Oldies music. Unfortunately, things changed in 1999 when Salem entered the Louisville market with a CCM station at WRVI-FM 105.9 and a Christian Talk/Praise station at WLSY-FM 94.7 (now WFIA-FM 94.7). When Salem entered the market, the owners of WXLN-FM 105.1 thought that the Christian radio audience was overserved and decided to sell Soft Christian Favorites WXLN-FM 105.1 to another company who changed the format to Alternative Rock. Also, WJIE-FM dropped it's Christian Oldies hour and is now basically playing CCM around the clock to better compete with Salem's WRVI-FM.
> Hmm.. I think the real rub is that a lot of the Old classics
> sound really dated. I remember listening to "Steve Green's
> THE MISSION" a few weeks back. A great song of the faith
> that was an essential on Christian Radio throughout most of
> the 80's and 90's all I could think was that it was a badly
> produced and dated track.
Sadly, I have to agree with you. I loved First Call's first album when it first came out. I found the cassette of that album a few years ago and popped it in my car's radio (as I have no cassette players in my home now!) I couldn't bear to go through the first side completely. The production was done so cheaply, with all the backing tracks done solely on synthesizers, that it was almost literally painful to listen to the tape.
Now some of the early CCM albums... from such as Love Song, Sweet Comfort Band and the Imperials... had good production quality, IIRC, but I fear that in the rush to get more artists out in the 80s and early 90s that quality went out the window in favor of speed. It reminds me of the saying we used to have at the cable L.O. station I used to work at: "Fast, Cheap, Good: Pick any two."<P ID="signature">______________
"Radio is like musical chairs. When the music stops, I sit down and say something."</P>
> sound really dated. I remember listening to "Steve Green's
> THE MISSION" a few weeks back. A great song of the faith
> that was an essential on Christian Radio throughout most of
> the 80's and 90's all I could think was that it was a badly
> produced and dated track.
Sadly, I have to agree with you. I loved First Call's first album when it first came out. I found the cassette of that album a few years ago and popped it in my car's radio (as I have no cassette players in my home now!) I couldn't bear to go through the first side completely. The production was done so cheaply, with all the backing tracks done solely on synthesizers, that it was almost literally painful to listen to the tape.
Now some of the early CCM albums... from such as Love Song, Sweet Comfort Band and the Imperials... had good production quality, IIRC, but I fear that in the rush to get more artists out in the 80s and early 90s that quality went out the window in favor of speed. It reminds me of the saying we used to have at the cable L.O. station I used to work at: "Fast, Cheap, Good: Pick any two."<P ID="signature">______________
"Radio is like musical chairs. When the music stops, I sit down and say something."</P>
If your ever in Chicago on Fridays, listen to Prime Time Chicago on WMBI (90.1FM) they have their "Retro Top 3 @ 3" and they said its anything that is up until 1990. I guess you go on their webpage to vote? I just caught the tail end of the Retro today so I'm not sure.
> During the period of 1996-1999, there were two FM Christian
> music stations in Louisville, Kentucky (WJIE-FM 88.5 and
> WXLN-FM 105.1). WJIE was your standard listener-supported
> CCM station and WXLN played softer Christian music from the
> 70s, 80s and 90s, mixed with a few current praise music.
> Their motto was "Soft Christian Favorites." WXLN averaged
> about a 1.5 with the 12 and up overall listeners and
> eventually in 1997 WJIE added a Christian Oldies hour on
> Saturday and Sundays at 6pm. It seems that there was a
> market for the Christian Oldies music. Unfortunately,
> things changed in 1999 when Salem entered the Louisville
> market with a CCM station at WRVI-FM 105.9 and a Christian
> Talk/Praise station at WLSY-FM 94.7 (now WFIA-FM 94.7).
> When Salem entered the market, the owners of WXLN-FM 105.1
> thought that the Christian radio audience was overserved and
> decided to sell Soft Christian Favorites WXLN-FM 105.1 to
> another company who changed the format to Alternative Rock.
> Also, WJIE-FM dropped it's Christian Oldies hour and is now
> basically playing CCM around the clock to better compete
> with Salem's WRVI-FM.
>
> During the period of 1996-1999, there were two FM Christian
> music stations in Louisville, Kentucky (WJIE-FM 88.5 and
> WXLN-FM 105.1). WJIE was your standard listener-supported
> CCM station and WXLN played softer Christian music from the
> 70s, 80s and 90s, mixed with a few current praise music.
> Their motto was "Soft Christian Favorites." WXLN averaged
> about a 1.5 with the 12 and up overall listeners and
> eventually in 1997 WJIE added a Christian Oldies hour on
> Saturday and Sundays at 6pm. It seems that there was a
> market for the Christian Oldies music. Unfortunately,
> things changed in 1999 when Salem entered the Louisville
> market with a CCM station at WRVI-FM 105.9 and a Christian
> Talk/Praise station at WLSY-FM 94.7 (now WFIA-FM 94.7).
> When Salem entered the market, the owners of WXLN-FM 105.1
> thought that the Christian radio audience was overserved and
> decided to sell Soft Christian Favorites WXLN-FM 105.1 to
> another company who changed the format to Alternative Rock.
> Also, WJIE-FM dropped it's Christian Oldies hour and is now
> basically playing CCM around the clock to better compete
> with Salem's WRVI-FM.
>
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> If your ever in Chicago on Fridays, listen to Prime Time
> Chicago on WMBI (90.1FM) they have their "Retro Top 3 @ 3"
> and they said its anything that is up until 1990. I guess
> you go on their webpage to vote? I just caught the tail end
> of the Retro today so I'm not sure.
Doesn't it seem odd that a station that wouldn't play CCM in the 80's and still does very little with current CCM would do a show with older CCM now? Actually WNKJ 89.3 in Hopkinsville, KY, a station that carries a lot of programming from Moody and mostly traditional music, did the same kind of thing with a Saturday night classic CCM show a few years back, although I don't know if they do it now or not.
> Chicago on WMBI (90.1FM) they have their "Retro Top 3 @ 3"
> and they said its anything that is up until 1990. I guess
> you go on their webpage to vote? I just caught the tail end
> of the Retro today so I'm not sure.
Doesn't it seem odd that a station that wouldn't play CCM in the 80's and still does very little with current CCM would do a show with older CCM now? Actually WNKJ 89.3 in Hopkinsville, KY, a station that carries a lot of programming from Moody and mostly traditional music, did the same kind of thing with a Saturday night classic CCM show a few years back, although I don't know if they do it now or not.
Couple of thoughts....
When I was in CCM Radio, beginning in the late 80's, our station actually did an hour of "oldies" at 10pm weeknights (though the term oldies hardly sufficed, as a song from two years previous could be lumped in that category)
I agree wholeheartedly with an earlier post regarding the quality of much of CCM from the period of, say, 1985 to 1997. Most of it, no, doesn't fit the genre's music of 2005. But the music should definitely live on!!!
I do not see anyone being able to operate a viable CCM Oldies format on terrestrial radio. It would be great, though, if one could be found online. I listen to Live365.com alot, and they only have only CCM Oldies station that I can find, and it's mostly 70's-based.
I mean, if you had traveled with me in my van recently you were have heard:
Chaperone---Lisa Bevill
The Father Hath Provided--Larnelle Harris
Luv is a Verb and Word to the Father----DC Talk
Father, Father and Have a Talk With God----Jon Gibson
That was good stuff. It does my heart good to hear my 13 year old son and 8 year old daughter kickin' it old school; down wit da DC Talk.
When I was in CCM Radio, beginning in the late 80's, our station actually did an hour of "oldies" at 10pm weeknights (though the term oldies hardly sufficed, as a song from two years previous could be lumped in that category)
I agree wholeheartedly with an earlier post regarding the quality of much of CCM from the period of, say, 1985 to 1997. Most of it, no, doesn't fit the genre's music of 2005. But the music should definitely live on!!!
I do not see anyone being able to operate a viable CCM Oldies format on terrestrial radio. It would be great, though, if one could be found online. I listen to Live365.com alot, and they only have only CCM Oldies station that I can find, and it's mostly 70's-based.
I mean, if you had traveled with me in my van recently you were have heard:
Chaperone---Lisa Bevill
The Father Hath Provided--Larnelle Harris
Luv is a Verb and Word to the Father----DC Talk
Father, Father and Have a Talk With God----Jon Gibson
That was good stuff. It does my heart good to hear my 13 year old son and 8 year old daughter kickin' it old school; down wit da DC Talk.
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> Couple of thoughts....
>
> When I was in CCM Radio, beginning in the late 80's, our
> station actually did an hour of "oldies" at 10pm weeknights
> (though the term oldies hardly sufficed, as a song from two
> years previous could be lumped in that category)
>
> I agree wholeheartedly with an earlier post regarding the
> quality of much of CCM from the period of, say, 1985 to
> 1997. Most of it, no, doesn't fit the genre's music of
> 2005. But the music should definitely live on!!!
>
> I do not see anyone being able to operate a viable CCM
> Oldies format on terrestrial radio. It would be great,
> though, if one could be found online. I listen to
> Live365.com alot, and they only have only CCM Oldies station
> that I can find, and it's mostly 70's-based.
>
> I mean, if you had traveled with me in my van recently you
> were have heard:
>
> Chaperone---Lisa Bevill
> The Father Hath Provided--Larnelle Harris
> Luv is a Verb and Word to the Father----DC Talk
> Father, Father and Have a Talk With God----Jon Gibson
>
> That was good stuff. It does my heart good to hear my 13
> year old son and 8 year old daughter kickin' it old school;
> down wit da DC Talk.
>
Now, a few of those are good selections, particularly Jon Gibson's stuff. I am hearing a few of you saying that the quality of older CCM is not all that great, I have to disagree.
Maybe todays quality makes the oldies pale in comparasion, however the Fish in Chicago regularly played Christian AC Oldies, and they seemed consistent with the stations sound and image.
What about stuff by Charlie Peacock or the Choir? That could work out pretty well. How about Kim Boyce? These are just a few artists that I can think of that have decent quality for Christian oldies, and lets not forget everybody's favorite, Amy Grant. How about Petra? I could just keep going on and on.
> Couple of thoughts....
>
> When I was in CCM Radio, beginning in the late 80's, our
> station actually did an hour of "oldies" at 10pm weeknights
> (though the term oldies hardly sufficed, as a song from two
> years previous could be lumped in that category)
>
> I agree wholeheartedly with an earlier post regarding the
> quality of much of CCM from the period of, say, 1985 to
> 1997. Most of it, no, doesn't fit the genre's music of
> 2005. But the music should definitely live on!!!
>
> I do not see anyone being able to operate a viable CCM
> Oldies format on terrestrial radio. It would be great,
> though, if one could be found online. I listen to
> Live365.com alot, and they only have only CCM Oldies station
> that I can find, and it's mostly 70's-based.
>
> I mean, if you had traveled with me in my van recently you
> were have heard:
>
> Chaperone---Lisa Bevill
> The Father Hath Provided--Larnelle Harris
> Luv is a Verb and Word to the Father----DC Talk
> Father, Father and Have a Talk With God----Jon Gibson
>
> That was good stuff. It does my heart good to hear my 13
> year old son and 8 year old daughter kickin' it old school;
> down wit da DC Talk.
>
Now, a few of those are good selections, particularly Jon Gibson's stuff. I am hearing a few of you saying that the quality of older CCM is not all that great, I have to disagree.
Maybe todays quality makes the oldies pale in comparasion, however the Fish in Chicago regularly played Christian AC Oldies, and they seemed consistent with the stations sound and image.
What about stuff by Charlie Peacock or the Choir? That could work out pretty well. How about Kim Boyce? These are just a few artists that I can think of that have decent quality for Christian oldies, and lets not forget everybody's favorite, Amy Grant. How about Petra? I could just keep going on and on.
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