Why is KIIS-FM ignoring "Tonight, Tonight"?

[musicman3355]

It's not being played on the station at all (however it's on sister hot AC 104.3 MYfm), and I know KIIS is rhythmic-leaning, but I see other rhythmic-leaning stations like sister Channel 933 San Diego, 99.7 Now SF and 98.5 KLUC Las Vegas playing this song. Even 92.3 NOW in NY is playing it! I really don't get how one of the biggest stations in the country is ignoring a top 10 hit that's on the Billboard charts. Ridculous. :-\

 

[CHRles]

102.7 KIIS-FM is an ultra successful radio station, not a radio group (which differentiates this discussion from the Cumulus one). It's usually the top billing radio station in the world. The music mix, unlike with Cumulus stations, is truly customized for its listeners.
The station just added One Republic's "Good Life" this week, but it has been an early supporter of Foster The People and Coldplay.
KIIS-FM's main rival, 97.1 Amp Radio, isn't playing Hot Chelle Rae either. Nor is it playing One Republic, Foster The People, nor Coldplay.

 

[atlantaboy]

Guitar-rock doesn't test well with Hispanic audiences, so to me KIIS is completely justified - plus, it's nothing new - they've been "ignoring" huge guitar-based pop hits, even #1 pop hits, for almost a decade, and they've continued to top their market

IMO someone posted a really good point a few weeks back, explaining that the same guitar-rock hits than KIIS usually "ignores" all tested poorly in Hispanic countries, so KIIS isn't just getting this "no guitar" idea out of thin air

 

[atlantaboy]

102.7 KIIS-FM is an ultra successful radio station

And so is Q100 - can you be the least bit objective and not continuously worship rhythmic-leaning stations and bash Hot AC-leaning ones?

 

[wdb2003]

Well KIIS FM is the Top billing CHR radio station in the US and alot of CHR stations are inspired by them. Cant stand Seacrast in the morning but the music is on point.

 

[CHRles]

102.7 KIIS-FM is an ultra successful radio station

And so is Q100 - can you be the least bit objective and not continuously worship rhythmic-leaning stations and bash Hot AC-leaning ones?

Can you be the least bit objective when it comes to Cumulus and Q-100???

 

[atlantaboy]

102.7 KIIS-FM is an ultra successful radio station

And so is Q100 - can you be the least bit objective and not continuously worship rhythmic-leaning stations and bash Hot AC-leaning ones?

Can you be the least bit objective when it comes to Cumulus and Q-100???

I mean, I just backed up KIIS even though I wouldn't be caught dead listening to their station - but I think the programming decisions there have been spot on, and their ratings have shown it

Honestly, it's revolting to me though how people come on here and call KIIS "inspirational" (lol) and then spend 25 pages bashing Q100 - they are both extremely successful stations - the only difference is that KIIS happens to be in a huge market, so they have huge billing numbers -

I also think it's funny how Clear Channel sets up many of its other stations partially based on KIIS's playlist, and the reponse from this board is that KIIS is being "inspirational" to other stations - but when Cumulus does the same thing with Q100, it's being fascist :

I wonder how many people on this board work for Clear Channel, and are threatened by Cumulus...hmmm...

 

[justpassingthough]

I certainly wouldn't refer to KIIS as "inspirational" as that seems a little overblown. I think influential may be a better term. Without getting into a debate over CC v. Cumulus- or any two individual stations versus each other. I think the reverence to KIIS speaks to the influence it has over CHR. Being a nearly 30 year old station that has topped the #1 radio market for almost three decades- coupled with the fact that is in LA- means its going to have strong influence over what other CHRs play.

As you have said yourself, Cumulus is a conservative company (when it comes to programming) and it generally runs stations in more conservative markets. KIIS, given its market, is going to be a taste maker. Its in the epicenter of pop culture, in a fairly liberal market, in one of the most diverse cities in the world- so people are going to look to it for what's new, fresh, and hip over looking to a CHR in a city like Jacksonville, FL.

What CHR station do you think celebrities, musicians, etc hear more than any other station? If Britney Spears is listening to pop on the radio, its more than likely she is listening to KIIS, because she lives in Los Angeles- so what they program will have an effect on what is deemed culturally relevant.

 

[MattHollidaye OnAir]

I definitely don't consider KIIS as "inspirational"....they didn't inspie me to do anything LOL But if anything, they do have a MAJOR influence over other Clear Channel-owned stations....basically what justpassingthrough touched on.

To add to it, most (if not all) of KIIS-FM's jocks are voice-tracked to other stations across the country (like Ryan Seacrest voice-tracked on stations like Chicago, Boy Toy Jesse formerly voice-tracked on WKQI during the overnight hours, etc.), more or less the same way how Billy Bush and The Bert Show is simulcast across several Cumulus-owned CHR stations.

 

[CHRles]

KIIS-FM's influence extends well beyond CC owned stations. You've got radio companies and stations across the US, Canada, and pretty much the entire world monitoring what works at KIIS-FM.
Additionally, shows like On Air with Ryan Seacrest air on a lot of non-CC owned stations.

Atlantaboy has a real hard on for Hot AC leaning CHRs, or CHRs that lean Rock, or for Q-100. He's a fan of some good Pop and Rock/Pop records, especially the quality stuff with decent lyrics. On a personal note I applaud that and am glad some CHRs fans dig those types of records.
The problem is that he's not a big fan of LMFAO, Nicky Minaj, B.E.P., and a lot of other Rhythmic/Pop leaning music that has come to define CHR radio worldwide in recent years.

The music's not as disposable as he thinks. A lot of stations are still playing "I Gotta Feeling" by the Peas, or "Like A G6" by the Far East Movement, or Edward Maya's "Stereo Love".

As for me, I've got plenty of CHRs that I love listening to both inside and outside the US.

 

[atlantaboy]

I definitely don't consider KIIS as "inspirational"....they didn't inspie me to do anything LOL But if anything, they do have a MAJOR influence over other Clear Channel-owned stations

Definitely agree with that - I just think it's crazy that people seem to be praising Clear Channel for programming lots of other stations similar to KIIS, but when Cumulus does the same thing with Q100 it's fascist or something lol

 

[atlantaboy]

Atlantaboy has a real hard on for Hot AC leaning CHRs, or CHRs that lean Rock, or for Q-100. He's a fan of some good Pop and Rock/Pop records, especially the quality stuff with decent lyrics. On a personal note I applaud that and am glad some CHRs fans dig those types of records.
The problem is that he's not a big fan of LMFAO, Nicky Minaj, B.E.P., and a lot of other Rhythmic/Pop leaning music that has come to define CHR radio worldwide in recent years.

Once again (I thought I already posted this once), I've applauded KIIS, Kiss 108, Kiss Dallas, and many other rhythmic-leaning CHRs and defended the fact that they lean rhythmic

CHRies - you, on the other hand, operate under the assumption that every CHR in the country should lean rhythmic, cause that's the music you listen to, and constantly post that you're into (dance remixes of this, dance remixes of that, etc.) - I don't think I've ever read anything positive from you about an adult-leaning CHR

And BTW the first sentence of your post isn't really appropriate for this board... :

 

[Wildstyle K]

Sometimes I wonder; If KIIS had a different PD or MD, would that other PD or MD decide to use certain songs that the current one decides to pass on? I've always believed that no two PD's or MD's think precisely alike and would always do something differently to a degree. Did KIIS ever play Sik Puppies? I remember KZZP did for a short time. KRQ seems to have more musical balance than Phoenix's KZZP, and KZZP seems to be more musically balanced than KIIS. I wonder how the Phoenix PD o MD would program KIIS if he moved? I notice that almost every time MD's or PD's move around, there is always some level of tweakage that follows, musically, which leads me to believe every pd / md does what they think is best for wherever they are at at the time (and what one PD or MD may consider "harmful" may be considered a "definitely add or at least test this" to another PD or MD).

 

[CHRles]

I don't think I've ever read anything positive from you about an adult-leaning CHR

That's b/c you have a very selective memory. Not too long ago I posted good things about Q-102 in Cincy. I'm also a fan of 92 Pro in Providence, or the Rock leaning sound of WIXX 101.1 Green Bay. There's nothing cookie cutter, corporate, or an overabundance of conservative programming at these stations. They have a unique sound that works for them. Q-100 Atlanta? Not so much, though I am very happy to see CHR/Pop doing well in the ATL.

 

[atlantaboy]

I don't think I've ever read anything positive from you about an adult-leaning CHR

That's b/c you have a very selective memory. Not too long ago I posted good things about Q-102 in Cincy. I'm also a fan of 92 Pro in Providence, or the Rock leaning sound of WIXX 101.1 Green Bay. There's nothing cookie cutter, corporate, or an overabundance of conservative programming at these stations. They have a unique sound that works for them. Q-100 Atlanta? Not so much, though I am very happy to see CHR/Pop doing well in the ATL.

I think I understand where you're coming from now - it seems like you really like "liberal" playlists - I'm guessing you live in a very "liberal" area of the country, and I'm not sure you understand what it's like to program radio in, or even live in, a conservative area of the country

The stations you mentioned have a cutting-edge, Alt/Rock lean to them, and are extremely focused on new music - the problem is, Star 94 tried that approach in late 2009, and it bombed horribly - Atlanta isn't Wisconsin or Ohio, and it couldn't be more opposite politically and socially from Providence RI - there are A LOT of people that like to hear what's familiar, as opposed to constant cutting-edge new music

For me, the problem with your analysis of Q100/Cumulus is that you have a really negative connotation of the word "conservative" - and you can't have a negative view of the word "conservative" in a market where over half your audience identifies themselves as such - this is the market where EVERY WEEKEND, our Hot AC goes all 90s, and our AC goes all 80s - playing tons of new, cutting-edge music here can mean losing listeners

 

[MattHollidaye OnAir]

I definitely don't consider KIIS as "inspirational"....they didn't inspie me to do anything LOL But if anything, they do have a MAJOR influence over other Clear Channel-owned stations

Definitely agree with that - I just think it's crazy that people seem to be praising Clear Channel for programming lots of other stations similar to KIIS, but when Cumulus does the same thing with Q100 it's fascist or something lol

It doesn't matter-- IMO-- what company does it. The fact of the matter is this in my mind; originality means a lot to me. I seriously find it sickening when other stations basically hamper on to what one particular station does, especially in Cumulus' case with Q-100. What happened to the good ol' days where radio would go outside the box and take more risks? Why can't one station in, say, Atlanta be different from another in, say, Memphis? Why everything gotta be the same?

I'm all for doing what you gotta do in order to generate revenue, but at some point, there's gotta be some orginality somewere....

 

[carolinaradio]

We are talking about Cumulus with Q100. Out of the box is not in their vocabulary.

 

[Adam Rivers]

I definitely don't consider KIIS as "inspirational"....they didn't inspie me to do anything LOL But if anything, they do have a MAJOR influence over other Clear Channel-owned stations

Definitely agree with that - I just think it's crazy that people seem to be praising Clear Channel for programming lots of other stations similar to KIIS, but when Cumulus does the same thing with Q100 it's fascist or something lol

It doesn't matter-- IMO-- what company does it. The fact of the matter is this in my mind; originality means a lot to me. I seriously find it sickening when other stations basically hamper on to what one particular station does, especially in Cumulus' case with Q-100. What happened to the good ol' days where radio would go outside the box and take more risks? Why can't one station in, say, Atlanta be different from another in, say, Memphis? Why everything gotta be the same?

I'm all for doing what you gotta do in order to generate revenue, but at some point, there's gotta be some orginality somewere....

"Why everything gotta be the same?"

LOL.

 

[atlantaboy]

I definitely don't consider KIIS as "inspirational"....they didn't inspie me to do anything LOL But if anything, they do have a MAJOR influence over other Clear Channel-owned stations

Definitely agree with that - I just think it's crazy that people seem to be praising Clear Channel for programming lots of other stations similar to KIIS, but when Cumulus does the same thing with Q100 it's fascist or something lol

It doesn't matter-- IMO-- what company does it. The fact of the matter is this in my mind; originality means a lot to me. I seriously find it sickening when other stations basically hamper on to what one particular station does, especially in Cumulus' case with Q-100. What happened to the good ol' days where radio would go outside the box and take more risks? Why can't one station in, say, Atlanta be different from another in, say, Memphis? Why everything gotta be the same?

I'm all for doing what you gotta do in order to generate revenue, but at some point, there's gotta be some orginality somewere....

Completly agree - it's just being cheap IMO - either that or "playing it safe" I guess

I almost feel like the only original stations out there are owned by smaller companies (Entercom, Royce, etc.) - and I feel like it's becoming increasingly rare to see a Clear Channel CHR jump on something that all the others aren't - there are a handful of exceptions I think, but as a whole, Clear Channel has homogonized pop radio so much IMO it's ridiculous

 

[carolinaradio]

There's something about CC's CHR's, though, even in smaller markets, that doesn't seem as cookie cutter as Cumulus's. Cumulus CHR's just seem like if you've heard one, you've heard them all. Clear's may have some voicetracking and syndication, but seem a little more original....

Citadel has a couple of decent CHR's at least - 95SX in Charleston and 92Pro in Providence.