"Why Is Talk Radio So Conservative?"

[radio-outsider]

WHO's THE MADMAN???

> > > > > > > "Are we better off with Saddam out of
> > > > > > > power?," for example.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, that's just an insultingly stupid question.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And the answer is...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > $200,000,000, 2,100 American lives, who knows how many
>
> > > > thousands of Iraqi lives, a country divided (US), a
> > > country
> > > > in chaos (Iraqi), a bankrupt Presidency, and another
> > > > unwinnable Vietnam, the answer is, NO!!!!
> > > >
> > > The answer is YES!!
> > > Who knows how many Iraqi lives, but for sure many less
> > than
> > > if saddam were still in power.
> > > SOME chaos in Iraq, but most is good and okay.
> > > Bankrupt presidency? By what standard?
> > > Unwinnable Vietnam? We could have won there, like we
> will
> >
> > > in Iraq, but we left before we were done.
> > > More schools, better equipped students, more power
> > > distribution, more water distribution, free and open
> > > elections, again, - YES is the correct answer.
> > >
> >
> > I submit that we are losing the war. We are losing the
> > support of the congress, we are losing the support of the
> > American public, and I what suspect that we are losing
> > whatever support we had from the Iraqi's.
> >
> > The administration is in total denial. Until they realize
>
> > that "more of the same" will only result in "more of the
> > same", we will continue to lose ground. It's time to
> either
> > win it, or leave it. The current policy is waste of time,
>
> > money, and lives. There is no progress being made. There
>
> > is no way that we will ever be able to hand responsibility
>
> > over to the Iraqis. Colin Powell was right, "You break
> it,
> > you own it".
> >
> > I would say that a President that has slipped below 40%
> > popularity, cannot handle a domestic crisis (Katrina, et
> > al), has forgotten about social security reforms, and has
> an
> > estranged relationship with his Vice President, is pretty
> > much bankrupt.
> >
> > I will, however, give thanks to conservative talk radio.
> It
> > has completely changed my political ideology, from a
> > moderate conservative to a moderate liberal, and moving
> > further and further away from the conservative agenda
> every
> > day.
> >
> Losing the support of congress? Because 3 people of 432
> vote to get the troops out now? While those three are "lost
> support" still it is .0069444% of the house of rep's,
> hardly worth noting!
> We had suport frrom almost all of Iraq, and maybe we lost
> "some" support, but I believe we have vast majority support
> still.
> "More of the same" correctly, is bad news for all involved.
> If we would go in with the B-2's, B-52's, etc. and LEVEL the
> sunni triangle, I'll bet the terrorist attacks come to an
> almost complete stop. Unfortunately, GW does not have what
> it takes to do the job correctly, instead he just "wimps
> out". Truly sad.
> GW is below 40%, Congressional Repub's are lower that that,
> and Democrats are lower yet. That makes him most popular at
> the federal level. Pretty good spot to be in.
> Katrina was not his responsibility. Where were the governor
> of La, and the the New Orleans mayor? Why were three states
> hit, only one had the serios problems? Why was there no
> evacuation early in La like there was elsewhere? Why are
> there rows of school buses in N.O. that could have been used
> to get people out, instead, the mayor let them be to soak in
> water and said we had to get all the greyhound busses from
> around the US over there? Why when a hurricane came to
> Florida later, did GW's brother, Jeb, another republican
> take FULL responsibility for all that went wrong? When will
> Gov. Kathlee from LA do this? How about the N.O. mayor?
> Still waiting...
> Forgotten about social security reforms - Maybe, just maybe,
> more important thing's to worry about ( heard of Iraq? ).
> Estranged relationship with his Vice President - In what
> way? News to me - I see no problems at all.
>

Complete denial....

The real problems in the world are caused by ignorance, poverty, and desperation. That is the soil in which terrorism grows. You cannot eliminate ignorance, poverty, and desperation with B-52's. LEVELING the sunni triangle???? And you think Saddam is a dangerous madman??????? Isn't that exactly the kind of thinking we're fighting?????? Sounds like you're a terrorism advocate, or a very angry and confused individual, exactly the audience Rush speaks to.

 

[JoeJoeJoe]

Re: WHO's THE MADMAN???

> > > > > > > > "Are we better off with Saddam out of
> > > > > > > > power?," for example.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, that's just an insultingly stupid
> question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the answer is...
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > $200,000,000, 2,100 American lives, who knows how
> many
> >
> > > > > thousands of Iraqi lives, a country divided (US), a
> > > > country
> > > > > in chaos (Iraqi), a bankrupt Presidency, and another
>
> > > > > unwinnable Vietnam, the answer is, NO!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > The answer is YES!!
> > > > Who knows how many Iraqi lives, but for sure many less
>
> > > than
> > > > if saddam were still in power.
> > > > SOME chaos in Iraq, but most is good and okay.
> > > > Bankrupt presidency? By what standard?
> > > > Unwinnable Vietnam? We could have won there, like we
> > will
> > >
> > > > in Iraq, but we left before we were done.
> > > > More schools, better equipped students, more power
> > > > distribution, more water distribution, free and open
> > > > elections, again, - YES is the correct answer.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I submit that we are losing the war. We are losing the
> > > support of the congress, we are losing the support of
> the
> > > American public, and I what suspect that we are losing
> > > whatever support we had from the Iraqi's.
> > >
> > > The administration is in total denial. Until they
> realize
> >
> > > that "more of the same" will only result in "more of the
>
> > > same", we will continue to lose ground. It's time to
> > either
> > > win it, or leave it. The current policy is waste of
> time,
> >
> > > money, and lives. There is no progress being made.
> There
> >
> > > is no way that we will ever be able to hand
> responsibility
> >
> > > over to the Iraqis. Colin Powell was right, "You break
> > it,
> > > you own it".
> > >
> > > I would say that a President that has slipped below 40%
> > > popularity, cannot handle a domestic crisis (Katrina, et
>
> > > al), has forgotten about social security reforms, and
> has
> > an
> > > estranged relationship with his Vice President, is
> pretty
> > > much bankrupt.
> > >
> > > I will, however, give thanks to conservative talk radio.
>
> > It
> > > has completely changed my political ideology, from a
> > > moderate conservative to a moderate liberal, and moving
> > > further and further away from the conservative agenda
> > every
> > > day.
> > >
> > Losing the support of congress? Because 3 people of 432
> > vote to get the troops out now? While those three are
> "lost
> > support" still it is .0069444% of the house of rep's,
> > hardly worth noting!
> > We had suport frrom almost all of Iraq, and maybe we lost
> > "some" support, but I believe we have vast majority
> support
> > still.
> > "More of the same" correctly, is bad news for all
> involved.
> > If we would go in with the B-2's, B-52's, etc. and LEVEL
> the
> > sunni triangle, I'll bet the terrorist attacks come to an
> > almost complete stop. Unfortunately, GW does not have
> what
> > it takes to do the job correctly, instead he just "wimps
> > out". Truly sad.
> > GW is below 40%, Congressional Repub's are lower that
> that,
> > and Democrats are lower yet. That makes him most popular
> at
> > the federal level. Pretty good spot to be in.
> > Katrina was not his responsibility. Where were the
> governor
> > of La, and the the New Orleans mayor? Why were three
> states
> > hit, only one had the serios problems? Why was there no
> > evacuation early in La like there was elsewhere? Why are
> > there rows of school buses in N.O. that could have been
> used
> > to get people out, instead, the mayor let them be to soak
> in
> > water and said we had to get all the greyhound busses from
>
> > around the US over there? Why when a hurricane came to
> > Florida later, did GW's brother, Jeb, another republican
> > take FULL responsibility for all that went wrong? When
> will
> > Gov. Kathlee from LA do this? How about the N.O. mayor?
> > Still waiting...
> > Forgotten about social security reforms - Maybe, just
> maybe,
> > more important thing's to worry about ( heard of Iraq? ).
> > Estranged relationship with his Vice President - In what
> > way? News to me - I see no problems at all.
> >
>
> Complete denial....
>
> The real problems in the world are caused by ignorance,
> poverty, and desperation. That is the soil in which
> terrorism grows. You cannot eliminate ignorance, poverty,
> and desperation with B-52's. LEVELING the sunni
> triangle???? And you think Saddam is a dangerous
> madman??????? Isn't that exactly the kind of thinking we're
> fighting?????? Sounds like you're a terrorism advocate, or
> a very angry and confused individual, exactly the audience
> Rush speaks to.
>
Ignorance, poverty, and desperation...Many dictators in Africalive high off the hog, from lots of money we send to help poverty there. How would you stop this? Do we invade them too? Or do we stop sending any money? There is plenty of money sent, it's just horded by leadership. Aids is horrible there, by you try and get some abstinence type plan passed - it works every time its tried, but all we hear is, more drugs, cheaper drugs, more comdoms (they do fail 10%+ at stopping aids!!) YES! LEVEL the Sunni triangle. We are too concerned with chipping paint on a mosque, than killing the terrorists inside who wish to kill us and their fellow Iraqi's. My guess is, if we kill all the terrorists, most of whom come from the triangle, the violence will end. Dead people can't set off car bombs, etc.
And you think Saddam is a dangerous madman?? YES! Saddam killed people who opposed him politically, talked bad about him. We kill people who want to kill us and Iraqi's, far worse than just "talking bad" about us. I support free speech, Saddam did not. The thinking is FAR different, not even close. I do not agree with terrorists, those who are out to kill "Infidel's" because their religious beliefs are different. This is horrible, completely unacceptable.
A very angry and confused individual... So I'm angry at their continual unprovoked bombing in the US and elsewhere, because we won't adopt their religious beliefs. Is this a bad thing? I like my life, and do not want to be bombed to death because my religious beliefs don't match their's, and I don't want to change. I am not "confused" at all. I just want to live.
Exactly the audience Rush speaks to... Have you listened to Rush? He does not talk this way at all. He supports the war, but says nothing serious about the lack of progress. He's just rubber stamping it like most Liberal Democrats in congress, and plenty of "RINO Republicans" too. We don't need more of that, we need someone who will create some progress, get something done, so we can get our troops out sooner. Even with the Rush L., GW, Liberal type keep doing what doesn't work, I still believe Iraq will be better off than Clinton's Bosnia. Rush does not speak for me! I listen to him, but find him, like Fox news currently is, too liberal for me. Pretty bad when Fox approaches the political zone CBS, CNN, et all occupy.
The real problems in the world are caused by ignorance, poverty, and desperation. That is the soil in which terrorism grows. The terrorists in Iraq are not attacking us because they are "poor", or because we are "ignorant". Desperation, on the other hand, is correct. They are "desperate" to convert us to Islam, or kill us if we won't convert.

 

[radio-outsider]

Re: WHO's THE MADMAN???

I've got to give Bin Laden credit. He has accomplished his goal. His goal was to embroil the west in a war that it could not win. Because the west does not understand guerilla warfare and terrorism. The west needs a simple enemy that has a central leadership that can be defeated.

Bin Laden knew that the west would respond to 911 and it did. He also knew that the west would tire of an unwinnable struggle, and like Vietnam, eventually would go home with their tails between their legs and leave his part of the world alone. We fell into his trap hook, line, and sinker.

The "bomb the rest of the world" ideology is simply not who we are. If you a truely a good American, start behaving like one. You lose ALL credibility when you start saying things like that. And more ironically you validate Saddam's and Bin Laden's tactics.

Remember when "communism" was the biggest enemy? Guess what the fastest growing economy in the world is. China. We may have defeated Japan and Germany in WWII, but they're both kicking our ass now economically.

Wars bankrupt countries, financially and morally.

What the US needs to focus on is dealing with domestic issues. If we truely did mind our own business rather than trying to EXPORT OUR IDEOLOGY they would probably leave us alone. I hate to sound repetative, but winning a peace is a much harder task than winning a battle. We still don't get it. You cannot win this war.

And then maybe Saddam was right. The only way to control Iraq is through a brutal dictatorship. He certainly had things under better control than we do.
Under Saddam, Iraq was not a threat to the US. Iraq is now more of a threat to Americans than it ever has been, and maybe Saddam got his wishes as well.

A Liberal Perspective.

 

[JoeJoeJoe]

Re: WHO's THE MADMAN???

> I've got to give Bin Laden credit. He has accomplished his
> goal. His goal was to embroil the west in a war that it
> could not win. Because the west does not understand guerilla
> warfare and terrorism. The west needs a simple enemy that
> has a central leadership that can be defeated.
>
> Bin Laden knew that the west would respond to 911 and it
> did. He also knew that the west would tire of an unwinnable
> struggle, and like Vietnam, eventually would go home with
> their tails between their legs and leave his part of the
> world alone. We fell into his trap hook, line, and sinker.
>
> The "bomb the rest of the world" ideology is simply not who
> we are. If you a truely a good American, start behaving
> like one. You lose ALL credibility when you start saying
> things like that. And more ironically you validate Saddam's
> and Bin Laden's tactics.
>
> Remember when "communism" was the biggest enemy? Guess what
> the fastest growing economy in the world is. China. We may
> have defeated Japan and Germany in WWII, but they're both
> kicking our ass now economically.
>
> Wars bankrupt countries, financially and morally.
>
> What the US needs to focus on is dealing with domestic
> issues. If we truely did mind our own business rather than
> trying to EXPORT OUR IDEOLOGY they would probably leave us
> alone. I hate to sound repetative, but winning a peace is a
> much harder task than winning a battle. We still don't get
> it. You cannot win this war.
>
> And then maybe Saddam was right. The only way to control
> Iraq is through a brutal dictatorship. He certainly had
> things under better control than we do.
> Under Saddam, Iraq was not a threat to the US. Iraq is now
> more of a threat to Americans than it ever has been, and
> maybe Saddam got his wishes as well.
>
> A Liberal Perspective.
>
WOW!!!
Bin Laden knew that the west would respond to 911... What about all the other unprovoked terrorist attacks he is responsible for?
go home with
With their tails between their legs... What ever makes you think this will happen? Less that 1% of the house of representatives wants to get our troops out of Iraq now. Less than 1%! So what makes you think we will cut and run with our tails between our legs?
We fell into his trap... He wants to kill all the "infidels" (which is all of us non-muslims). How is this war "unwinnable"
"bomb the rest of the world" idealogy? Where did you get that from? NOT ME! Sunni triangle, filled with terrorists, yes, not "the rest of the world".
Simply not who we are... We are a country who defends itself, always have been, hopefully always will be.
If you a truely a good American, start behaving like one. How about I do so by caring about the safety of my fellow citizens here at home. How about I wish for no more terrorist attack anywhere in the world? Is this not something that a "good American" would do? Feel free to join me in caring anytime you would like...
And more ironically you validate Saddam's and Bin Laden's tactics...Wrong! I only support the rights of people to feel safe in their own country, and around the world. If Osamma and his friends want to blow each other up, I say let them be. Same for Saddam. But DO NOT bomb or threaten others, that is where I draw the line.
Wars bankrupt countries, financially and morally. So if these terrorists were to stop bombing us, pledge to be peaceful, and do so, we would then be able to bring our troops home, and end the fiscal and moral bankruptcy. Sounds good to me, how about you?
What the US needs to focus on is dealing with domestic issues... Like the safety of its citizens, for example? We did not ask for any of the terrorist attacks, none. I'll bet a survey would show most people would not want to have been in the twin towers on 9/11, and that most hope nothing like it ever happens again.
EXPORT OUR IDEOLOGY? Where did this come from? This is about safety for our citizens. We are not there trying to get them to become a Jew or a Christian.
If we truely did mind our own business...ARE YOU FOR REAL? We were attacked first. Will you let someone come and terrorize someone you care about, beat them up, rape them, shoot them, whatever, then tell them to "mind their own businees" and let the issue go? Are we to just sit here and accept more terrorist attacks? Are we not allowed to respond to the killing of our own citizens? If you want to open the doors of your house, sit out in the front yard in a lawn chair and watch while people take (steal) all you have, be my guest. But don't try to make everyone hope on board for a ride on that loony train - "You lose ALL credibility when you start saying things like that"
They would probably leave us alone... They have attacked us many times before, why would they all of the sudden "leave us alone"?
You cannot win this war... Please tell me you don't really believe this! We CAN'T win? If we kill all the people that want to kill us, have we not won? what did I miss?
He certainly had things under better control than we do... There you are correct. BUT that is because if you did not do everything his way, you died soon. Many died by being put into a machine designed to shred plastic into little pieces. If we did this, we may be Winning more against the terrorists over there. But we do not, because we (unlike Saddam) are not like that. We would not kill people just becase they won't do everything our way. We would not send them through a plastic shredder, alive and screaming. We did things at abu ghraib that dont even qualify as college frat pranks, and we want to prosecute our troops. We are much kinder than Saddam.
Under Saddam, Iraq was not a threat to the US... Where did you get this from? Leaders in both political parties here saw much evidence we never will ,and found him to be a threat. what evidence do you have to the contrary? Maybe if you present it to Al Gore, Hillary & Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Et all, you could change their mind, and then they wouldn't think he was a threat to us.
Iraq is now more of a threat to Americans than it ever has been... Based on what? Most people over there are happy that we liberated them from Saddam. Just ask anyone who's been there. There is less threat to your life. there is better and more available water and power supply. More schools are open, and they have more school supplies. Where in all the good going on over there do you get the idea that things are somehow worse? You watch too much CNN, etc. and probably listen to too much liberal talk radio. Turn off the TV and radio, and talk to someone in our military who is responsible for what is going on over there, and has been there. Run with the facts, instaed of what you get from "C-B.S."

 

[radio-outsider]

Re: WHO's THE MADMAN???

Joe,

Nothing would make me happier than to come to peace with the rest of the world. I am not naive enough to believe this will ever happen or is even possible. We face difficult challenges from complicated situations. There is no quick fix. It is a balancing act between what is reasonable, what is practical, what is acheivable, what is affordable, and more than anything, what is consistent with the principles that this country stands for.

We must never abandon our values simply to protect our soil and citizens. We must protect our VALUES at all costs. That is why we must not bomb regions, or torture prisoners, etc. We cannot compromise our values just because our enemies don't respect them. WE MUST ALWAYS maintain our values, or the enemy has indeed conquered us.

Pandora's box is open. There are WMD's out there, and we will never be able to fully contain them. We must therefore realize that we are but 5% of the world's population and try to behave in a nature so that we are not perceived as a threat to the rest of the world. I understand why they fear us. Having lived in both Asia and Europe, I know how much American culture the rest of the world is exposed to... And believe me, it doesn't paint a pretty picture of who we are.

We DO need to protect ourselves. But we need to be cautious about how, when, where, and why.

I try to expose myself to as many viewpoints as I can. That's why I watch CNN, MSNBC, AND FOX News. I listen to Rush and Sean, but also Ed and Al and NPR. I read opinions from both the left and right, and then try to sort through the bullshit and find the truth. Quite frankly, there is more emotion than fact coming from both extremes. I think that truth lies somewhere in the middle.

In my eyes, there is but one task that the US miltary should be focused on, crushing Al Queda and bringing Bin Laden's head home on a silver platter. The rest, in one man's opinion, is a sad waste of time and resources.

Thank God we live in a country where we can have differing opinions. Let that be our strength, not our weakness.

Gotta go rake some leaves now.

Happy Holidays.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by radio-outsider on 11/27/05 07:23 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[JoeJoeJoe]

Re: WHO's THE MADMAN???

> Joe,
>
> Nothing would make me happier than to come to peace with the
> rest of the world. I am not naive enough to believe this
> will ever happen or is even possible. We face difficult
> challenges from complicated situations. There is no quick
> fix. It is a balancing act between what is reasonable, what
> is practical, what is acheivable, what is affordable, and
> more than anything, what is consistent with the principles
> that this country stands for.
>
> We must never abandon our values simply to protect our soil
> and citizens. We must protect our VALUES at all costs.
> That is why we must not bomb regions, or torture prisoners,
> etc. We cannot compromise our values just because our
> enemies don't respect them. WE MUST ALWAYS maintain our
> values, or the enemy has indeed conquered us.
>
> Pandora's box is open. There are WMD's out there, and we
> will never be able to fully contain them. We must therefore
> realize that we are but 5% of the world's population and try
> to behave in a nature so that we are not perceived as a
> threat to the rest of the world. I understand why they fear
> us. Having lived in both Asia and Europe, I know how much
> American culture the rest of the world is exposed to... And
> believe me, it doesn't paint a pretty picture of who we are.
>
>
> We DO need to protect ourselves. But we need to be cautious
> about how, when, where, and why.
>
> I try to expose myself to as many viewpoints as I can.
> That's why I watch CNN, MSNBC, AND FOX News. I listen to
> Rush and Sean, but also Ed and Al and NPR. I read opinions
> from both the left and right, and then try to sort through
> the bullshit and find the truth. Quite frankly, there is
> more emotion than fact coming from both extremes. I think
> that truth lies somewhere in the middle.
>
> In my eyes, there is but one task that the US miltary should
> be focused on, crushing Al Queda and bringing Bin Laden's
> head home on a silver platter. The rest, in one man's
> opinion, is a sad waste of time and resources.
>
> Thank God we live in a country where we can have differing
> opinions. Let that be our strength, not our weakness.
>
> Gotta go rake some leaves now.
>
> Happy Holidays.
>
WOW!! Amen to almost all of that!
Thank God we live in a country where we can have differing
opinions. Let that be our strength, not our weakness... I agree 100%! Great to hear your opinion, not just to be able to tell mine.
Happy holidays to you as well! Hope Thanksgiving was great, Hope your christmas is even greater!!