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Why is the CW so crappy?

What's going on at that network? Are they trying to lose their viewers? Yes, every network takes a break in the winter and CW sure did. But what's with this 2nd long hiatus? It's been over a month since they had new episodes of their hit shows.

It seems a network that's already having troubles would try extra hard to build (or hold on to) an audience.
 
What about Family Guy?

The CW's biggest problem is that you are about the only one who notices when they are on hiatus!!! ;D

Along that same vein, what's up with the Family Guy? There have only been 3 or 4 new episodes so far this year. A number of weeks have gone by when there are new episodes of the Simpsons, KOTH and American Dad; yet FG is on a rerun. Last Sunday was such a night. Once Fox finished up their 6-hour long tribute to the American Trailer Park, live from Vegas, we were treated to delayed (but new) Simpsons, KOTH and AD. No FG, because it was slated to be a rerun that night.

Of course, that luck was on Fox's side because the appalling 45 minute programming delay could be reduced to 15. So it worked for them, but it wasn't the plan. Is McFarlane so busy with Cleveland that he's blowing off his original franchise? I've just been curious as to what's up with this.
 
I think I read somewhere that the economy has something to do with it.
 
Radio3787 said:
What's going on at that network? Are they trying to lose their viewers? Yes, every network takes a break in the winter and CW sure did. But what's with this 2nd long hiatus? It's been over a month since they had new episodes of their hit shows.

It seems a network that's already having troubles would try extra hard to build (or hold on to) an audience.

The reason that CW's programming and management are so crappy.....is because there is not enough black programming on.
 
Radio3787 said:
What's going on at that network? Are they trying to lose their viewers? Yes, every network takes a break in the winter and CW sure did. But what's with this 2nd long hiatus? It's been over a month since they had new episodes of their hit shows.

It seems a network that's already having troubles would try extra hard to build (or hold on to) an audience.

They just brought back their best show, in my opinion (Reaper), promoted it during their sea of reruns (which are pulling in record low ratings), and threw it head to head against American Idol. The results are as expected.

It's not the first time it's happened.
 
The CW is going after women under 25. More specific, women under 18. This market they feel hasn't been exploited enough. Raw viewers mean little if no one is buying and this market does buy things and it appears to be mostly untapped.

This was one of the failing of UPN, the African American comedies while doing well weren't selling anything.

It's hard for people to grasp this, because they view it as did Desi Aranz. In the 50s, Phillip Morris complained to Desi Aranz that no one was buying their cigarettes. Arnaz replied "We're delivering 60% of the audience, if no one's buying take it up with your salespeople not us."

Now this seems, at first glance, right, but really, if you don't smoke, no commerical is going to make you start, especially the viewers of "I Love Lucy," who were mostly adults (in the 50s that is).

So Phillip Morris was paying for a program that people loved but wouldn't buy their product.

The CW wants to promote shows that the sponsors will buy. The CW doesn't care about what VIEWERS want to watch. They care about what BUYERS want to watch. (And that is ALL TV networks, cable or OTA, not just The CW)
 
Starbucks said:
The reason that CW's programming and management are so crappy.....is because there is not enough black programming on.

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason the CW doesn't cater to African Americans is that those viewers have moved past the need for sitcoms with all-black casts.

Just saying.
 
Isn't that what killed UPN? Over-reliance on all-black casted sitcoms?
I don't know what changed but "classic" Black sitcoms like Good Times, Sanford and Son, Jeffersons, Cosby, etc reached people of all races. Today's shows like "House of Payne" (ugh) seem to have little or no interest outside the Black community.
Why do people even look at TV shows as "Black", "White" or any other race? A good show is a good show. Many shows have multiracial casts but some seem to feel only an all (fill in race here) show is (fill in race here) enough. Sad.

Starbucks said:
The reason that CW's programming and management are so crappy.....is because there is not enough black programming on.
 
mescutia said:
Starbucks said:
The reason that CW's programming and management are so crappy.....is because there is not enough black programming on.

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason the CW doesn't cater to African Americans is that those viewers have moved past the need for sitcoms with all-black casts.

Just saying.

I'm just kidding....c'mon man inside joke, read the past threads. Sarcasm.

Refer to past thread.....The CW renews six series. This is from an indvivdual who has to make things an issue and blurt it out without the facts.
 
Starbucks said:
mescutia said:
Starbucks said:
The reason that CW's programming and management are so crappy.....is because there is not enough black programming on.

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason the CW doesn't cater to African Americans is that those viewers have moved past the need for sitcoms with all-black casts.

Just saying.

I'm just kidding....c'mon man inside joke, read the past threads. Sarcasm.

Refer to past thread.....The CW renews six series. This is from an indvivdual who has to make things an issue and blurt it out without the facts.

He means this...

Starbucks said:
sfradio said:
what? no black shows? this is why the cw is the least watched network on TV

I'll be as nice as I can for a radical liberal like you....YOUR WRONG COMPLETELY. UPN had no ratings and every show like Moesha, The Parkers, I can't remember the rest, (That's how popular they were) most failed miserably. Even among the black population who they specifically targeted...But if they can come up with a show next season called Morons in Outer Space, I would at least give It a try.
 
Starbucks said:
mescutia said:
Starbucks said:
The reason that CW's programming and management are so crappy.....is because there is not enough black programming on.

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason the CW doesn't cater to African Americans is that those viewers have moved past the need for sitcoms with all-black casts.

Just saying.

I'm just kidding....c'mon man inside joke, read the past threads. Sarcasm.

Refer to past thread.....The CW renews six series. This is from an indvivdual who has to make things an issue and blurt it out without the facts.

Oh... Well, in that case, never mind. :)
 
I am a racist.......I like Kryptonians! ;) When is Smallville coming back with new episodes?
 
I think the core of their problem is that they let their marketing people target a demographic, and then allow
that factor to drive the whole creative process, rather than the other way round. They should first and foremost
be looking for strong programming ideas and quality productions, and then figure out how to use those to best
attract customers. We started going down this road with the CBS Barnyard Purge of the early 70's, where we started
letting statistical marketing drive all programming decisions. That plus they don't spend any money. Tell me to bring
you the cheapest show targeting the female 18-24 minority female demographic, and I'll bring you a piece of cr*p almost
every time.

Another poster on this board brought up a great point about The Jeffersons, Sanford and Son, Good
Times, etc. They certainly gave black performers a greater platform to display their talents, but the appeal was
very broad, and those shows were loved by all sorts of audiences. If CW could catch that wave and bottle it
they would really have something. Everybody Hates Chris is probably the show in their lineup that comes closest.
And I am sure that Chris Rock did not consult the marketing people before he developed the concept.
 
The CW makes two mistakes of the 2008-2009 Television Season. First they let go WWE and subcontract out Sundays to Media Rights Capital and have an extended prime time Sunday Schedule from 5PM to 10PM. Now the MYTV is beating The CW in the ratings because of WWE. Funny thing is that most of the MYTV affiliates air MYTV programming on digital subchannel's.
 
NHRadio said:
Isn't that what killed UPN? Over-reliance on all-black casted sitcoms?
I don't know what changed but "classic" Black sitcoms like Good Times, Sanford and Son, Jeffersons, Cosby, etc reached people of all races. Today's shows like "House of Payne" (ugh) seem to have little or no interest outside the Black community.
And that Wednesday night block has become so popular that TBS gave the greenlight to another Tyler Perry sitcom, not to mention a third hour of 'HOP' reruns.

The frustration in the series that you mentioned is that those were greenlit on established networks. One of the frustrations amongst like-minded civic/civil rights/media groups has been that African-American audiences (who tend to watch TV more, on average) have been used build broadcast network viewing, then a noticeable 'shift' toward female-dominated (and whiter) audiences as time went on. Quick, name one hit Black or Hispanic dominant show on NBC after the 1990s post-Cosby Show, A Different World, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Or one on CBS. (The last season Family Matters shouldn't technically count.) ABC dared to do so with My Wife & Kids & The George Lopez Show when they were reeling from ratings doldrums after their 'four nights of Millionaire' experiment failed.

Not only was the creation of new minority-themed sitcoms left to the netlets, these netlets used them the same way the majors did: Build up viewership, transition to the more 'sellable' demos later. Think of the early 90s programming on Fox, (shows like Martin, Living Single, In Living Color, New York Undercover) then the WB's first few years (The Wayans Bros., The Steve Harvey Show, The Jamie Foxx Show), then most of UPN's existence (Moesha, Girlfriends, The Parkers, Malcolm & Eddie, The Hughleys [started life @ ABC], Everybody Hates Chris), and now the transition of the latter two into The CW. All had well-viewed (amongst Black households) shows that grew their overall network viewership, and over time these programs went by the wayside, largely unreplaced. White audiences didn't have much use for them when they had Seinfeld, Friends, Will & Grace, Everybody Loves Raymond, et. al. and who knows how many dramas.


Why do people even look at TV shows as "Black", "White" or any other race? A good show is a good show. Many shows have multiracial casts but some seem to feel only an all (fill in race here) show is (fill in race here) enough. Sad.
We know better than to think Hollywood and the studios/networks are filled with nothing but prejudiced or bigoted people who make the final decisions. It's mostly been about business and basic math, we know that. But to that point, there have been many more shows with mostly white casts that have allowed to flop than there have been shows written and cast by minorities primed to succeed. The networks have done better to broaden appeal with smarter, multiracial casting, but there's still more work that could be done behind the camera.

There's still plenty of room for more success stories like Shonda Rhimes'--cable is helping out on that front with new original programming opportunities, so there are reasons to be optimistic.
 
Starbucks said:
mescutia said:
Starbucks said:
The reason that CW's programming and management are so crappy.....is because there is not enough black programming on.

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason the CW doesn't cater to African Americans is that those viewers have moved past the need for sitcoms with all-black casts.

Just saying.

I'm just kidding....c'mon man inside joke, read the past threads. Sarcasm.

Refer to past thread.....The CW renews six series. This is from an indvivdual who has to make things an issue and blurt it out without the facts.

People didn't pick up on it because you said it deadpan and in actual English.

If you wanted people to pick up on the joke, you should have said it like this:
cw sux its all cause they dont have teh blak showz lol
 
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