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Why Is There Such Hostility Against JACK FM?

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FilmCritic3000

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I really enjoy JACK FM and am glad it's finally made its way here to Savannah, Georgia as 98.3 JACK FM.

If people don't like it, fine. But I've read post after post on various other boards here denouncing the format like it ransacked people's homes. Other posts claim JACK FM is failing, when most markets haven't had the station for that long; the one's that have (Dallas & Denver, to name a few) are experiencing tremendous growth in ratings and demographics.

Is this just a case of people afraid of change and wanting to naysay right out of the gate?

Any thoughts out there? <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by FilmCritic3000 on 10/09/05 09:22 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> I really enjoy JACK FM and am glad it's finally made its way
> here to Savannah, Georgia as 98.3 JACK FM.
>
> If people don't like it, fine. But I've read post after post
> on various other boards here denouncing the format like it
> ransacked people's homes. Other posts claim JACK FM is
> failing, when most markets haven't had the station for that
> long; the one's that have (Dallas & Denver, to name a few)
> are experiencing tremendous growth in ratings and
> demographics.
>
> Is this just a case of people afraid of change and wanting
> to naysay right out of the gate?
>
> Any thoughts out there?
>
Its gets very bland after awhile. Plus its over cloned and jockless.<P ID="signature">______________

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> > I really enjoy JACK FM and am glad it's finally made its
> way
> > here to Savannah, Georgia as 98.3 JACK FM.
> >
> > If people don't like it, fine. But I've read post after
> post
> > on various other boards here denouncing the format like it
>
> > ransacked people's homes. Other posts claim JACK FM is
> > failing, when most markets haven't had the station for
> that
> > long; the one's that have (Dallas & Denver, to name a few)
>
> > are experiencing tremendous growth in ratings and
> > demographics.
> >
> > Is this just a case of people afraid of change and wanting
>
> > to naysay right out of the gate?
> >
> > Any thoughts out there?
> >
> Its gets very bland after awhile. Plus its over cloned and
> jockless.
>

Who would have thought that over 1000 something songs would sound bland after a while. Seriously. At this time Jack is doing well in many markets (not all, but many). Although, Jack is in it's honeymoon period. Will it last? We'll see. Also, I believe that Dallas' Jack is slightly off, but that isn't anything to get alarmed about.

Now personally, I think Jack is ok. The music mix is interesting, but I like jocks and all that other good "radio" stuff. Contests, jocks, etc. Just my opinion. The facts are differnt though. A lot of people apparently like a jukebox without jocks.<P ID="signature">______________
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To answer your question:

I think it is a reaction to who Jack replaced. Here in Austin, we lost our oldies station to Bob-FM. To me, it was not much of a loss because of the narrow playlist of Oldies 103.5

I am from Brooklyn and I was outraged by what happened to CBS-FM. Indianapolis and Baltimore had strong oldies stations in ratings and they bacame Jack.

It is not the format, it is who is no longer there. Some stations had a strong following and a lot of attachment from listeners. They take the loss out on Jack. I like the format, but I would also like to be able to hear oldies, though the narrow playlists turned me off to oldies.

> I really enjoy JACK FM and am glad it's finally made its way
> here to Savannah, Georgia as 98.3 JACK FM.
>
> If people don't like it, fine. But I've read post after post
> on various other boards here denouncing the format like it
> ransacked people's homes. Other posts claim JACK FM is
> failing, when most markets haven't had the station for that
> long; the one's that have (Dallas & Denver, to name a few)
> are experiencing tremendous growth in ratings and
> demographics.
>
> Is this just a case of people afraid of change and wanting
> to naysay right out of the gate?
>
> Any thoughts out there?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Any thoughts out there?
> >
> Its gets very bland after awhile. Plus its over cloned and
> jockless.
>

Yeah, Jack is bland, huh?

Especially compared to all of the other 99.9% of
stations that have an exciting playlist of less
than 10% of Jack.

Plus, all of those clone-like 25 Jack radio stations
in the US have all but put 1500 Country, CHR
and Classic Rock stations out of business.

Jack is jockless? You're kidding. Seems like alot of the
research over the past 5-10 years was wrong, listeners
would like MORE than 4/5 hours of mindless chatter
every morning? Let's put three or four jocks on Jack
at all times and take away all of the music. Mostly
rednecks would be best. That's the hot thing these days.

Then you get...ah...the same old radio stations that
everyone has been complaining about for years...

Tell Howard Cogan here's his last liner for Jack:

"Jack FM - Same bland 50 songs as everybody else, no music
in the morning and more mindless chatter and phone pranks
all day long...you've found paradise...another radio
station just like everybody else on the dial. And,
best of all NO time left for Howard Cogan, the devil
himself, to torment listeners with hours of blab. Geez."

XM and iPod stock holding up?

Come up with something original.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 10/10/05 02:30 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > Its gets very bland after awhile. Plus its over cloned and
>
> > jockless.
> >
>
> Who would have thought that over 1000 something songs would
> sound bland after a while. Seriously. At this time Jack is
> doing well in many markets (not all, but many). Although,
> Jack is in it's honeymoon period. Will it last? We'll see.
> Also, I believe that Dallas' Jack is slightly off, but that
> isn't anything to get alarmed about.
>
> Now personally, I think Jack is ok. The music mix is
> interesting, but I like jocks and all that other good
> "radio" stuff. Contests, jocks, etc. Just my opinion. The
> facts are differnt though. A lot of people apparently like a
> jukebox without jocks.
>


The problem with 1000+ song playlists is finding that many songs with staying power. Yeah, it may be cool to hear "Hungry Like The Wolf" or one of INXS's interchangeable songs for a few times since they'd been gone from the radio for many years, but after a while the songs you dind't especially like 20 years ago you get sick of again. As you said, the format is in it's "honeymoon" stage right now & everyone's jumping on the bandwagon...how many of them will jump right back off when the next "big thing" comes along?

As far as jocks vs jockless goes...it'll be interesting to see how this goes...many format changes are launched jockless for the first several months nowadays...I guess it was only a matter of time before a format came along that was designed to be that way. I wonder how much the average listener cares whether there's a dj or not.

I'm pretty much neutral on the format myself...I'll listen to "Mike" in Boston from time to time and enjoy it, but I don't see that the format lives up to the hype.
 
Hostility Against JACK FM?

You pretty much nailed it. Human beings in general are hesitant to change- we're all creatures of habit and (especially radio people) are locked into our little habits and routines.

Couple of things going on with the anti-Jack crowd:

* many of them believe it's some sort of cooked-up way to get rid of personalties. That's paranoid and B.S. and just another excuse to hate the concept.

* people in radio disdain what they do not understand- most don't think outside of their little four corners of what radio should be and, since Jack breaks a lot of currently held beliefs, they hate it. A segment of those in our industry are consantly railing against the "radio establishment" (consultants, suits, corporate radio) but when something new and very different comes along, they are among the loudest to scream "but this isn't what radio us supposed to be like". They can't have it both ways.

* in a few markets, JACK has replaced a beloved radio station (WCBS-FM is probably the best example). It's understandable they'd grieve the loss of their favorite station but they turn that grief into the whole "jack sucks", "the format will never work", "Jack's already a failure", etc. It's all very emotional and they are reacting to something very personal being taken away. The truth is, of course, what replaced their station has nothing to do with the new format.

* finally, there are those in radio who just bitch and whine and complain just for the sake of doing so. Everything sucks but them. And there's not a thing we can do to please them nor any clear method of reasoning with them. Most of these have had their heyday in the biz or never ever really made it in radio and they are among the "sour grapes" crowd.



>
> Is this just a case of people afraid of change and wanting to naysay right
> out of the gate?
>
> Any thoughts out there?
>
 
> The problem with 1000+ song playlists is finding that many
> songs with staying power. Yeah, it may be cool to hear
> "Hungry Like The Wolf" or one of INXS's interchangeable
> songs for a few times since they'd been gone from the radio
> for many years, but after a while the songs you dind't
> especially like 20 years ago you get sick of again. As you
> said, the format is in it's "honeymoon" stage right now &
> everyone's jumping on the bandwagon...how many of them will
> jump right back off when the next "big thing" comes along?
>
> As far as jocks vs jockless goes...it'll be interesting to
> see how this goes...many format changes are launched
> jockless for the first several months nowadays...I guess it
> was only a matter of time before a format came along that
> was designed to be that way. I wonder how much the average
> listener cares whether there's a dj or not.
>
> I'm pretty much neutral on the format myself...I'll listen
> to "Mike" in Boston from time to time and enjoy it, but I
> don't see that the format lives up to the hype.
>
I personally don't like Jack (at least the Chicago Jack) is because the playlist is still considered narrow to me. Also, the promos that play between songs makes the claim that they play the fewest songs, and they don't. I also don't like the "Playing What We Want" slogan. To me, it sounds like the station has an attitude problem, like the typical formats do. I once heard 12 consecutive commercials in a 15 minute period. Nine FM (the Jack clone that's been in the market for a year now) has a much wider playlist, plus they play some new music. They may not jump on the new music right away, but they do add it. While Nine FM was operating on just the Chicago south suburban 50kw signal, they added personalities 1 to 2 months after the format was official. Originally there was one on every daypart, but it has since been cut back to mornings, middays, & afternoons during the week, and just afternoons (2-7pm CDT/CST) on weekends. As far as commercials, they play the fewest, no more than 3 minutes worth of commercials, which is usually 3-6 commercials, and at the most 9 minutes of commercials an hour. Since Nine FM is owned by an independent company, they can get away with airing fewer commercials, while CC & Infinity air so many (regardless of stations' formats) that they need that money in order to satisfy the shareholders.
We have yet to see the billing for Jack FM (WJMK), but the ratings are slightly less than the oldies format it replaced, just based on Summer P1 & P2's so far. I listen to Nine FM the most, but I'll occasionally listen to WKSC & WTMX when in the mood.
 
Re: Hostility Against JACK FM?

>>
> * people in radio disdain what they do not understand- most
> don't think outside of their little four corners of what
> radio should be

Since when is this limited to radio people? I'd say this applies to most, if not all of us.

Besides, the so-called "hostility" toward Jack is nothing. Check out the talk radio board sometime and read the pro/anti Air America posts.
 
Against JACK FM?

True- but it's radio folks whose opinions make up a very high percentage of posters on these boards and from whom the most venom about Jack comes.

And you're right about the anti-Air America posts- welcome back to McCarthyism.

>
> Since when is this limited to radio people? I'd say this
> applies to most, if not all of us.
>
> Besides, the so-called "hostility" toward Jack is nothing.
> Check out the talk radio board sometime and read the
> pro/anti Air America posts.
>
 
JACK FM?

The 25-54 adult ratings for Jack in Chicago so far are on the rise. Billing will take awhile to catch up, but Infinity went into this with their eyes wide open, understanding they'd take the revenue hit (not to mention paying off former jocks/PD contracts) in the short term.


> We have yet to see the billing for Jack FM (WJMK), but the
> ratings are slightly less than the oldies format it
> replaced, just based on Summer P1 & P2's so far. I listen
> to Nine FM the most, but I'll occasionally listen to WKSC &
> WTMX when in the mood.
>
 
> > > I really enjoy JACK FM and am glad it's finally made its
>
> > way
> > > here to Savannah, Georgia as 98.3 JACK FM.
> > >
> > > If people don't like it, fine. But I've read post after
> > post
> > > on various other boards here denouncing the format like
> it
> >
> > > ransacked people's homes. Other posts claim JACK FM is
> > > failing, when most markets haven't had the station for
> > that
> > > long; the one's that have (Dallas & Denver, to name a
> few)
> >
> > > are experiencing tremendous growth in ratings and
> > > demographics.
> > >
> > > Is this just a case of people afraid of change and
> wanting
> >
> > > to naysay right out of the gate?
> > >
> > > Any thoughts out there?
> > >
> > Its gets very bland after awhile. Plus its over cloned and
>
> > jockless.
> >
>
> Who would have thought that over 1000 something songs would
> sound bland after a while. Seriously. At this time Jack is
> doing well in many markets (not all, but many). Although,
> Jack is in it's honeymoon period. Will it last? We'll see.
> Also, I believe that Dallas' Jack is slightly off, but that
> isn't anything to get alarmed about.
>
> Now personally, I think Jack is ok. The music mix is
> interesting, but I like jocks and all that other good
> "radio" stuff. Contests, jocks, etc. Just my opinion. The
> facts are differnt though. A lot of people apparently like a
> jukebox without jocks.
>
I guess it would be difficult to have jocks on a Jack-FM format because :

1) Given the nature of the "playing what WE want" format, they can't take requests from listeners. How would they really interact with the listeners unless they had contests or something of that sort?

2) Also, DJ's usually tell you what artists are coming up next. Part of the uniqueness of the Jack-FM format is that you are surprised by the songs you hear.
 
You really need to stop servicing Infinity management under the desk. It's not about Jack sucking, it's about the over-hype of a format that plays NOTHING differant than what's already being played across the dial. End of story. You over-hype it all and hump it's leg all you want, in the end, it's the same old (BLEEP) just played on one station. Nothing new is being broken and CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. According to the suits at ALL the companies, "people don't want just jukeboxes, that's why we're not too concerned with internet radio". I'll never forget that useless, visionless, scared because I don't understand NEW things statement made by a "well-respected" CEO. And you wonder why radio is where it's at, rehashing music in a discombobulated format named Jack for ease of branding? It's everything radio said NO ONE would listen to at the dawn of technology's ability to offer real CHOICE, different FORMATS without having to listen to the mindless dribble come pouring out the mouthes of carpet salesmen who began running radio stations en masse.

Stop with the Jack is Great crap OK? It's not, it's a new format replacing others, it's on autopilot and it's a crap shoot. There's not alot of brains needed to do it and the outrage doesn't come from replacing some stale old stations, it comes from the bullshit excuses used to put the tired ass format on the air in the first place. It's everything radio never wanted to do and everything radio criticized and ridiculed when many of us were telling them they were headed in the wrong direction almost 10 years ago. No vision, head in the sand, time passes by and radio begins to lose clients, it resorts to something it belittled for years and now it's a genius idea. Please, go blow it out your ass with this stupidity. It's sheer nonsense with lackeys who have their tongues up the asses of the very people who'd fire them in a second.

Nauseating.

> > > Any thoughts out there?
> > >
> > Its gets very bland after awhile. Plus its over cloned and
>
> > jockless.
> >
>
> Yeah, Jack is bland, huh?
>
> Especially compared to all of the other 99.9% of
> stations that have an exciting playlist of less
> than 10% of Jack.
>
> Plus, all of those clone-like 25 Jack radio stations
> in the US have all but put 1500 Country, CHR
> and Classic Rock stations out of business.
>
> Jack is jockless? You're kidding. Seems like alot of the
> research over the past 5-10 years was wrong, listeners
> would like MORE than 4/5 hours of mindless chatter
> every morning? Let's put three or four jocks on Jack
> at all times and take away all of the music. Mostly
> rednecks would be best. That's the hot thing these days.
>
> Then you get...ah...the same old radio stations that
> everyone has been complaining about for years...
>
> Tell Howard Cogan here's his last liner for Jack:
>
> "Jack FM - Same bland 50 songs as everybody else, no music
> in the morning and more mindless chatter and phone pranks
> all day long...you've found paradise...another radio
> station just like everybody else on the dial. And,
> best of all NO time left for Howard Cogan, the devil
> himself, to torment listeners with hours of blab. Geez."
>
> XM and iPod stock holding up?
>
> Come up with something original.
>
 
They've done some super tweaking with Nine and it does a much better job then Jack and there's much more of a wow factor with Nine. Who ever's running the show over there has done a much better job than the first year's debacle.

> > The problem with 1000+ song playlists is finding that many
>
> > songs with staying power. Yeah, it may be cool to hear
> > "Hungry Like The Wolf" or one of INXS's interchangeable
> > songs for a few times since they'd been gone from the
> radio
> > for many years, but after a while the songs you dind't
> > especially like 20 years ago you get sick of again. As
> you
> > said, the format is in it's "honeymoon" stage right now &
> > everyone's jumping on the bandwagon...how many of them
> will
> > jump right back off when the next "big thing" comes along?
>
> >
> > As far as jocks vs jockless goes...it'll be interesting to
>
> > see how this goes...many format changes are launched
> > jockless for the first several months nowadays...I guess
> it
> > was only a matter of time before a format came along that
> > was designed to be that way. I wonder how much the
> average
> > listener cares whether there's a dj or not.
> >
> > I'm pretty much neutral on the format myself...I'll listen
>
> > to "Mike" in Boston from time to time and enjoy it, but I
> > don't see that the format lives up to the hype.
> >
> I personally don't like Jack (at least the Chicago Jack) is
> because the playlist is still considered narrow to me.
> Also, the promos that play between songs makes the claim
> that they play the fewest songs, and they don't. I also
> don't like the "Playing What We Want" slogan. To me, it
> sounds like the station has an attitude problem, like the
> typical formats do. I once heard 12 consecutive commercials
> in a 15 minute period. Nine FM (the Jack clone that's been
> in the market for a year now) has a much wider playlist,
> plus they play some new music. They may not jump on the new
> music right away, but they do add it. While Nine FM was
> operating on just the Chicago south suburban 50kw signal,
> they added personalities 1 to 2 months after the format was
> official. Originally there was one on every daypart, but it
> has since been cut back to mornings, middays, & afternoons
> during the week, and just afternoons (2-7pm CDT/CST) on
> weekends. As far as commercials, they play the fewest, no
> more than 3 minutes worth of commercials, which is usually
> 3-6 commercials, and at the most 9 minutes of commercials an
> hour. Since Nine FM is owned by an independent company,
> they can get away with airing fewer commercials, while CC &
> Infinity air so many (regardless of stations' formats) that
> they need that money in order to satisfy the shareholders.
> We have yet to see the billing for Jack FM (WJMK), but the
> ratings are slightly less than the oldies format it
> replaced, just based on Summer P1 & P2's so far. I listen
> to Nine FM the most, but I'll occasionally listen to WKSC &
> WTMX when in the mood.
>
 
Hostility Against JACK FM?

Mr. Sour Grapes sounds off again. Blah, blah, blah- the same old mind-numbing negativity.


> You really need to stop servicing Infinity management under
> the desk. It's not about Jack sucking, it's about the
> over-hype of a format that plays NOTHING differant than
> what's already being played across the dial. End of story.
> You over-hype it all and hump it's leg all you want, in the
> end, it's the same old (BLEEP) just played on one station.
> Nothing new is being broken and CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
> According to the suits at ALL the companies, "people don't
> want just jukeboxes, that's why we're not too concerned with
> internet radio". I'll never forget that useless, visionless,
> scared because I don't understand NEW things statement made
> by a "well-respected" CEO. And you wonder why radio is where
> it's at, rehashing music in a discombobulated format named
> Jack for ease of branding? It's everything radio said NO ONE
> would listen to at the dawn of technology's ability to offer
> real CHOICE, different FORMATS without having to listen to
> the mindless dribble come pouring out the mouthes of carpet
> salesmen who began running radio stations en masse.
>
> Stop with the Jack is Great crap OK? It's not, it's a new
> format replacing others, it's on autopilot and it's a crap
> shoot. There's not alot of brains needed to do it and the
> outrage doesn't come from replacing some stale old stations,
> it comes from the bullshit excuses used to put the tired ass
> format on the air in the first place. It's everything radio
> never wanted to do and everything radio criticized and
> ridiculed when many of us were telling them they were headed
> in the wrong direction almost 10 years ago. No vision, head
> in the sand, time passes by and radio begins to lose
> clients, it resorts to something it belittled for years and
> now it's a genius idea. Please, go blow it out your ass with
> this stupidity. It's sheer nonsense with lackeys who have
> their tongues up the asses of the very people who'd fire
> them in a second.
>
> Nauseating.
 
Against JACK FM?

and the last time I looked, WJMK had nearly 4 times the audience as NINE FM and they've only been in the format for a couple of months.

> They've done some super tweaking with Nine and it does a
> much better job then Jack and there's much more of a wow
> factor with Nine. Who ever's running the show over there has
> done a much better job than the first year's debacle.
 
Re: Hostility Against JACK FM?

I get it, if someone doesn't agree with something and they "sound-off" in conflict with your position you're "negative". Wow, I guess in your world dissention isn't allowed for fear the happy thoughts would be affected.

One could say that "Mr. Swallow Bird" wants us all to hump a tree and save the whales in honor of his blah blah blah, mind numbing, positive "ohm, ohm, ohm" (insert your chant to the God of automation) flowing train wreck of a format named after his favorite past-time.

Blah, blah, blah, mind numb again. You're too comical!

> Mr. Sour Grapes sounds off again. Blah, blah, blah- the
> same old mind-numbing negativity.
>
>
> > You really need to stop servicing Infinity management
> under
> > the desk. It's not about Jack sucking, it's about the
> > over-hype of a format that plays NOTHING differant than
> > what's already being played across the dial. End of story.
>
> > You over-hype it all and hump it's leg all you want, in
> the
> > end, it's the same old (BLEEP) just played on one station.
>
> > Nothing new is being broken and CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
> > According to the suits at ALL the companies, "people don't
>
> > want just jukeboxes, that's why we're not too concerned
> with
> > internet radio". I'll never forget that useless,
> visionless,
> > scared because I don't understand NEW things statement
> made
> > by a "well-respected" CEO. And you wonder why radio is
> where
> > it's at, rehashing music in a discombobulated format named
>
> > Jack for ease of branding? It's everything radio said NO
> ONE
> > would listen to at the dawn of technology's ability to
> offer
> > real CHOICE, different FORMATS without having to listen to
>
> > the mindless dribble come pouring out the mouthes of
> carpet
> > salesmen who began running radio stations en masse.
> >
> > Stop with the Jack is Great crap OK? It's not, it's a new
> > format replacing others, it's on autopilot and it's a crap
>
> > shoot. There's not alot of brains needed to do it and the
> > outrage doesn't come from replacing some stale old
> stations,
> > it comes from the bullshit excuses used to put the tired
> ass
> > format on the air in the first place. It's everything
> radio
> > never wanted to do and everything radio criticized and
> > ridiculed when many of us were telling them they were
> headed
> > in the wrong direction almost 10 years ago. No vision,
> head
> > in the sand, time passes by and radio begins to lose
> > clients, it resorts to something it belittled for years
> and
> > now it's a genius idea. Please, go blow it out your ass
> with
> > this stupidity. It's sheer nonsense with lackeys who have
> > their tongues up the asses of the very people who'd fire
> > them in a second.
> >
> > Nauseating.
>
 
Re: Against JACK FM?

Wow, thank God! Oh, wait, they had five times that before the format flip. You're a lackey. You're a Jack "pug", that's OK. Gives us something to laugh at. You worship the strangest things. Keep up the good work and you'll get a promotion to food tester.

> and the last time I looked, WJMK had nearly 4 times the
> audience as NINE FM and they've only been in the format for
> a couple of months.
>
> > They've done some super tweaking with Nine and it does a
> > much better job then Jack and there's much more of a wow
> > factor with Nine. Who ever's running the show over there
> has
> > done a much better job than the first year's debacle.
>
 
Hostility?

Yer kidding. OK, show of hands- all who think musicloverII has a negative view of Jack/Variety Hits format?

This has nothing to do with me. If you don't believe you have a negative opinion of JACK, you are in complete denial.


> I get it, if someone doesn't agree with something and they
> "sound-off" in conflict with your position you're
> "negative". Wow, I guess in your world dissention isn't
> allowed for fear the happy thoughts would be affected.
 
JACK FM?

I don't "worship" any radio format. The FACTS are that WJMK has (12+) nearly 4 times Nine FM's audience. Not opinion- just the fact, jack (sorry, couldn't help myself)

> Wow, thank God! Oh, wait, they had five times that before
> the format flip. You're a lackey. You're a Jack "pug",
> that's OK. Gives us something to laugh at. You worship the
> strangest things. Keep up the good work and you'll get a
> promotion to food tester.
>
> > and the last time I looked, WJMK had nearly 4 times the
> > audience as NINE FM and they've only been in the format
> for a couple of months.

>
 
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