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Why Is WBOS Succeeding After WBCN Failed?

A post below tells us that WBCN is being re-launched as an internet station. Which leads me to ask why WBOS is Top 10 while CBS couldn't make WBCN functional anymore.

WBOS is not just doing well with the 6+ audience but they're also doing great with Men 25-54 and I assume with an Alternative format, they're also getting younger men tuned in as well.

I know that CBS wanted to put an FM Sports format on the air in Boston, as they have in a dozen other sizable markets. So one of the CBS FM stations in Boston had to go. And WBCN, after losing Howard Stern and not knowing what to do with the changing tastes in Rock was the most vulnerable.

Howard likes to point out that so many of his major CBS stations collapsed after he left terrestrial radio. WBCN, WXRK NYC, KLSX LA, WYSP Philadelphia and WJFK Washington are either gone or doing an entirely different format (Top 40 in NYC and LA, Sports in Boston, Philly and DC).

Why did WBCN fail while WBOS is doing well as an Alternative station?


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I think it's all about the approach. WBCN skewed a bit more towards the harder-rocking end of Alternative, and had an edgier presentation with "shock jocks". On the other hand, WBOS leans more towards Modern AC, and has an "all about the music" approach with limited talk, which apparently is what most Boston listeners wanted. Meanwhile, WFNX has a more purely Alternative approach than either station has/had, and continues to chug along with a modest but loyal listener base.
 
I think WBCN was the unfortunate victim of a time in CBS' history where they were so unprepared for the loss of Stern, that they had "bigger" concerns.

If anything, I believe it sent an additional clear message, Morning shows *must* be part of the entire station brand.

When stations who subscribed to the "we're two different stations...Howard & the rest of the day" mentality, suddenly found themselves with no identity in the highest-billing daypart, the revenue losses had to be ridiculous. Everyone searched for a quick-fix. They rushed in to the "Free FM" concept. They thought (as is often the case) that a "celebrity" could carry their stations based upon name recognition. They found that what we do, cannot be done effectively by just anybody. That's because it works in NY, doesn't mean it will work in Sacramento. It was a hard lesson. WBCN was a great station. It remains the inspiration for why I do this.

I honestly think they lost it, when they began reacting. When they were forced by board-room consultants to swallow the pill of "national performance" by other successful stations in the company.

Perception is reality. My perception of WBCN when I was growing up, was that it was the place that either ignored the trends, or set them in a unique-to-Boston fashion. It never conformed. It was its own machine. Didn't matter if Huey Lewis was the biggest thing in the Midwest. WBCN was playing Fischer Zed. It was a different time. A time when being individual, seemed to matter. WBCN was unique. And when it lost that identity, it became just another choice. Think WBOS when it was Rock 92/9.

That's what it became. No personality. Just another background appliance.

Playing the Rolling Stones next to the Killers may have worked when the WBCN I grew up with existed. But after the fragmented format plague of the 90's, the lines were too cut n' dry. Rock is Rock is Rock. But, promotional budgets and the desire to siphon money from several accounts from the same record company for the same song, across multiple formats, caused a narrowing of lanes, that choked itself out.

That being said, a station like WBCN was in it's heyday, (it's assumed) wouldn't really perform in PPM today.

Unfortunately, we're told that "there is no exclusive cume." People scan. And when they come upon your station, it better hook 'em. The philosophy? Familiar, and tight. Look at KISS 108. Huge cume. Monotonous, repetitive, and ungodly short separation.

Winner.

A quick scan of WBOS' gold shows nothing but crushing hit songs. Is it adventurous? No. Is it groundbreaking? No. It's popular. And that's our business. We're are in the "please love me" business. The formula is no longer to educate. It is to regurgitate.

"Give the people what they want" - The Kinks

WBCN lost it's identity not because of the people in-building. They were talented, and connected with the audience. They lost it when they tried to be *not* WBCN. They stood as one of the greatest Rock stations in radio history. They lost it...when they lost that identity. They never embraced the changes legitimately. You *knew* they became something they didn't want to be. You could hear it. Credibility may not mean anything in the pop world. But, if you don't have it in Rock, you're dead in the water.

WBOS doesn't have the legacy of being *so* well-branded, it could not re-identify itself. WBOS has been so many different formats, that it's as disposable as the state of formats today. They play the hits. And in PPM, that allegedly wins.

Until something better comes along...

Which would take time, money, & patience to develop.

WBCN meant something. It meant *so* much to so many, it couldn't adapt with any credibility to become a disposable, background appliance.

It could be resurrected. If done properly.

HD-3 and webcasts aren't the answer.
 
BCN came on in '68 as freeform progressive rock. The jocks pretty much played what they wanted. The station sounded good or sucked depending who was on. The station became more and more pretentious with the jocks actually believing that they were musically superior to their audience. By 1975 they were playing disco on Saturday nights. BUT......... They were the only girl at the party.

WCOZ began rocking August '75. Suddenly there were two girls at the party and COZ was the prettier one who loved to have fun. BCN did some soul searching and got their act together. The fight was on! '78 the "late" Tommy Hadges defected to COZ and Mark Parenteau jumped from COZ to BCN. Mr. Hastings sold WBCN in 1979. The first thing the new owner did was fire a bunch of people. All the other employees walked off the job and went on strike. Mr. Weiner (the new owner) immediately brought in a bunch of scabs and sponsors pulled ads. The owner caved and blew out the scabs and brought everybody back. There was a good battle and by 1983 WBCN won and WCOZ died.

About that time WAAF segued into classic rock and BCN began adding more classic cuts. Then WZLX came on with classic rock and BCN added yet more classic rock. By the '90s WBCN was 90% classic rock, Charles was doing a lot of gabbing in the morning, Mark was doing the same in afternoons and Howard Stern was being DBed at night. For those of you unfamiliar with Alt rock, none of these things play for the Alt listener. Maybe mid '90s WZLX was acquired and became WBCN's sister station. Classic rock stayed on ZLX and WBCN went back to new rock with Stern in the morning, afternoon "shows" yakking in the afternoon, Patriots football and sports yak... Everyone knows where things went from there...

The key thing that nobody ever considers is: WFNX came on around 1984 as an Alt rocker and has remained reasonably consistent with the format ever since. They regularly cume around 250,000 people, virtually all of them P1s. They run a good program model in that the cume remains solidly in the middle of their desired demographic. The new audience is ageing into the format at pace with those ageing out of it, indicating to me a very good balance. WFNX has the core P1's that BCN forfeited with all their programming "frigging in the rigging" stunts BCN had pulled the past 30 years.

WBOS beat WBCN by matching them song for song. Why? Simply because WBOS played a great deal more of them! People are listening for the music. WBOS isn't taking any P1's away from WFNX however. When I'm in town my radio is tuned to 101.7. For their music.

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Howard Stern is what killed off WBCN. Plain and simple. If the PPM was in effect back then, he would have never been the ratings success he was. It was a low cume, high TSL show. Most of his listeners drifted away when he signed off. Most of the stations he was on are gone now. WXRK/NY and KLSX (now KAMP)/LA are CHR's. WYSP/Philly and WJFK/DC, like BCN, went sports. A few of them, like WCCC/Hartford and WNCX/Cleveland, have survived due to strong music positioning during and after the Stern era. Sadly, that wasn't the case with WBCN.

As the 90's wore on, WBCN became just another corporate alternative station with Howard in the morning, Lovelines and pro football. There was nothing special about it. The 'BCN of the 70's and 80's with Charles, Oedipus and all the rest was long gone. For me, when grunge petered out and rock stations decided around 1996 that Metallica was an alternative band, I was gone. I'm only 46 now. They needed to keep listeners like me for their long term survival. Then, when they became a more current version of WAAF around 2000, the station was already in a coma. It was just waiting around to die.

It wasn't that WBOS was doing anything special when they flipped to Radio 92.9 and WBCN wasn't. The WBCN brand was already damaged beyond saving. WBOS just shut up and played the alt rock hits. When WBCN was finally put out of it's misery in 2009, few tears were shed. Most of the post-mortems were from listeners who loved the station back in its AOR heyday, but most weren't active listeners in the years leading up to the end. But what would have happened if WBCN continued to evolve as a mainstream rock, music intensive station offering compelling local programming instead of all the talk and corporate crap? They probably would have still been around, much like WMMR/Philly, WDVE/Pittsburgh or WHJY/Providence.
 
'BCN had nowhere to go after 2008. The loss of Opie and Anthony, combined with addition of the same Led Zeppelin songs over and over again. 'BCN also had no direction, and they were playing less and less new music as the years progressed. It was only a matter of time and WAAF will eventually see the same fate as entercom flips that to WRKO 97.7. or 107.3 FM. I think that WFNX rehired alot of their old on-air help and kept their on-air staff as well, which is what has saved them.

WBOS really didn't need to flip from what was a strong Triple-A format to essentially an i-pod Alt-Rock format but it worked nevertheless for them.
 
surfin bird said:
'BCN had nowhere to go after 2008. The loss of Opie and Anthony, combined with addition of the same Led Zeppelin songs over and over again. 'BCN also had no direction, and they were playing less and less new music as the years progressed. It was only a matter of time and WAAF will eventually see the same fate as entercom flips that to WRKO 97.7. or 107.3 FM. I think that WFNX rehired alot of their old on-air help and kept their on-air staff as well, which is what has saved them.

WBOS really didn't need to flip from what was a strong Triple-A format to essentially an i-pod Alt-Rock format but it worked nevertheless for them.

I disagree on WAAF. I think it's a fantastic sounding station, and healthy at that. Great personalities, hands down THE BEST imaging and production anywhere in New England, and a great music mix. I think it's a fantastic product, and obviously the advertisers agree. The heritage and dual signals don't hurt, either. It clearly makes money, sounds good, and I don't think it's in danger of a flip at all.

Your casual rock listener likes a mix of new and old. New rock is very fragmented, straight ahead classic rock can be stale. A mix of old familiarity and wide-appeal new tracks is a winner, at least in my view.
 
This is one of the most intelligent...well-thought threads I have ever read on this board. Some terrific thoughts all the way around!
 
WBCN killed itself with the programming moves in the last few years of its life. O+A, Lovelines? Yawwwwnnnn. Whatever was special was dying at that point.

WBOS stepped in and played the music while WBOS was floundering under Joel Hollander's leadership... the same one that turned WCBS-FM into Jack-FM in NYC. We all know how well that, Free-FM and some of the other hairbrained ideas worked out. Like DLR replacing Stern! Oh yeah, forgot about that debacle.

My point is that had CBS radio been in more capable hands like it is now, WBCN may still be around in a newer, fresher version still true to its original self.
 
In 2009, did CBS kill the wrong station? Should they have tweaked WBCN's format and moved it away from the music that WZLX plays and replaced either WBMX or WODS with sports talk instead?
 
wcozBoston said:
In 2009, did CBS kill the wrong station? Should they have tweaked WBCN's format and moved it away from the music that WZLX plays and replaced either WBMX or WODS with sports talk instead?

WODS has the ratings and the revenue, they were never in danger.

I believe that when it came to WBMX or WBCN, they were both projects that needed work. I think that demo balance in the cluster was also a consideration. If you killed off WBMX, there goes your female skewing station, and you have a heavily male-skewing cluster, with all 4 FM's skewing male.

Most of all, however, it's the fact that Greg Strassell will never let anyone change or kill his baby. It's not a coincidence that PD after PD hasn't lasted at BMX. Greg launched WBMX in 1991, and he won't let anyone touch it. As the SVP of all 130 stations, he's got the pull to make it so.

I mean, BMX is doing okay, but it's not reaching its full potential and I believe the status quo will remain until either the money totally dries up or Strassell retires.
 
wcozBoston said:
In 2009, did CBS kill the wrong station? Should they have tweaked WBCN's format and moved it away from the music that WZLX plays and replaced either WBMX or WODS with sports talk instead?

At some point, WZLX will have to evolve as well. 1992 was 20 years ago. Get ready for "Come As You Are" on Classic Rock. It's already happening in other places across the US.

You only have to look North (WGIR/WHEB) & South (WHJY) to see WBCN could've been fixed. They had the better signal. They had the better heritage. They were set for success in PPM. And CBS moved too soon.
 
reelyreal said:
Greg Strassell will never let anyone change or kill his baby. It's not a coincidence that PD after PD hasn't lasted at BMX. Greg launched WBMX in 1991, and he won't let anyone touch it. As the SVP of all 130 stations, he's got the pull to make it so.

I mean, BMX is doing okay, but it's not reaching its full potential and I believe the status quo will remain until either the money totally dries up or Strassell retires.

He'd blow it up in a heartbeat if he had something better. But he doesn't. Until then he'll continue his trademarked programming strategy of assuming people are stupid and laying on the celebrity gossip and "artist information" like it was 1993 all over again. WBMX long ago stopped relating to its core and desperately needs to understand that people have more going on in their lives than reality shows, celebrity gossip, and breathless excitement about over-the-hill music acts performing in some bar.
 
More importantly, all of the celebrity gossip that was only found on the radio and some newspapers in 1993 is now found... well, almost everywhere. People will have it on their smartphone before they hear it on the radio. The only thing that can make it unique is if there is a talent with a particular take on the subject that people want to hear. That's why Howard Stern talking about a gossip story is more interesting than someone simply reporting it.

Unless they have the staff and "news" gathering power of a TMZ, what's the point? It's old news by the time 75% of your audience hears it on your station.
 
Neanderpaul said:
wcozBoston said:
In 2009, did CBS kill the wrong station? Should they have tweaked WBCN's format and moved it away from the music that WZLX plays and replaced either WBMX or WODS with sports talk instead?

At some point, WZLX will have to evolve as well. 1992 was 20 years ago. Get ready for "Come As You Are" on Classic Rock. It's already happening in other places across the US.

You only have to look North (WGIR/WHEB) & South (WHJY) to see WBCN could've been fixed. They had the better signal. They had the better heritage. They were set for success in PPM. And CBS moved too soon.

I will go on record and say that as long as Carter is at the helm, WZLX will never play Nirvana...which is perfectly fine with me.
 
After the Howard Stern tumor metastasized, WBCN couldn't just shut up and play music any more. They became a talk station sans compelling talk personalities. WBOS has no jocks.

If the 'BCN Disc Jockeys could have learned the art of brevity, the station might have retained a lot more appeal.

The obnoxious mix of the same 5 alternative bands over and over didn't help either. Both FNX and AAF have has figured this out and have a much better mix now. Musically BOS is now more like Mike FM than WBCN.
 
Would a format more like WGIR, WHEB or WHJY have worked at WBCN, more like an AOR format? How much of those would overlap with WZLX?
 
Signpost said:
After the Howard Stern tumor metastasized, WBCN couldn't just shut up and play music any more. They became a talk station sans compelling talk personalities. WBOS has no jocks.

If the 'BCN Disc Jockeys could have learned the art of brevity, the station might have retained a lot more appeal.

The obnoxious mix of the same 5 alternative bands over and over didn't help either. Both FNX and AAF have has figured this out and have a much better mix now. Musically BOS is now more like Mike FM than WBCN.

The wheels came off the chariot for 'BCN. They tried to be too many different things to too many people. They lost their way. (Maybe became a little too full of themselves)

At first when WBOS switched to Alternative from AAA, I thought "why"? But they knew what they were doing and brought a fresh irresistible approach to the music.
 
At first when WBOS switched to Alternative from AAA, I thought "why"? But they knew what they were doing and brought a fresh irresistible approach to the music.

Fresh and irresistible? Really? An iPod with a transmitter attached to it and some commercial breaks? It's a computer in a closet.

WXRV and WFNX are fresh. They have live people on the air most of the time, and don't play Sublime every 5 minutes. Seriously, how many times can they play Sublime at WBOS?

We're Boring Old S...
 
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