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Why Not More Radio-TV- Cable Simulcasts

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Casablanca

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Remember as a very young child hearing radio-TV simulcasts of shows like Arthur Godfrey and even Jack Benny. They seemed to work to my young ears.

Wonder why morning drive programs like the Today Show or its ABC/CBS counterparts or whatever MSNBC is doing with Morning Joe (Scarborough) can't be simulcasts on the radio.

We are all very mobile in the morning and I for one don't have the time to sit in front of a TV. I would work for me to hear the Today Show et al on the radio and the local hook-up could make it an easy sell at low cost of local talent and the networks could charge more to their national sponsors considering they expanded their listening base and range.Sure, the programs would have to be rescripted somewhat to describe to a radio audience what they cannot see, but that is not difficult.
 
I Remember as a very young child hearing radio-TV simulcasts of shows like Arthur Godfrey and even Jack Benny. They seemed to work to my young ears.

A portion of Arthur Godfrey Time was for a time simulcast, and because the format was essentially that of a radio variety program, it worked okay. Benny's program never was simulcast, for a lot of reason, one being the network was afraid of audience fratricide. A number of the old radio scripts were reworked for television with added visuals and gags, and a couple of the TV programs were built around producing the radio program, sort of a 'show within a show' theme. This may have been what you were recalling.

Wonder why morning drive programs like the Today Show or its ABC/CBS counterparts or whatever MSNBC is doing with Morning Joe (Scarborough) can't be simulcasts on the radio.

Not a bad idea, strickly from a carriage point of view. Visuals aren't exactly a strongpoint with any of those programs. On the other hand, WBZ runs the audio for Sixty Minutes on Sunday nights, and it often comes up short without the visuals which are often integral to the story lines. Still not bad for passing the time considering the junk often run on Sunday night, but not exactly anything you'd want to hang your hat on in a competitive AMD environment.

We are all very mobile in the morning and I for one don't have the time to sit in front of a TV.

Back in the 80’s, some associates and I had the idea of taking a network of local stations with half decent signals in high population areas (think WKOX, WJDA, WESX, and the like) and leasing all the time between 10am and 4pm and running the audio tracks of all the television soap operas. Just the nature of the programs (dialog heavy, continuous, endless, storylines) would have made it a natural. We would have turned female numbers which would have made advertisers’ eyes water. Unfortunately, the lawyers checked and reported that the rights fee arrangements would have been a nightmare (too many players at the TV show level, and all with reasons for having their hands out.) Damn…it would have been beautiful. I still think it would have worked.

I would work for me to hear the Today Show et al on the radio and the local hook-up could make it an easy sell at low cost of local talent and the networks could charge more to their national sponsors considering they expanded their listening base and range.

That’s a pretty tough sell, especially since most television ads don’t work real well on radio. You’d also have an AMD show with little or no local content, which has only worked with a few major players (Imus, Stern) and would be pretty easy to counterprogram.
At that, I don’t think Imus on MSNBC was sold as a combo.

Sure, the programs would have to be rescripted somewhat to describe to a radio audience what they cannot see, but that is not difficult.

There’s a reason radio play by play is so much different from television play by play. Not easy to tweak to everyone’s satisfaction. But, as long as you stuck with the talking head morning shows, shouldn’t have to rescript anything. Plus TV clocks are essentially chiseled in stone, so you could even automate it.

Remember all of the confusion over pre-empted shows during the pre-season? That may have hurt Carr's show....

Except that the home opener was April 10th, the book started on April 15, and during the entire book the Sox played exactly 3 weekday day games, of which WRKO carried precisely zero.
Now, people may have thought that WRKO was going to have a 4 hour pre-game show everyday and decided not to bother to see if Carr was on, but that’s pretty unlikely. I know that some circles are trying to use this as an excuse for Carr taking a hit in the book, but it’s just spin.

Regards,
TSB
 
Casablanca said:
Wonder why morning drive programs like the Today Show or its ABC/CBS counterparts or whatever MSNBC is doing with Morning Joe (Scarborough) can't be simulcasts on the radio.

I don't know about AM drive but two (mostly brokered-time) AMs in this market (WBIX and WBNW) have been simulcasting Cable-TV audio for months. WBIX simulcasts NECN M-F from 8:00PM to 10:00PM. WBNW's schedule is much more erratic and hard to track but they run CNN audio in various dayparts for which they apparently can't find independent program producers who will lease the time. In my opinion, NECN works quite well on WBIX because relatively little of the material depends on the video. CNN is not quite as well suited to radio but is tolerable.
 
Hate to disagree with you regarding The Jack Benny Show but I clearly remember hearing it on the radio in my parents car on Sunday night around 7 and coming home and seeing the balance on television - B&W of course. ;)


TSBench said:
I Remember as a very young child hearing radio-TV simulcasts of shows like Arthur Godfrey and even Jack Benny. They seemed to work to my young ears.

A portion of Arthur Godfrey Time was for a time simulcast, and because the format was essentially that of a radio variety program, it worked okay. Benny's program never was simulcast, for a lot of reason, one being the network was afraid of audience fratricide. A number of the old radio scripts were reworked for television with added visuals and gags, and a couple of the TV programs were built around producing the radio program, sort of a 'show within a show' theme. This may have been what you were recalling.

Wonder why morning drive programs like the Today Show or its ABC/CBS counterparts or whatever MSNBC is doing with Morning Joe (Scarborough) can't be simulcasts on the radio.

Not a bad idea, strickly from a carriage point of view. Visuals aren't exactly a strongpoint with any of those programs. On the other hand, WBZ runs the audio for Sixty Minutes on Sunday nights, and it often comes up short without the visuals which are often integral to the story lines. Still not bad for passing the time considering the junk often run on Sunday night, but not exactly anything you'd want to hang your hat on in a competitive AMD environment.

We are all very mobile in the morning and I for one don't have the time to sit in front of a TV.

Back in the 80’s, some associates and I had the idea of taking a network of local stations with half decent signals in high population areas (think WKOX, WJDA, WESX, and the like) and leasing all the time between 10am and 4pm and running the audio tracks of all the television soap operas. Just the nature of the programs (dialog heavy, continuous, endless, storylines) would have made it a natural. We would have turned female numbers which would have made advertisers’ eyes water. Unfortunately, the lawyers checked and reported that the rights fee arrangements would have been a nightmare (too many players at the TV show level, and all with reasons for having their hands out.) Damn…it would have been beautiful. I still think it would have worked.

I would work for me to hear the Today Show et al on the radio and the local hook-up could make it an easy sell at low cost of local talent and the networks could charge more to their national sponsors considering they expanded their listening base and range.

That’s a pretty tough sell, especially since most television ads don’t work real well on radio. You’d also have an AMD show with little or no local content, which has only worked with a few major players (Imus, Stern) and would be pretty easy to counterprogram.
At that, I don’t think Imus on MSNBC was sold as a combo.

Sure, the programs would have to be rescripted somewhat to describe to a radio audience what they cannot see, but that is not difficult.

There’s a reason radio play by play is so much different from television play by play. Not easy to tweak to everyone’s satisfaction. But, as long as you stuck with the talking head morning shows, shouldn’t have to rescript anything. Plus TV clocks are essentially chiseled in stone, so you could even automate it.

Remember all of the confusion over pre-empted shows during the pre-season? That may have hurt Carr's show....

Except that the home opener was April 10th, the book started on April 15, and during the entire book the Sox played exactly 3 weekday day games, of which WRKO carried precisely zero.
Now, people may have thought that WRKO was going to have a 4 hour pre-game show everyday and decided not to bother to see if Carr was on, but that’s pretty unlikely. I know that some circles are trying to use this as an excuse for Carr taking a hit in the book, but it’s just spin.

Regards,
TSB
 
Hate to disagree with you regarding The Jack Benny Show but I clearly remember hearing it on the radio in my parents car on Sunday night around 7 and coming home and seeing the balance on television - B&W of course.

Well, you can disagree all you like, but the fact of the matter is that the Jack Benny radio program was never simulcast on television. In fact, this is pretty easy to check out, so why maintain something that obviously is impossible, despite what you think you remember?

At one time, Benny's radio program bumped up against a television program he co-hosted, the Chrysler Shower of Stars, and Benny would sign off the radio program with "see you on television", but he was refering to the Chrysler program, and not a simulcast of the radio program.

I wouldn't think this would be so hard to understand, but life is full of surprises.


Regards,
TSB
 
Don't like to argue with my elders but why do I remember on dozens of occasions being in my parents car on a Sunday evening - often coming back from the Howard Johnson's on Gallivan Blvd. - listening to the Jack Benny Show on RADIO and going home to the South Shore and seeing the Benny show on television. Could there have been two separate runs of the program? One for radio and one for television.
It happened too many time for me to "misremember"... ;)

TSBench said:
Hate to disagree with you regarding The Jack Benny Show but I clearly remember hearing it on the radio in my parents car on Sunday night around 7 and coming home and seeing the balance on television - B&W of course.

Well, you can disagree all you like, but the fact of the matter is that the Jack Benny radio program was never simulcast on television. In fact, this is pretty easy to check out, so why maintain something that obviously is impossible, despite what you think you remember?

At one time, Benny's radio program bumped up against a television program he co-hosted, the Chrysler Shower of Stars, and Benny would sign off the radio program with "see you on television", but he was refering to the Chrysler program, and not a simulcast of the radio program.

I wouldn't think this would be so hard to understand, but life is full of surprises.


Regards,
TSB
 
Don't like to argue with my elders

Would seem to be a good policy.

but why do I remember on dozens of occasions being in my parents car on a Sunday evening -often coming back from the Howard Johnson's on Gallivan Blvd. - listening to the Jack Benny Show on RADIO and going home to the South Shore and seeing the Benny show on television.

Beats the heck out of me, but whatever it was, it wasn't a television simulcast of the radio program, which was produced and staged differently and independently of the television progam. It may well of been the Chrysler program that you saw on television, since it followed the Benny radio program, but wasn't a simulcast of it (as it couldn't have been by definition) and the formats were different.

. Could there have been two separate runs of the program? One for radio and one for television.

Nope, but there were a couple of radio scripts which were later reworked for television. Has nothing to do with programs being simulcast, though.

Regards,
TSB
 
who is this Jack Benny you speak of and who is Howard Johnson? Did he have a house on Gallivan Blvd where you visited him on Sundays...

Someone told me Paul McCartney was in this band before Wings too... named after an old VW car of some sort.
 
Neggy, would you like us to forward a couple of boxes of Pampers to you? You are either very young . . .or very old. ;)


Neggy said:
who is this Jack Benny you speak of and who is Howard Johnson? Did he have a house on Gallivan Blvd where you visited him on Sundays...

Someone told me Paul McCartney was in this band before Wings too... named after an old VW car of some sort.
 
Some stations now rebroadcast CNN Headline News part of the time...WBIX rebroadcasts some
nightly NECN shows. **
If a station wanted to do some programming on the cheap (for overnights or something) I could see
a small AM station doing a simulcast of CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC, or even C-SPAN...

...sometimes WTKK will carry MSNBC's audio like when there's a presidential debate or breaking
news (the VT shootings; death of Gerald Ford etc)

some stations carry a local TV newscast, esp. in smaller markets.

**--from WBIX site:
8:00pm to 8:30pm “NECN/Chet Curtis Report” with Chet Curtis
8.:30pm to 9:00pm “NECN/Executive Corner”
9:00pm to 10:00pm “NECN/News At Nine”
 
CBS was simulcasting the Late Show with David Letterman for awhile on a bunch of CBS radio stations. Cable News like Fox News is broadcast on XM and Sirius and is pretty good to be able to drive around and listen to cable news.
 
As to radio/TV simulcasts I hosted the exclusive radio feed of The Joan Rivers Show in the mid 80's when that very unchristian Pat Robertson would not carry her show of Channel 25 which he then owed. Remember, Joan is ....a....not Christian... :(
WMRE which in its last incarnation at 1510 became a talk format and the mid hour of my program was given over to Joan Rivers. Considering the non-existent 1510 signal at night I was happy for any lead in.
Not sure which went off first, WMRE or Joan Rivers but fun while it lasted.

Another Jack Roberts spectacular... ;)
 
I remember the whole WMRE deal...right around the time the station was due to go off air, the staff gathered
at a place called the Breakfast Club (corner of Brookline & Boylston streets)...an interesting place in that you could dine on breakfast food at night along with your drinks, etc. They mentioned it on WMRE (listeners
were invited to drop by). Bob Katzen was there along with a guy who had done comedy bits on his show
as Finkel the Fox (and he even had a little fox doll)*. Morgan White Jr. may have been there...even Chris Lydon dropped by at one point.
Well, at one point they put a radio on 1510, tuned to the show, and the situation about being heard
only ON THE RADIO was mentioned on Joan's show...

Stay on top...1510, WMRE.

*--Katzen used to also have a character on named Yugas who was not exactly a native English speaker...
he kept referring to it mistakenly as "the Bill Casper Show". Katzen's theme, also used as an intro IIRC,
was the version of the Batman theme by The Jam, with "Katzen! Katzen" sung instead of "Batman!" etc
 
Bring Back Bob Katzen :)


raccoonradio said:
I remember the whole WMRE deal...right around the time the station was due to go off air, the staff gathered
at a place called the Breakfast Club (corner of Brookline & Boylston streets)...an interesting place in that you could dine on breakfast food at night along with your drinks, etc. They mentioned it on WMRE (listeners
were invited to drop by). Bob Katzen was there along with a guy who had done comedy bits on his show
as Finkel the Fox (and he even had a little fox doll)*. Morgan White Jr. may have been there...even Chris Lydon dropped by at one point.
Well, at one point they put a radio on 1510, tuned to the show, and the situation about being heard
only ON THE RADIO was mentioned on Joan's show...

Stay on top...1510, WMRE.

*--Katzen used to also have a character on named Yugas who was not exactly a native English speaker...
he kept referring to it mistakenly as "the Bill Casper Show". Katzen's theme, also used as an intro IIRC,
was the version of the Batman theme by The Jam, with "Katzen! Katzen" sung instead of "Batman!" etc
 
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