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Engineering/DSP-X ???

You can't ask a question about Orban or Omnia without
being bombarded with DSP-X hype.
Talk about inconsiderate. How would you feel if you
asked a question specific to a DSP-X and most of your
replys suggested buying Orban or Omnia?
What good is this board then? It's not. I'm gone.
 
> Engineering/DSP-X ???
>
> You can't ask a question about Orban or Omnia without
> being bombarded with DSP-X hype.
> Talk about inconsiderate. How would you feel if you
> asked a question specific to a DSP-X and most of your
> replys suggested buying Orban or Omnia?
> What good is this board then? It's not. I'm gone.
>

Well, I think the board serves a lot of good.

Yes, we do have one or two DSP-X fans here, and I need to tame them down now and then, but they really do like the product.

Face it, processors are like women (or men, Vide0chik)...every person has a different opinion of their dream model.

To the rest of the people involved...he has a point. From here on out, if someone asks about an Omnia or Optimod, or DSP-X, answer the question. DO NOT go and say "buy a..." unless they ask for your opinion.

Comprende?

Thanks. <P ID="signature">______________
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And ehre I thought all the answers were found by using AM Stereo! :)

> > Engineering/DSP-X ???
> >
> > You can't ask a question about Orban or Omnia without
> > being bombarded with DSP-X hype.
> > Talk about inconsiderate. How would you feel if you
> > asked a question specific to a DSP-X and most of your
> > replys suggested buying Orban or Omnia?
> > What good is this board then? It's not. I'm gone.
> >
>
> Well, I think the board serves a lot of good.
>
> Yes, we do have one or two DSP-X fans here, and I need to
> tame them down now and then, but they really do like the
> product.
>
> Face it, processors are like women (or men,
> Vide0chik)...every person has a different opinion of their
> dream model.
>
> To the rest of the people involved...he has a point. From
> here on out, if someone asks about an Omnia or Optimod, or
> DSP-X, answer the question. DO NOT go and say "buy a..."
> unless they ask for your opinion.
>
> Comprende?
>
> Thanks.
>
 
> Talk about inconsiderate. How would you feel if you
> asked a question specific to a DSP-X and most of your
> replys suggested buying Orban or Omnia?

As far as I've seen, specific processing questions on specific processor are answered specifically.

But when someone says s/he is thinking on buying a processor make A, someone might suggest trying processor make B. What's wrong with that?

The fact that a certain make is being repeated doesn't mean nothing other than the product is probably worth looking into.

If someone said s/he is looking into buying DSP-X, I would be the first to suggest he tries Omnia-3fmt as well. But that is often not needed as we had Omnia hype a decade ago ;-)


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
Hype?

Goran,

Hype is PR/Marketing info that does not accomplish much of anything. It's the same talk that politicians speak, and then nothing gets done.

If our efforts of 10 years ago was hype, then I wonder why Omnia has outsold, and contines to out sell, it's closest competitor by a 3:1 margin. That's not hype, it's real!

-Frank Foti

> If someone said s/he is looking into buying DSP-X, I would
> be the first to suggest he tries Omnia-3fmt as well. But
> that is often not needed as we had Omnia hype a decade ago
> ;-)
>
>
> Regards,
> Goran Tomas
>
 
> As far as I've seen, specific processing questions on
> specific processor are answered specifically.

I can't count on my two hands & two feet how many times I've heard someone say something about a door-stop & instead to try [insert_here] broadcast processor... when someone is asking about just preset ideas. Not to mention all the other times someone was stupid enough to repeat that sorry tired statement.

Just one other example of things that should (imo) be grounds for warnings & eventually banned.
 
Re: Hype?

> Goran,
>
> Hype is PR/Marketing info that does not accomplish much of
> anything. It's the same talk that politicians speak, and
> then nothing gets done.
>
> If our efforts of 10 years ago was hype, then I wonder why
> Omnia has outsold, and contines to out sell, it's closest
> competitor by a 3:1 margin. That's not hype, it's real!
>

various excerpts from dictionaries and descriptions of a word from our friend google.

HYPE:
--------------
Extreme promotion of a person, idea, or product.
--------------
when something is continually advertised and discussed in newspapers, on television, etc. in order to attract everyone's interest:
--------------
somebody or something overpublicized: a widely publicized person or thing.
--------------
noun.
1. extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.
2 a deception or hoax.

verb. promote or publicize intensively or extravagantly.
--------------
hype
noun INFORMAL
when something is continually advertised and discussed in newspapers, on television, etc. in order to attract everyone's interest:
media hype
There's been a lot of hype around/surrounding his latest film.
I've been put off reading the book by all the hype.

hype
verb [T often passive] (ALSO hype up) INFORMAL
to continually advertise and discuss something in newspapers, on television, etc. in order to attract everyone's interest:
It's being hyped as the musical event of the year.
--------------

-----------------------

Just like discussed in a previous thread hype can be paralled to good marketing. It doesn't have to be a bad thing and no one is saying nothing is real. Omnia's success is real for sure but there is a lot of hype in the marketing (see above for a definition of the word to understand the context of the previous sentence to fully understand that i am not being negative, far from it in fact)

see you all in Vegas!

best regards
scott
 
Re: Hype?

Frank,


I'm sorry I was misunderstood :-( but I was rephrasing the original poster, that's why I used the word hype. Looking back I realize I didn't stop to think what the word actually means (you'll have to for give me as English is not my native language). Instead I just 'borrowed' it.

I did not mean to say that Omnia is hype in a meaning of the word that you explained, just like I don't think DSPX or Orban is hype in that sense either.

What I was trying to say is that when Omnia was new, there was a lot of people advising others to look at Omnia. I'm pretty sure that when somebody even mentioned processing (let alone Orban!) there was somebody else mentioning Omnia. Something very similar that is happening now with DSPX.

I can understand that some might be irritated, just like I'm sure some didn't like all the buzz (is that OK word?) that was created around Omnia, but it's IMO a natural way of things when there is something new and people want to spread the word and share their experiences.

It does not mean that DSPX will be either more successful than Orban or Omnia, or that it won't. I believe that depends solely on the quality of product and not how much buzz or fuss or hype there is around it.


Regards,
Goran Tomas

> Goran,
>
> Hype is PR/Marketing info that does not accomplish much of
> anything. It's the same talk that politicians speak, and
> then nothing gets done.
>
> If our efforts of 10 years ago was hype, then I wonder why
> Omnia has outsold, and contines to out sell, it's closest
> competitor by a 3:1 margin. That's not hype, it's real!
>
> -Frank Foti
>
> > If someone said s/he is looking into buying DSP-X, I would
>
> > be the first to suggest he tries Omnia-3fmt as well. But
> > that is often not needed as we had Omnia hype a decade ago
>
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Goran Tomas
> >
>
 
Re: Hype?

> various excerpts from dictionaries and descriptions of a
> word from our friend google.

Actually I also looked at the dictionary, and it says:

"#1 Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial.

#2 Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: "It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job" (Saturday Review).

#3 An advertising or promotional ploy: "Some restaurant owners in town are cooking up a $75,000 hype to promote New York as 'Restaurant City, U.S.A.'" (New York).

#4 Something deliberately misleading; a deception: "[He] says that there isn't any energy crisis at all, that it's all a hype, to maintain outrageous profits for the oil companies" (Joel Oppenheimer)."

So taking what is listed as primary meaning, I guess I wasn't far off my point afterall.


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
Re: Hype?

I think we can all agree that the word HYPE can be percieved as
1. Heavy promotion
2. Deception of the facts

Here in England most people tend to lean towards meaning 1. Maybe Frank thinks the posters refer to 2. At least we have got that clarified.

Maybe we should start a board called 'what's all the hype about hype?' before we go too far off topic. Lets get it back on topic. Have you seen the DSPXtreme yet? Oh sorry thats off topic. (;

I hate 15 hour flights to Vegas......
 
Re: Hype?

Goran:

You forgot one definition:

Hype: See listing for "Las Vegas, Nevada"

Frank is just gearing up! ;-)
 
Re: Hype?

> Goran:
>
> You forgot one definition:
>
> Hype: See listing for "Las Vegas, Nevada"
>

So you got a girl turn up at your room that wasn't the same as the one on the card left in the restrooms at NAB then? (;
 
> > As far as I've seen, specific processing questions on
> > specific processor are answered specifically.
>
> I can't count on my two hands & two feet how many times I've
> heard someone say something about a door-stop & instead to
> try [insert_here] broadcast processor... when someone is
> asking about just preset ideas.

You replied to me, but I don't recognize myself in this.

I didn't go re-reading past threads, but my impression is that specific questions were answered specifically (at least by me). Particularly on presets and processor-specific questions.

Now, when some asks a general question or is looking into buying a processor I will mention alternatives that I've tried personally and think are worthy of checking out. You haven't seen me mentioning Orban 2300 because a) I haven't tried it and b) when I tried Orban 2200 I thought it was not up to paar with Omnia-3.


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
I'm still waiting for my free-with-no-strings-attached DSPX for AM. I'll be fair in my assessment.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> Well, I think the board serves a lot of good.

I think the religious talk on radio-tech served a lot of good, too. Barf.

Incidently, there was an article in this month's AGL regarding tower fatalities...it's been a bad couple of weeks.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Re: Hype?

> I think we can all agree that the word HYPE can be percieved
> as
> 1. Heavy promotion
> 2. Deception of the facts
>
> Here in England most people tend to lean towards meaning 1.
> Maybe Frank thinks the posters refer to 2. At least we have
> got that clarified.
>
> Maybe we should start a board called 'what's all the hype
> about hype?' before we go too far off topic. Lets get it
> back on topic. Have you seen the DSPXtreme yet? Oh sorry
> thats off topic. (;
>
> I hate 15 hour flights to Vegas......
>


OK...you've made your points...

;)<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Re: Hype?

Goran,

Yes, when Omnia was new, we did promote it. But, we did not have anyone out there who spoke "non-stop Omnia," whenever processing was mentioned. As a matter of fact, the internet, and list-serves like this one, were not as popular as they are now. The marketing world was a different place.

Our product became successful on the basis of its own performance merits. There was/is a reason why radio stations chose and continue to choose Omnia, when they had/have equal access to all others.

But, in regards to the point you cliam, if anyone was making noise about Omnia back then, it was Orban. They printed more negative and damaging information you could imagine. Seems it backfired against them. :)

At that time, I did have to defend the company and it required considerable personal effort. That was not hype, and it is much different than what's being discussed here.

-Frank Foti

> What I was trying to say is that when Omnia was new, there
> was a lot of people advising others to look at Omnia. I'm
> pretty sure that when somebody even mentioned processing
> (let alone Orban!) there was somebody else mentioning Omnia.
> Something very similar that is happening now with DSPX.
 
> I'm still waiting for my free-with-no-strings-attached DSPX
> for AM. I'll be fair in my assessment.
>
As am I Sam, as am I. If it sounded good here it would sound good everywhere!
 
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