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I'm rather new in radio, working in a decent sized market and thinking of moving to a larger market to delve deeper into the business. I look at these boards and see a lot of action in most of the Top 20 Market boards, except for this one. Is St. Louis radio really THAT boring? Or complacent? Or has the industry been perfected in this market and everything is harmonious in the world of radio? Just wondering.
 
It's because nothing happens there. It's Ghetto(more ghetto then NY and LA combined!) People there are fake, look at the fact that all the homies have gold teeth in their mouth, and did I mention it's way too ghetto?

And Bonneville has a cluster in this market. ANY market where Bonneville has a cluster with the exception of Phoenix is boring(DC and Chicago included)
 
Obviously, Joshua has given you a ridiculous response. The reason most of us in St. Louis aren't active on this site is because we have local radio sites that we go to. I look in here from time to time but I'm one of the few.

Okay, I've got to go put on my "colors" and make sure my ho's aren't getting out of hand. Now, where did I put my grills?!?
 
Keep in mind also, Billy, that St. Louis radio tends to be relatively stable. One of the reasons a lot of radio boards get the attention they do is the constant changes in those markets. St. Louis isn't the kind of market where stations go through format after format year after year, and, though radiogeeks tend not to like that, that's not entirely a bad thing. After all, if you're working in St. Louis radio, you probably have a decent job that you can hold down for more than two or three years. Of course, that's a pain if you're trying to get into St. Louis radio, which is another reason you don't see St. Louis being discussed. There's not the constant turnover of staff, and people who are interested in moving to new markets tend to overlook St. Louis.

As for Josh's comments about the people of St. Louis, I will say that St. Louisans, in general, are not my kind of people. That's not saying they're bad people; it's just saying that, as someone who didn't grow up in St. Louis, I feel like an outcast if I spend too much time there. It doesn't seem to have the same all-inclusive culture you get in some of America's "newer" cities, like Dallas and Denver, that have a constant turnover of residents. In cities like that, so many people come and go that the culture has to be somewhat open, and making new friends is easy. I never found St. Louis to be that type of city. Again, that's not saying anything negative about St. Louis. In fact, you could say it's a positive in that people from St. Louis like it so much they want to stay there. I can't say that about where I grew up.
 
Joshua Messex said:
It's because nothing happens there. It's Ghetto(more ghetto then NY and LA combined!) People there are fake, look at the fact that all the homies have gold teeth in their mouth, and did I mention it's way too ghetto?

And Bonneville has a cluster in this market. ANY market where Bonneville has a cluster with the exception of Phoenix is boring(DC and Chicago included)

You are right about that, NOTHING exciting happens in STL!!!! To say it is MORE ghetto than NYC or LA is somewhat not true. Now, to say that they are "Country And Ghetto" is the truth, but please don't EVER compare STL to NYC, LA or Chi-town, there's NO comparison!!!!!!

I also think the Bonneville Cluster in Phoenix is VERY boring. At least Chicago has Love FM.
 
Kent said:
Keep in mind also, Billy, that St. Louis radio tends to be relatively stable. One of the reasons a lot of radio boards get the attention they do is the constant changes in those markets. St. Louis isn't the kind of market where stations go through format after format year after year, and, though radiogeeks tend not to like that, that's not entirely a bad thing. After all, if you're working in St. Louis radio, you probably have a decent job that you can hold down for more than two or three years. Of course, that's a pain if you're trying to get into St. Louis radio, which is another reason you don't see St. Louis being discussed. There's not the constant turnover of staff, and people who are interested in moving to new markets tend to overlook St. Louis.

As for Josh's comments about the people of St. Louis, I will say that St. Louisans, in general, are not my kind of people. That's not saying they're bad people; it's just saying that, as someone who didn't grow up in St. Louis, I feel like an outcast if I spend too much time there. It doesn't seem to have the same all-inclusive culture you get in some of America's "newer" cities, like Dallas and Denver, that have a constant turnover of residents. In cities like that, so many people come and go that the culture has to be somewhat open, and making new friends is easy. I never found St. Louis to be that type of city. Again, that's not saying anything negative about St. Louis. In fact, you could say it's a positive in that people from St. Louis like it so much they want to stay there. I can't say that about where I grew up.
Well, I was born and raised in STL and I DIDN'T like it, so I moved out. You are right, STL people aren't inclusive when it comes to different types of people. Even if you are from there, one can still feel like an outcast (if you didn't go to the right high school). In STL, Caucasians associate with other caucasians and African-American with other African-Americans. There isn't any middle ground and to me that is just sad. That is why you lose a lot of bright minds to other cities which are more accepting to new ideas and cultures. Without that, your area will never grow. That is why STL never has. I also have to disagree it is necessarily a positive that people don't leave STL because then your area gets stale, which STL has.
 
billyonthebull said:
Obviously, Joshua has given you a ridiculous response. The reason most of us in St. Louis aren't active on this site is because we have local radio sites that we go to. I look in here from time to time but I'm one of the few.

Okay, I've got to go put on my "colors" and make sure my ho's aren't getting out of hand. Now, where did I put my grills?!?
Well Billy, I hate to break it to you, but STL does have that image and lives up to it very well. You may not want to admit it, but its true. Talk to those who are outsiders and they will tell you the same thing.
 
It is sad for a great metro... Ethnic and racial... MEMPHIS is even worse, downstream on the Mississippi... :(
 
Outside of the subdivision of ethnic and racial, It's got many great things that are hard to keep in older metros... The unity in STL comes in things like sports and landmarks (Zoo, Union Station and the close range to the great Ozarks).. Much like buros in NYC's metro, everybody stays in their 'turf', but unite in their sports and even 'beer' in STL... Consider, STL was the largest city west of the Mississippi at the turn of the century.. What really hurt was the ethnic and racial divisions that popped up when '92' suburban villages and towns incorporated and surrounded the old STL, proper... It got down to under 300,000 in the city limits a couple of decades back, but seems to be re-evolving in the southtown and 'hill' areas.. Schools in the inner-city seem to be a MAJOR problem and no one seems to know how to reverse it... Media is stable and I can tell you that from listening (while growing up), working in the ADI and locals are loyal to local air talent over bringing in alot of guys and gals from the outside... I've always been treated well (85% or better) in hospitality, as STL has a 'big brother' attitude to the medium/regional metros that draw into it from: Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Tennesse, Iowa and parts of Kansas... (Talk about a crime image, look at KC..."Cops" sure has not helped their image..)... Yes, that regional loyalty to the baseball Cardinals is the draw from the region... Win or lose, they are die-hard baseball folks.. I live 2:45 from Busch and that's the main topic of travel and discussion all spring and summer..."How many times are you going over to see the Cardinals???"
 
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