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Why The Offense?

Re: Basic Programming Knowledge Lacking at XM, Perhaps?

> [In both cases, it is the end product that matter.]
>
> Then we agree. As a consumer, you know a good pizza when
> you taste it. You shouldn't care how it got that way. As a
> consumer, I know good radio when I hear it. I don't care
> how it got that way.

Actually, we agree on the philosophy, but not how it applies to the subject at hand.

From what I have read on this board, plus my own listening to XM on DirecTV, it is not "good radio". It is not well programmed. If it were a pizza, I would not order from them a second time.<P ID="signature">______________


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Re: Basic Programming Knowledge Lacking at XM, Perhaps?

> > [In both cases, it is the end product that matter.]
> >
> > Then we agree. As a consumer, you know a good pizza when
> > you taste it. You shouldn't care how it got that way. As
> a
> > consumer, I know good radio when I hear it. I don't care
> > how it got that way.
>
> Actually, we agree on the philosophy, but not how it applies
> to the subject at hand.
>
> From what I have read on this board, plus my own listening
> to XM on DirecTV, it is not "good radio". It is not well
> programmed. If it were a pizza, I would not order from them
> a second time.

I agree. If you're looking for radio from them. If you're looking for music, by itself, or news, or sports play-by-play, then it's ok. But as for radio qua radio, XM is really substandard. And it's unfortunate, because there are qualified people "in the building," including Bobby Ocean.

Oh well...
 
xm rules..sorry..

> > > [In both cases, it is the end product that matter.]
> > >
> > > Then we agree. As a consumer, you know a good pizza
> when
> > > you taste it. You shouldn't care how it got that way.
> As
> > a
> > > consumer, I know good radio when I hear it. I don't
> care
> > > how it got that way.
> >
> > Actually, we agree on the philosophy, but not how it
> applies
> > to the subject at hand.
> >
> > From what I have read on this board, plus my own listening
>
> > to XM on DirecTV, it is not "good radio". It is not well
> > programmed. If it were a pizza, I would not order from
> them
> > a second time.
>
> I agree. If you're looking for radio from them. If you're
> looking for music, by itself, or news, or sports
> play-by-play, then it's ok. But as for radio qua radio, XM
> is really substandard. And it's unfortunate, because there
> are qualified people "in the building," including Bobby
> Ocean.
>
> Oh well...
>
i am pro sattelite and i have to ask what are you talking about? the 60s on 6 is a great station. they have liners, they have djs and they have good music. what else do they need? and does the average consumer. a non radio person. really care what the dj, the promos, the liners or the sweepers sound like..no..<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Re: Basic Programming Knowledge Lacking at XM, Perhaps?

> > I always go thru logs and manually edit them anyway. Just
>
> > because a sequence of songs follows the rules doesn't make
>
> > for good sounding music sweep. Tighten the rules too much
>
> > and you end up with lots of "unscheduled" positions.
>
> I agree, Bobby, and that makes it obvious that XM isn't
> doing the job they could be doing, programming-wise.
>
> Manually editing the logs, as you suggest, still requires
> that there be rules so that -- as the example suggested --
> you don't overplay a song in the same daypart (or, as the
> example said, the same hour) too often.
>
> Is there actually a programmer at XM?
>
the average person listens to the radio for 15 minutes..so whats the problem? if they play a song at 10:15 tonight and the same song at 10:15 tomorrow. the average person will not notice..and the average person is not a radio programmer.<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Re: xm rules..sorry..

> i am pro sattelite and i have to ask what are you talking
> about? the 60s on 6 is a great station. they have liners,
> they have djs and they have good music. what else do they
> need? and does the average consumer. a non radio person.
> really care what the dj, the promos, the liners or the
> sweepers sound like..no..

I'm an XM satellite owner too. The music is very good (that's why I bought it--that, and the NHL package). And that was how I first approached satellite--as a music source.

But if anyone thinks satellite radio will replace terrestrial by going back in time to 40-45 years ago in terms of presentation, they're crazy. Bill Drake proved in 1965 (and 1966, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71...and today) that cluttered 60s radio wasn't what people wanted. He was right then. And he's right now.

Obviously, you're set in your opinion about the 60s on 6. Responding to my critique by stating that "60s on 6 is a great station" doesn't advance the argument ball. But, to later state "a non radio person. [sic] really care what the dj, the promos, the liners or the sweepers sound like..no.." ignores the empirical evidence compiled every year since the dawn of radio: people DO care about all forms of program matter, from music down to liners and sweepers. And DJs/personalities are important to the connectivity. If satellite radio was nothing but music, they could save tons of money by not giving Bob Edwards, Bobby Ocean, Terry Young, Howard Stern (Sirius), Opie and Anthony, etc. jobs. A jockless jukebox would flop--but so too will canned jocks doing something that end out of vogue 41 years ago.

I suggest that listening to the jocks on satellite radio--it doesn't get much more canned than that. (And Terry "Motormouth" Young--yes, he's experienced. But he's essentially a poor man's Jack(son) Armstrong. And doesn't anyone notice that he's on AM and PM drive???)
 
Re: Basic Programming Knowledge Lacking at XM, Perhaps?

> the average person listens to the radio for 15 minutes..so
> whats the problem? if they play a song at 10:15 tonight and
> the same song at 10:15 tomorrow. the average person will not
> notice..and the average person is not a radio programmer.

Unless the same song is played during a high volume listening time like, as my anecdote said, PM drive time. The average listener WILL notice if the same song is played at the same proximate time a day (or even two days) later.

What will compel a listener to stay tuned when the playlist is predictable, down to the minute?

This is not an anti-satellite screed. It is, however, a warning and advice to XM to fix their scheduling.
 
> It's obvious by reading many of the posts below that Oldies
> radio as we've known it is dying or is already dead.

The more my local stations drop their local programming and use satellite the more inclined I am to cut out the middleman. With XM and Sirius I get the same national flavor as my local Jones oldies outlet without all the commercials.

I also got one of those CCrane FM xmitter's wired to my PC and listen to my own collection on any radio in the house.

Radio has only itself to blame for people flocking to Ipods or XM or whatever. Stations remove all their local flavor, fire their live jocks, increase the spot load and expect us to keep listening? Geezus, don't get pissed at me because I question these tactics.
 
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