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WLYNgm said:
Shemp? Where are you, Shemp? Moe and Larry
have already weighed in...   clueless, always clueless...  ::) ::)

It's a party now!  Hey WLYNgm maybe I am the Shemp you're looking for?  ;D  I know this wishing and hoping for an urban, urban AC, or a rhythmic AC station in Boston is a dream that will most likely not come true.  That's why I say try Sirius/XM to hear your favorite music.  After hearing channels like Soul Town (classic soul), The Strobe (classic dance), The Heat (R&B hits), and Watercolors (smooth jazz), I could care less about the music on local radio.  I had Sirius/XM free with a rental car and it was amazing, the music and crystal clear sound. 
 
rapking said:
Don Juan said:
rapking said:
Don Juan said:
rapking said:
Don Juan said:
Would you be happy if they still owned it now?

Hell No ! Look what they are doing to there other stations ( Radio One is Trash Radio ). WMMJ DC is the latest victim.

So, it would have been better for the Nash's to sell it directly to Entercom? ...without RadioOne ever owning it?

Nash never own 97.7 signal.

Nash owned the 1090 signal.

re: 97.7....would you have been happy in the Brockton folks sold it directly to Entercom (and bypassed R1 altogether)?

Yes. Because the old WILD-AM 1090 most likely will still be here ( No threat from the so-called urban specialist Radio One ).

It IS still there.
 
No, you are not Shemp. The real Shemp tends to
spew anti-caucasian racist crap. He has not been
on here for a while now - let's hope that is a
permanent condition! Oh yea - General Francisco
Franco is still quite dead... ;D
 
I think I'm about to do the unthinkable....

I have to agree with the king of rap here, radio one couldn't run a radio station (and certainly not a group of radio stations) if their life depended on it.

All they have done historically is bought up good heritage stations and ruined them.

...and I now welcome myself back to reality.
 
thetheo said:
I think I'm about to do the unthinkable....
I have to agree with the king of rap here, radio one couldn't run a radio station (and certainly not a group of radio stations) if their life depended on it.
All they have done historically is bought up good heritage stations and ruined them.
...and I now welcome myself back to reality.

Financial trouble have plagued them...and that was not caused by the way they run their radio stations.

PPM has hurt them in almost every market. The economy is in the dumper...and radio aparthy is everywhere. Radio stocks are in the dumper.

It seems to have hit everyone...but affected R1 (and Urban stations) the most.

WKYS was a very well run station....until PPM hit them in the shorts.

What could they have done differently?
 
How can their financial woes not be caused by the way they run their business. There's 100s of stations in the country that are still profitable.

They can't run a profitable station = bad management

PPM has been here a year and Phily 2 years, R1 was in the dumpster 5 years ago.

Here, they could have not had WILD and Hot 97 cannibalize each other. For some reason, they thought they needed to change WILD to create/market/promote 97.7. Instead they should have kept the original format, and still could have easily, yet subtlety promoted Hot 97. Yes, WILD was AM, but I personally think it was great before R1 touched it and would be doing better now had they never gotten involved.

In addition to not screwing with WILD, which I think was a big part of their doom, I would have kept 97.7 more of a true urban station, not a station that pretended to be an urban station but really wanted to just take out JAMN which proved impossible.

Look at all the urban pirates now, selling ads, doing well, probably having more listeners / impact than 97.7 ever had.

I'm no supporter of pirate radio, I'd like to see them all operate legally, and I wish that's what 97.7 actually did.

Then, take Phily, instead of them admitting they couldn't run their way out of a paper bag, they just ran y100 into the ground, instead of either learning the format, or handing it off to someone who knew it.

I know radio is down, everyone is having tough times, blah blah blah.

But you can't blame PPM or the economy when other radio companies are still doing ok.

It's poor (maybe more than poor) management that has plagued Radio 1 in my opinion.
 
How can their financial woes not be caused by the way they run their business.

Because it has affected almost every other company in the country. There are a TON of radio companies on the verge of bankruptcy. Also, the fact that they are Urban Radio specialists has hurt them with the PPM. I guess they should have seen that coming and gone all showtunes?

They can't run a profitable station = bad management

Not necessarily Shall we go down the list of companies that are all in the same boat? Almost every radio company stock is in the dumper right now. Virtually every stations billing is down. Stations that cater to black audiences have been hit the hardest.

Here, they could have not had WILD and Hot 97 cannibalize each other. For some reason, they thought they needed to change WILD to create/market/promote 97.7.

Not really, WILD could have gone uper-demo talk...which they didn...and 97.7 could have stayed younger demo hip-hop....which they didn.

But you are not counting the fact that neither station had numbers....ever. 97.7 could never garner enough audience to pay it's bills...no matter WHO owned them. They still can't survice on their own...that's why their are being used as a repeater station.

Instead they should have kept the original format, and still could have easily, yet subtlety promoted Hot 97.

Oh, and THAt would have been a good business decision, right? Hang onto music on AM (a daytimer no less!) and underplay the FM 24 hour signal. I'm glad you're not running my station! LOL

Yes, WILD was AM, but I personally think it was great before R1 touched it and would be doing better now had they never gotten involved.


You think it would be in "good shape" had they never gotten involved? The clock was ticking for WILD-AM 1090. AM listening has gone down every year...to the point where young people (under 50?) don't even turn it on anymore.

In addition to not screwing with WILD, which I think was a big part of their doom, I would have kept 97.7 more of a true urban station,

The problem you ignore...that R1 had to deal with was that they were not making it on 97.7. Not in billing, not in audience.

Look at all the urban pirates now, selling ads, doing well, probably having more listeners / impact than 97.7 ever had.

Do we have any proof of such? No we don't.

Are any of the pirates billing a million dollars a year? I doubt it. There goes the argument that they are "doing well". DO they have more listeners? Probably not.

Then, take Phily, instead of them admitting they couldn't run their way out of a paper bag, they just ran y100 into the ground...


Or take DC...and admit that they had one of the best Urban stations in the country....until PPM caught them in the shorts.

instead of either learning the format, or handing it off to someone who knew it.

Who knows the format better than Radio One? Again, WKYS is/was one of the best run urban stations in the country.

But you can't blame PPM or the economy when other radio companies are still doing ok.

What planet are you on? Who is doing "well"?

It's poor (maybe more than poor) management that has plagued Radio 1 in my opinion.

Well, to bad the facts aren't on your side.

Given that.....I will give you a couple of things that R1 did not do well.

1.) They abandoned localism like so many other companies. WILD-AM was a real community station, that was involved with the community, with news, public affairs and public service. Turning their Boston properties into jukeboxes didn't help endear them into anyone. This is the same with plenty of other companies.

2.) Like many other companies, borrowed too much money. If this was a mistake, it was a mistake that many other big companies made.

3.) They depended upon one format too too much. Putting all your eggs in one basket didn't help them when the PPM showed it's true colors as to who would be affected by the new methodology. Urban and minority stations were hit the hardest. Radio One had all it's eggs in one basket.

Add to this the pressures of their stock being in the dumper (like Entercom, like Citadel, like Cumulus, like Regent and so many other companies), and you have the perfect storm.
 
yes they are all "hurting" but hurting and running stations into the ground are different things.

I'll give you radio is hurting, stocks are in the dumpster, etc

but all the other companies are figuring out how to still make it work, for the most part

entercom may be hurting financially, but all their stations here are still pulling in acceptable or better ratings

that's the difference i am talking about

would they still have lost money, maybe

but would they still have had to abandon ship because they couldn't find their way out of a paper bag, probably not

they weren't they "urban specialists" 5 years ago, they had other formats, and ran them into the ground so much they just kept flipping them to urban, and then using the excuse well we're experts at that

they know 0% about rock/alternative/talk/etc and about 10% about urban
 
yes they are all "hurting" but hurting and running stations into the ground are different things. I'll give you radio is hurting, stocks are in the dumpster, etc
but all the other companies are figuring out how to still make it work, for the most part


No they are not. (Did you even read what was posted prior?)

entercom may be hurting financially, but all their stations here are still pulling in acceptable or better ratings that's the difference i am talking about

#1.) WRKO is not pulling in acceptable ratings.

#2.) Are any of them minority or black stations?

Regent Communications stations are all doing well in the ratings...but they are in receivership (or were).

they weren't they "urban specialists" 5 years ago, they had other formats, and ran them into the ground so much they just kept flipping them to urban

I don't know that they "ran the other formats into the ground". As far as flipping them to Urban.....Well, that may have been a mistake. Salem communications is another company that has put all their eggs in the "specialty" basket and it has come back to burn them.

and then using the excuse well we're experts at that

And they were!
 
Radio One is gettin' more control at TV One . Lets see if they can trash there TV station like they trash there radio stations ( The Beat LA, WILD Boston, WMMJ Washington, Steve Harvey,Miami, and N.C. )
 
Don Juan said:
yes they are all "hurting" but hurting and running stations into the ground are different things. I'll give you radio is hurting, stocks are in the dumpster, etc
but all the other companies are figuring out how to still make it work, for the most part


No they are not. (Did you even read what was posted prior?)

entercom may be hurting financially, but all their stations here are still pulling in acceptable or better ratings that's the difference i am talking about

#1.) WRKO is not pulling in acceptable ratings.

#2.) Are any of them minority or black stations?

Regent Communications stations are all doing well in the ratings...but they are in receivership (or were).

they weren't they "urban specialists" 5 years ago, they had other formats, and ran them into the ground so much they just kept flipping them to urban

I don't know that they "ran the other formats into the ground". As far as flipping them to Urban.....Well, that may have been a mistake. Salem communications is another company that has put all their eggs in the "specialty" basket and it has come back to burn them.

and then using the excuse well we're experts at that

And they were!

Relatively speaking, I think they are. I said, yes the economy is in the dumpster, and radio groups are hurting, but relative to others R1 has done even worse.

And yes, I can read :)

Personally, for what's on WRKO, and what they are spending there, I doubt that they are not profitable. They are practically top Ten in a Top Ten market, that's AD$ just for turning the lights on.

Would I do it differently, yes, but I don't listen to conservative talk radio so I ignore it. For what they want, what they are doing, I think entercom is doing just fine (relatively)
 
Relatively speaking, I think they are.

Then let's look at it relatively. WRKO bills only $6 million. 1/6th of that goes to Howie Carr. After other expenses, no one can honestly say they are doing well.

I said, yes the economy is in the dumpster, and radio groups are hurting, but relative to others R1 has done even worse.

Because Urban stations were disproportionate affected by the PPM. Something no one could have known.

And yes, I can read :)


But you keep ignoring the above fact.

Personally, for what's on WRKO, and what they are spending there, I doubt that they are not profitable.


See above billing comment.

They are practically top Ten in a Top Ten market, that's AD$ just for turning the lights on.

First week of June, they are in 19th place. For the month of May, they were in 20th place.

For what they want, what they are doing, I think entercom is doing just fine (relatively)


Facts don't lie.
 
All of these excuses for lesser-signal AM's not doing well. The plain fact is, a lot of them are owned by the wrong people, the Wall-Street-types. There is no reason 1090 couldn't be profitable. Some of the worst signals (covering most of the market) such as 740, 1330(before upgrade), 1550, 1600 (and maybe even 650 & 1060) are healthy stations.

If one owns an AM (even a daytimer), in a market like Boston, THERE IS NO EXCUSE for the station not to be profitable! Pay attention to the station and air some product that is not heard elsewhere, and you're making money... even in bad economy. Don;t blame it on economy, PPM or anything else. Blame it on owners who are more beholden to impressing Wall Street than the station's audience.

BTW, 1090 should have taken the short-lived "Touch 1150" format. Had 1090 done that, along with real black gold on Sundays, they'd be raking in the $$$.
 
JIBGUY said:
BTW, 1090 should have taken the short-lived "Touch 1150" format. Had 1090 done that, along with real black gold on Sundays, they'd be raking in the $$$.

But once, when I said that, you said that the Black Gold format was no more salable to agency time-buyers than Adult Standards. If your answer is that Black Gold could do well on WILD by drawing ads from local advertisers, then you are talking about putting together a local sales force that would probably have to consist of multiple people. Those people would have to be organized, trained, motivated, and presumably (pretty well) compensated. Therefore, there would be appreciable costs before revenue dollar #1 rolled in. So which position are you willing to stand behind? Or can you explain how what seem to be two contradictory positions are actually consistent with each other?
 
"Back Gold" is different the "touch 1150", the latter having only the softer black oldies. A station like WILD, that were to do Touch-1150 on weekdays, and Black Gold (ie: James Brown, Marvin Gaye-Tammi Tirell, Sly/Family Stone, etc) on Saturdays, and Gospel Sunday mornings and Caribbean Sunday afternoons; would have the complete black oldies musical experience all wrapped up in one station. And with "no racial mandates" that the FCC is enforcing for advertising agencies, I'd imagine WILD would have done real well. And yes, it would attract an older audience, but not as old as adult-standards does. - I make this opinion based upon agency advertising, not direct advertiser-to-station local advertising which the latter requires very costly salespeople that are almost impossible to find anyway. - The programming I mention above is not at all difficult to do, and not all that different that what WILD did 20 years ago.
 
JIBGUY said:
The programming I mention above is not at all difficult to do, and not all that different that what WILD did 20 years ago.

So if some enterprising person came along who could convince R1 to LMA WILD to him or her for just enough that R1 would do incrementally better, cash-flow-wise, than R1 is doing at present with WILD, wouldn't it make sense for R1 to accept that offer? Until it came time to re-negotiate the LMA, the independent person who was programming WILD could do pretty well. At re-negotiation time, R1 might decide to end the LMA and start programming the station themselves. But maybe R1 and the person who had been doing the LMA might be able to come to terms on transferring the license. There seems to be strong evidence that R1 is unreasonably greedy, but their greed and (apparently) stubbornness are keeping ANYBODY (R1 included) from making any money at all on WILD. If there is a way for somebody to make money from the license but R1 is losing money with it, R1's position seems really stupid.
 
rapking said:
Boston To Washington D.C. to Houston and all stops in between . Radio One is TRASH RADIO !!!!

Do you ever actually have a meaningful discussion or think things thought?

Can you actually add anything to the conversation and understanding?

...or are you incapable of anything besides spewing 'drive-by' invectives?
 
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