The president is giving a speech tomorrow night which will likely be a repeat of the points he's made during his last four morning speeches on Iraq. Will the broadcast networks be carrying it? It's not expected to be a newsmaker - just a review on the Iraq situation and it eats a minimum of 20 minutes primetime Sunday viewing. The cable news channels will carry it, but I haven't heard if the broadcasters will.
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Will Nets Be Carrying Bush's Speech?
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> The president is giving a speech tomorrow night which will
> likely be a repeat of the points he's made during his last
> four morning speeches on Iraq. Will the broadcast networks
> be carrying it? It's not expected to be a newsmaker - just
> a review on the Iraq situation and it eats a minimum of 20
> minutes primetime Sunday viewing. The cable news channels
> will carry it, but I haven't heard if the broadcasters will.
I believe the networks will be carrying the speech live. KCNC/CBS4 here in Denver is reporting on their Program Schedule for tomorrow that CBS News plans to carry it live @ 9pm EST (7pm MST here in Denver). I would therefore suspect that NBC, ABC & FOX would do the same.
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> likely be a repeat of the points he's made during his last
> four morning speeches on Iraq. Will the broadcast networks
> be carrying it? It's not expected to be a newsmaker - just
> a review on the Iraq situation and it eats a minimum of 20
> minutes primetime Sunday viewing. The cable news channels
> will carry it, but I haven't heard if the broadcasters will.
I believe the networks will be carrying the speech live. KCNC/CBS4 here in Denver is reporting on their Program Schedule for tomorrow that CBS News plans to carry it live @ 9pm EST (7pm MST here in Denver). I would therefore suspect that NBC, ABC & FOX would do the same.
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MegoMan
Guest
> > The president is giving a speech tomorrow night which will
>
> > likely be a repeat of the points he's made during his last
>
> > four morning speeches on Iraq. Will the broadcast
> networks
> > be carrying it? It's not expected to be a newsmaker -
> just
> > a review on the Iraq situation and it eats a minimum of 20
>
> > minutes primetime Sunday viewing. The cable news channels
>
> > will carry it, but I haven't heard if the broadcasters
> will.
>
> I believe the networks will be carrying the speech live.
> KCNC/CBS4 here in Denver is reporting on their Program
> Schedule for tomorrow that CBS News plans to carry it live @
> 9pm EST (7pm MST here in Denver). I would therefore suspect
> that NBC, ABC & FOX would do the same.
>
KIBG-TV(NBC's Seattle affilliate) reported that they will carry the adress.<P ID="signature">______________
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>
> > likely be a repeat of the points he's made during his last
>
> > four morning speeches on Iraq. Will the broadcast
> networks
> > be carrying it? It's not expected to be a newsmaker -
> just
> > a review on the Iraq situation and it eats a minimum of 20
>
> > minutes primetime Sunday viewing. The cable news channels
>
> > will carry it, but I haven't heard if the broadcasters
> will.
>
> I believe the networks will be carrying the speech live.
> KCNC/CBS4 here in Denver is reporting on their Program
> Schedule for tomorrow that CBS News plans to carry it live @
> 9pm EST (7pm MST here in Denver). I would therefore suspect
> that NBC, ABC & FOX would do the same.
>
KIBG-TV(NBC's Seattle affilliate) reported that they will carry the adress.<P ID="signature">______________
"I look out for me and mine."-Capt. Malcom "Mal" Reynolds in Serenity</P>
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toby
Guest
Sadly, the major networks will all be carrying the <s>propaganda</s> speech tonight.
What is really needed is a rotating system where one network carries one speech and another carries the next, and so on. Alternately, the speech could air on PBS with a round table of anchors and/or corresponents from the various networks giving commentary and analysis after.
I am really starting to think the networks should start charging for their time, since this is really going to be an infomercial.<P ID="signature">______________
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What is really needed is a rotating system where one network carries one speech and another carries the next, and so on. Alternately, the speech could air on PBS with a round table of anchors and/or corresponents from the various networks giving commentary and analysis after.
I am really starting to think the networks should start charging for their time, since this is really going to be an infomercial.<P ID="signature">______________
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Kick it up a notch with the White House Pets
> What is really needed is a rotating system where one network
> carries one speech and another carries the next, and so on.
I had thought the networks were getting ticked off carrying "major speeches" which turn out to be anything but and were threatening the White House with pool coverage or leaving it to the cable news networks. We are getting to the point of the Off Broadway-style productions of the national political conventions every four years - so much choreography and no news value.
If it does run 20 minutes, that will leave 10 minutes for the host to repeat what we all just heard ourselves along with the spin that comes based on the political persuasion of the mixed pundits that come with the package, along with more rehash by the individual networks' White House correspondent who will also repeat everything we just heard.
Considering the president is now interviewing with every media outlet right down to the Falls City Nebraska Middle School Cafeteria News, we're gonna be soaking in it. At least mix it up a little and bring in the White House dogs. Or how about that sneaky CIA undercover cat that shot across the screen during that god awful Christmas video the White House coughed up like a hairball. And what the hell was C-SPAN thinking when it got involved with that?
I digress.
> What is really needed is a rotating system where one network
> carries one speech and another carries the next, and so on.
I had thought the networks were getting ticked off carrying "major speeches" which turn out to be anything but and were threatening the White House with pool coverage or leaving it to the cable news networks. We are getting to the point of the Off Broadway-style productions of the national political conventions every four years - so much choreography and no news value.
If it does run 20 minutes, that will leave 10 minutes for the host to repeat what we all just heard ourselves along with the spin that comes based on the political persuasion of the mixed pundits that come with the package, along with more rehash by the individual networks' White House correspondent who will also repeat everything we just heard.
Considering the president is now interviewing with every media outlet right down to the Falls City Nebraska Middle School Cafeteria News, we're gonna be soaking in it. At least mix it up a little and bring in the White House dogs. Or how about that sneaky CIA undercover cat that shot across the screen during that god awful Christmas video the White House coughed up like a hairball. And what the hell was C-SPAN thinking when it got involved with that?
I digress.
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TXengineer
Guest
Keep your political posts off here.
There's plenty of room on the Political Board., er., off the air board, to discuss the politics without getting into it here.
There's plenty of room on the Political Board., er., off the air board, to discuss the politics without getting into it here.
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Joseph_Gallant
Guest
If it's a short (10-15-20 minutes) speech, there may be no network analysis afterwards, and the rest of prime-time would "slide" by however number of minutes the speech lasts.
If it's 20-25 minutes, there may be short analysis afterwards until 9:30 P.M. EST, and the rest of prime-time would slip by a half-hour.
If the speech is about (or a little more than) a half-hour in length, I wouldn't be surprised if ABC's coverage continues to 10 P.M. EST with "Grey's Anatomy" being pre-empted in the Eastern and Central time zones (and "Desperate Housewives" moving to 10 P.M. EST/9 CST), which would result in local ABC stations in the Eastern and Central time zones broadcasting their late news on-schedule.
I don't know if Fox's broadcast network will carry it, but if they do (simulcasting Fox News Channel), coverage may stretch until 9:30 P.M. EST, or Fox may join "Family Guy" in progress (to allow local Fox affiliates in the Eastern and Central time zones to broadcast their late local news on-schedule at 10 P.M. EST/9 CST). If they do that, they will probably put on a rerun instead of the "all-new episode" promoted over the last week.
A televised Presidential address on a Sunday night is extremely rare. The only other Sunday-night televised Presidential speech I can recall was in March of 1968 when President Lyndon Johnson stunned the nation and announced that he was not going to run for re-election.
If it's 20-25 minutes, there may be short analysis afterwards until 9:30 P.M. EST, and the rest of prime-time would slip by a half-hour.
If the speech is about (or a little more than) a half-hour in length, I wouldn't be surprised if ABC's coverage continues to 10 P.M. EST with "Grey's Anatomy" being pre-empted in the Eastern and Central time zones (and "Desperate Housewives" moving to 10 P.M. EST/9 CST), which would result in local ABC stations in the Eastern and Central time zones broadcasting their late news on-schedule.
I don't know if Fox's broadcast network will carry it, but if they do (simulcasting Fox News Channel), coverage may stretch until 9:30 P.M. EST, or Fox may join "Family Guy" in progress (to allow local Fox affiliates in the Eastern and Central time zones to broadcast their late local news on-schedule at 10 P.M. EST/9 CST). If they do that, they will probably put on a rerun instead of the "all-new episode" promoted over the last week.
A televised Presidential address on a Sunday night is extremely rare. The only other Sunday-night televised Presidential speech I can recall was in March of 1968 when President Lyndon Johnson stunned the nation and announced that he was not going to run for re-election.
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Mark_Ericson
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> The president is giving a speech tomorrow night which will
> likely be a repeat of the points he's made during his last
> four morning speeches on Iraq. Will the broadcast networks
> be carrying it? It's not expected to be a newsmaker - just
> a review on the Iraq situation and it eats a minimum of 20
> minutes primetime Sunday viewing. The cable news channels
> will carry it, but I haven't heard if the broadcasters will.
I hope Fox doesn't, I want to see Family Guy tonight.
If Fox was smart they would counter-program the speech on their network with Family Guy (since Fox News is there to carry it). Then people like me who don't want to hear Bush rambling on about what he is or isn't doing will have something to watch--and without the other major networks to compete, it would probably result in excellent ratings.
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> likely be a repeat of the points he's made during his last
> four morning speeches on Iraq. Will the broadcast networks
> be carrying it? It's not expected to be a newsmaker - just
> a review on the Iraq situation and it eats a minimum of 20
> minutes primetime Sunday viewing. The cable news channels
> will carry it, but I haven't heard if the broadcasters will.
I hope Fox doesn't, I want to see Family Guy tonight.
If Fox was smart they would counter-program the speech on their network with Family Guy (since Fox News is there to carry it). Then people like me who don't want to hear Bush rambling on about what he is or isn't doing will have something to watch--and without the other major networks to compete, it would probably result in excellent ratings.
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Re: Question re: DTV And the Presidental Speeches
This would be a good time for DTV.
They could carry the President on one channel and the regular programming on another
I am assuming the President doesn't have to be High Def
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This would be a good time for DTV.
They could carry the President on one channel and the regular programming on another
I am assuming the President doesn't have to be High Def
So would that leave enough room for a high def show and a regular def President to air?<P ID="signature">______________
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(After massive unnecessary quoting MegoMan said)
> KIBG-TV(NBC's Seattle affilliate) ...
Seattle's NBC outlet is KING-TV.
> KIBG-TV(NBC's Seattle affilliate) ...
Seattle's NBC outlet is KING-TV.
Re: Question re: DTV And the Presidental Speeches
> This would be a good time for DTV.
>
> They could carry the President on one channel and the
> regular programming on another
>
> I am assuming the President doesn't have to be High Def
>
> So would that leave enough room for a high def show and a
> regular def President to air?
You'd need to be set up at the local station to do a multicast. Not all of them are. In my market (Rochester NY) only one of the big 4 affiliates is multicasting. (That would be Hubbard's NBC affiliate, WHEC, which has local weather on 10-2.)
If ABC, CBS or Fox did what you're suggesting, viewers in Rochester would miss either the President or the regular programming.
A few years down the road, when DTV becomes the standard, it may be a different story.
(And one has to imagine that CBS is breathing a sigh of relief that it didn't have a 4 PM NFL game today in most of the country. Bad enough to have to work a Presidential address into the schedule at 9 - even worse if the NFL had run long, the CBS primetime schedule had been slid back, and the network was in the middle of a show at 9. One wonders how those markets that do have a CBS 4 PM game - most of Michigan and Ohio, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Houston and portions of TN, KY and NC - will handle it?)<P ID="signature">______________
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> This would be a good time for DTV.
>
> They could carry the President on one channel and the
> regular programming on another
>
> I am assuming the President doesn't have to be High Def
>
> So would that leave enough room for a high def show and a
> regular def President to air?
You'd need to be set up at the local station to do a multicast. Not all of them are. In my market (Rochester NY) only one of the big 4 affiliates is multicasting. (That would be Hubbard's NBC affiliate, WHEC, which has local weather on 10-2.)
If ABC, CBS or Fox did what you're suggesting, viewers in Rochester would miss either the President or the regular programming.
A few years down the road, when DTV becomes the standard, it may be a different story.
(And one has to imagine that CBS is breathing a sigh of relief that it didn't have a 4 PM NFL game today in most of the country. Bad enough to have to work a Presidential address into the schedule at 9 - even worse if the NFL had run long, the CBS primetime schedule had been slid back, and the network was in the middle of a show at 9. One wonders how those markets that do have a CBS 4 PM game - most of Michigan and Ohio, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Houston and portions of TN, KY and NC - will handle it?)<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Question re: DTV And the Presidental Speeches
To answer Scott Fybush's question, I think the President's speech would be on a TV station's analog channel as well as a digital channel, while another digital channel could run programming pre-empted (or more likely in this case, bumped) by the speech at the originally-scheduled time.
Let's take the case of what WHEC-10 Rochester could be able to do: They would run NBC's coverage of the President's speech on their analog channel (and perhaps one of their digital channels) at 9 P.M. EST, while running the start of the movie "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation" on-time on one of their digital channels. The movie (this is assuming that NBC will show it in full after the speech and let prime-time "slide") would be seen on WHEC's analog channel and the digital channel that carried the speech as soon as the network coverage ended.
At 9 P.M., WHEC could announce "The movie 'National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation', originally scheduled to start at this time, will be seen in it's entirety on our analog channel and Digital Channel One following NBC's coverage of the President's speech. The movie can be seen right now on Digital Channel 2, pre-empting our Weather Plus doppler radar until 11 P.M."
To answer Scott Fybush's question, I think the President's speech would be on a TV station's analog channel as well as a digital channel, while another digital channel could run programming pre-empted (or more likely in this case, bumped) by the speech at the originally-scheduled time.
Let's take the case of what WHEC-10 Rochester could be able to do: They would run NBC's coverage of the President's speech on their analog channel (and perhaps one of their digital channels) at 9 P.M. EST, while running the start of the movie "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation" on-time on one of their digital channels. The movie (this is assuming that NBC will show it in full after the speech and let prime-time "slide") would be seen on WHEC's analog channel and the digital channel that carried the speech as soon as the network coverage ended.
At 9 P.M., WHEC could announce "The movie 'National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation', originally scheduled to start at this time, will be seen in it's entirety on our analog channel and Digital Channel One following NBC's coverage of the President's speech. The movie can be seen right now on Digital Channel 2, pre-empting our Weather Plus doppler radar until 11 P.M."
Re: Question re: DTV And the Presidental Speeches
> At 9 P.M., WHEC could announce "The movie 'National
> Lampoon's Christmas Vacation', originally scheduled to start
> at this time, will be seen in it's entirety on our analog
> channel and Digital Channel One following NBC's coverage of
> the President's speech. The movie can be seen right now on
> Digital Channel 2, pre-empting our Weather Plus doppler
> radar until 11 P.M."
Believe it or not, it's my understanding that doing this (carrying the movie at separate times on two digital channels) would actually violate the licensing agreement with the network. I know there was an issue in Indiana, when HD first came in and the Indianapolis stations were time-delaying their SD feed but not their HD, that the carriage on HD an hour earlier than SD constituted a "separate run" of the programming in question, and the network quickly put a stop to it. Really.
But if we assume the lawyers clear an arrangement like this, then WHEC would probably direct people to cable channel 110 (I think it's 110), which is where their weather channel (it's locally-produced, not the NBC Weather Plus) lives on digital cable. Digital cable penetration in the market is about 25%. OTA DTV penetration may well be below 1% even now.
And this still doesn't solve the problem for the other three stations in town, two of which not only don't multicast but don't even have DT carriage agreements with the cable company. Heck, our CBS affiliate doesn't even pass the network's HD content! (In fact, their DTV transmitter's been broken for almost a month now.)
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> At 9 P.M., WHEC could announce "The movie 'National
> Lampoon's Christmas Vacation', originally scheduled to start
> at this time, will be seen in it's entirety on our analog
> channel and Digital Channel One following NBC's coverage of
> the President's speech. The movie can be seen right now on
> Digital Channel 2, pre-empting our Weather Plus doppler
> radar until 11 P.M."
Believe it or not, it's my understanding that doing this (carrying the movie at separate times on two digital channels) would actually violate the licensing agreement with the network. I know there was an issue in Indiana, when HD first came in and the Indianapolis stations were time-delaying their SD feed but not their HD, that the carriage on HD an hour earlier than SD constituted a "separate run" of the programming in question, and the network quickly put a stop to it. Really.
But if we assume the lawyers clear an arrangement like this, then WHEC would probably direct people to cable channel 110 (I think it's 110), which is where their weather channel (it's locally-produced, not the NBC Weather Plus) lives on digital cable. Digital cable penetration in the market is about 25%. OTA DTV penetration may well be below 1% even now.
And this still doesn't solve the problem for the other three stations in town, two of which not only don't multicast but don't even have DT carriage agreements with the cable company. Heck, our CBS affiliate doesn't even pass the network's HD content! (In fact, their DTV transmitter's been broken for almost a month now.)
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Re: Question re: DTV And the Presidental Speeches
> To answer Scott Fybush's question, I think the President's
> speech would be on a TV station's analog channel as well as
> a digital channel, while another digital channel could run
> programming pre-empted (or more likely in this case, bumped)
> by the speech at the originally-scheduled time.
I suspect that as time passes, and with speeches like tonights, which was the equivalent of a clip show considering we've heard it before all week, we'll be lucky if they don't just run a crawl telling people to tune into the cable news channel of their choice.
I can't imagine advertisers would be pleased if they ran the primetime schedule on a sub-channel leaving the president on both the analog and digital primary. The only holy grail programming that seems to be untouchable is silly ballgames. If we were attacked, the president would wait for halftime before announcing it.
> To answer Scott Fybush's question, I think the President's
> speech would be on a TV station's analog channel as well as
> a digital channel, while another digital channel could run
> programming pre-empted (or more likely in this case, bumped)
> by the speech at the originally-scheduled time.
I suspect that as time passes, and with speeches like tonights, which was the equivalent of a clip show considering we've heard it before all week, we'll be lucky if they don't just run a crawl telling people to tune into the cable news channel of their choice.
I can't imagine advertisers would be pleased if they ran the primetime schedule on a sub-channel leaving the president on both the analog and digital primary. The only holy grail programming that seems to be untouchable is silly ballgames. If we were attacked, the president would wait for halftime before announcing it.
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XL
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Whatta Waste!!
> I suspect that as time passes, and with speeches like
> tonights, which was the equivalent of a clip show
> considering we've heard it before all week, we'll be lucky
> if they don't just run a crawl telling people to tune into
> the cable news channel of their choice.
Outside of FOX, if I were a network exec I would be pissed that I gave any network time to this waste of a speech. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever for giving the President airtime for this ish. CNN, FNC, MSNBC and C-Span would have been suffice carrying this.
In the future, I certainly hope the networks are more critical of the speeches they care because this was a complete waste of time and offered absolutely nothing new.
> I suspect that as time passes, and with speeches like
> tonights, which was the equivalent of a clip show
> considering we've heard it before all week, we'll be lucky
> if they don't just run a crawl telling people to tune into
> the cable news channel of their choice.
Outside of FOX, if I were a network exec I would be pissed that I gave any network time to this waste of a speech. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever for giving the President airtime for this ish. CNN, FNC, MSNBC and C-Span would have been suffice carrying this.
In the future, I certainly hope the networks are more critical of the speeches they care because this was a complete waste of time and offered absolutely nothing new.
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toby
Guest
Re: Whatta Waste!!
> Outside of FOX, if I were a network exec I would be pissed
> that I gave any network time to this waste of a speech.
> There was absolutely no reason whatsoever for giving the
> President airtime for this ish. CNN, FNC, MSNBC and C-Span
> would have been suffice carrying this.
I had the choice of a total of 14 channels, 12 in English and 2 in Spanish.
> In the future, I certainly hope the networks are more
> critical of the speeches they care because this was a
> complete waste of time and offered absolutely nothing new.
As was the press conference this morning which I had the option of watching on 11 channels:
One broadcast network should air such things on a rotating basis between all the networks. An alternative plan would be to make PBS its broadcast home and have a roundtable of pundits from the various networks discuss what just occured.
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> Outside of FOX, if I were a network exec I would be pissed
> that I gave any network time to this waste of a speech.
> There was absolutely no reason whatsoever for giving the
> President airtime for this ish. CNN, FNC, MSNBC and C-Span
> would have been suffice carrying this.
I had the choice of a total of 14 channels, 12 in English and 2 in Spanish.
> In the future, I certainly hope the networks are more
> critical of the speeches they care because this was a
> complete waste of time and offered absolutely nothing new.
As was the press conference this morning which I had the option of watching on 11 channels:
One broadcast network should air such things on a rotating basis between all the networks. An alternative plan would be to make PBS its broadcast home and have a roundtable of pundits from the various networks discuss what just occured.
If they keep this up the networks should start charging for airtime.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Whatta Waste!!
> One broadcast network should air such things on a rotating
> basis between all the networks. An alternative plan would be
> to make PBS its broadcast home and have a roundtable of
> pundits from the various networks discuss what just occured.
>
> If they keep this up the networks should start charging for
> airtime.
>
Charge *whom*? Us? We pay the POTUS' salary and those of his staff members.
Was there anyway the Big Four could have gotten out of this without risking consequences from Uncle Sam?
ixnay
> One broadcast network should air such things on a rotating
> basis between all the networks. An alternative plan would be
> to make PBS its broadcast home and have a roundtable of
> pundits from the various networks discuss what just occured.
>
> If they keep this up the networks should start charging for
> airtime.
>
Charge *whom*? Us? We pay the POTUS' salary and those of his staff members.
Was there anyway the Big Four could have gotten out of this without risking consequences from Uncle Sam?
ixnay
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