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Will The Real DOO-WOP Please stand up-who are you

GridLeakBias said:
Silkie said:
GridLeakBias said:
Silkie said:
Don't forget The Marcels and The Court Jesters
No way we could leave out the Marcels with their classic doo-wop recording of “Blue Moon”.

But, the Court Jesters?

Do you mean the east coast quartet, the Jesters? They enjoyed local airplay and some national exposure in 1957 with “So Strange”, “Please Let Me Love You” and “The Plea”. The Winley label distributor had a bright idea in 1959 and a “battle of the bands” album was produced, entitled “The Paragons Meet The Jesters “. (The Paragons also recorded on the Winley label.) This album renewed public interest in the Jesters and they went on to record “The Wind”, another east coast hit.

No, I mean, The Court Jesters. I believe this little ditty might have been around in about 1953:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPesE1xWMU&feature=related&pos=12

The Marcels also had a goody with "My Melancholy Baby", which started out sounding like "Blue Moon", but was cut short by "Nah, not that thing again! Sing Melancholy Baby...alright, we will". LOL

Well thanks for the link, Silkie, somehow I missed the Court Jesters in my studies and I found this uptempo humorous recording (Roaches) refreshing to listen to. I wonder, is that a King Curtis sax solo on the bridge? Curtis became a much sought after session player around 1956 or so … this sounds like his honking tenor sax. Not sure what work he performed after he finished touring with Lionel Hampton in the early 50s.

Re: the Marcels. All their recordings were marvelous, they were true doo-wop artists.

Regards...

"Roaches" by the Court Jesters was released on Blast Records in 1961. John Kuse & The Excellents (Coney Island Baby) also recorded for this New york Label. Re the sax work, it's not King Curtis; it's one of Blast's in-house musicians.

The early vocal groups of the late 1940s (Ravens, Orioles, Larks) set the pattern for what would be later called "Doo Wop". Streetcorner singing wasn't something that started in the late 1950s. This style was already fully developed in the late 1940s in major urban areas, such as New York. Most of the pioneer groups responsible for the early group harmony sound originated in the streets of NY, Philly, Baltimore, Chicago and L.A. The period of the late forties to the md fifties was the Golden Age for vocal group music. Groups like Philadelphia's Castelles, NY's Mellomoods, Harptones, Solitaires; Chicago's Flamingos, Moroccos, Eldorados; Gary, Indiana's Spaniels and countless other lesser known groups set the standard for what we call "Doo Wop"/vocal group harmony. A lot of the groups mentioned in previous posts fall into the area that many groups in subsequent eras of rock and other forms of popular music tend tofallinto. That would be becoming parodies of the music they perfomed. The nonsense syllables previously referred to mmarked a distinct decline in the singing talents of the group sound, starting around 1958 with the release of the Edsels' "Rama Lama Ding Dong". The harmonies became less involved and the entire style became campy, which is common to other genres of pop music once it becomes commercially and societally acceptable. Try listening to the Vocaleers' "Is It a Dream", or, "Love Is A Vow" by the Melloharps and compare it to anything post 1958. The difference in the quality of the vocals is more than apparent. Peronally, I like listening to Larry Chance & The Earls; but, even their style falls into the cheesy type prevalent during that particular period.
 
Cheese is in the eye of the beholder... When Nader coined the term Doo-Wop in the 70's for his revival shows, It featured those groups from the period you called Cheesy, the Earls, Passions, Mystics, etc. Those 48-54 vocals groups that I am also a big fan of, are more R&B..well, actually what is the difference between R&B and Doo-Wop ????.. I know that several pages back we may have debated this point..I still prefer to pigeon-hole more, rather, than retro pure R&B into the doo-Wop category. Little Anthony and the Platters are more pop than R&B much less, Doo-Wop by my narrow definition of Doo-Wop. I guess I took Nadar to Literal based on group choices for his shows back in the early 70's ..

Sha-Na-Na is definitely campy, by design ..the Mystics, Dupress, Chimes, Earls, Passions, Quotations, Skyliners, etc certainly weren't campy based on their style, and certainly wasn't due to a decline in ability. We are talking here some of the best group vocalists of all time (by Rock n Roll standards)Johnny Maestro, Larry Chance, Joey Vann and the great Jimmy Beaumont. They are an East Coast hybrid sound evolved from pre-dominantly white kids doing R&B..
 
SfanGoch said:
GridLeakBias said:
Silkie said:
GridLeakBias said:
Silkie said:
Don't forget The Marcels and The Court Jesters
No way we could leave out the Marcels with their classic doo-wop recording of “Blue Moon”.

But, the Court Jesters?

Do you mean the east coast quartet, the Jesters? They enjoyed local airplay and some national exposure in 1957 with “So Strange”, “Please Let Me Love You” and “The Plea”. The Winley label distributor had a bright idea in 1959 and a “battle of the bands” album was produced, entitled “The Paragons Meet The Jesters “. (The Paragons also recorded on the Winley label.) This album renewed public interest in the Jesters and they went on to record “The Wind”, another east coast hit.

No, I mean, The Court Jesters. I believe this little ditty might have been around in about 1953:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPesE1xWMU&feature=related&pos=12

The Marcels also had a goody with "My Melancholy Baby", which started out sounding like "Blue Moon", but was cut short by "Nah, not that thing again! Sing Melancholy Baby...alright, we will". LOL

Well thanks for the link, Silkie, somehow I missed the Court Jesters in my studies and I found this uptempo humorous recording (Roaches) refreshing to listen to. I wonder, is that a King Curtis sax solo on the bridge? Curtis became a much sought after session player around 1956 or so … this sounds like his honking tenor sax. Not sure what work he performed after he finished touring with Lionel Hampton in the early 50s.

Re: the Marcels. All their recordings were marvelous, they were true doo-wop artists.

Regards...

"Roaches" by the Court Jesters was released on Blast Records in 1961. John Kuse & The Excellents (Coney Island Baby) also recorded for this New york Label. Re the sax work, it's not King Curtis; it's one of Blast's in-house musicians.
Thanks, I appreciate the info.
GLB
 
Silkie said:
Melancholy Baby - Fun little Marcels tune

besides that they are recorded by the Marcels...what do Blue Moon, Heartaches, Sunday Kind of Love, Summertime and Melancholy Baby have in Common:......
 
I want to say all 1930s recordings, but I'm not sure about Sunday Kind of Love
 
hornet61 said:
Silkie said:
Melancholy Baby - Fun little Marcels tune

besides that they are recorded by the Marcels...what do Blue Moon, Heartaches, Sunday Kind of Love, Summertime and Melancholy Baby have in Common:......
??Looking for love?? ??Lost love?? ??No love??
 
Silkie said:
I want to say all 1930s recordings, but I'm not sure about Sunday Kind of Love

Silkie go to the front of the class...all original 30's songs, I believe, ....bonus points for "Sunday Kind Of Love" (I thought it was also 30's) 1946......
 
Hello To Everyone! My name is John "Marty" Trautman, co-founder & member of a New York City doo-wop group known as "The Chevrons". I relocated to the Dallas, TX Metroplex some 28 years ago. The topic of discussion encompasses a rather lengthy response. Even though it's 1:30 a.m. CDT, & time for me to get some sleep, I will offer one related answer. Many years ago, I came to find out that allegedly, the first recording to contain the words "doo wop", was "When You Dance" by The Turbans. I have much more to add but it's "night-night" time. Ciao! ::)
 
Chevrons_founder56 said:
Hello To Everyone! My name is John "Marty" Trautman, co-founder & member of a New York City doo-wop group known as "The Chevrons". I relocated to the Dallas, TX Metroplex some 28 years ago. The topic of discussion encompasses a rather lengthy response. Even though it's 1:30 a.m. CDT, & time for me to get some sleep, I will offer one related answer. Many years ago, I came to find out that allegedly, the first recording to contain the words "doo wop", was "When You Dance" by The Turbans. I have much more to add but it's "night-night" time. Ciao! ::)
Looking forward to your input Marty, as the "doo-wop" term and genre have both been the root of a great deal of controversy over the years, and the opinions in this thread vary considerably. 8)
 
Chevrons_founder56 said:
Hello To Everyone! My name is John "Marty" Trautman, co-founder & member of a New York City doo-wop group known as "The Chevrons". I relocated to the Dallas, TX Metroplex some 28 years ago. The topic of discussion encompasses a rather lengthy response. Even though it's 1:30 a.m. CDT, & time for me to get some sleep, I will offer one related answer. Many years ago, I came to find out that allegedly, the first recording to contain the words "doo wop", was "When You Dance" by The Turbans. I have much more to add but it's "night-night" time. Ciao! ::)
hello Marty....... I programmed Lullaby on two Oldies Stations(1 commercial station and 1 live365.com) , great song. Check it out on you tube..co-written By Mickey Baker of Mickey andfd Sylvia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFxEQk4i8Iw
 
"When You Dance" was released in late July 1955, on the Herald Label. The Teardrops, a white group from the Bronx, recorded "the Stars Are out Tonight" (Josie 766), for Jerry Blaine's Josie subsidiary, in 1954.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8b4IsyMirQ


You can hear the "Doo Wop, wa-doo, da-do-day" being sung. So, if you want to claim "firsts", this recording fits the bill. There are earlier examples prior to 1954; I'll have to check my collection to verify that.
 
SfanGoch said:
"When You Dance" was released in late July 1955, on the Herald Label. The Teardrops, a white group from the Bronx, recorded "the Stars Are out Tonight" (Josie 766), for Jerry Blaine's Josie subsidiary, in 1954.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8b4IsyMirQ


You can hear the "Doo Wop, wa-doo, da-do-day" being sung. So, if you want to claim "firsts", this recording fits the bill. There are earlier examples prior to 1954; I'll have to check my collection to verify that.
what a great song..i love this stuff...check this one out "The Dovers" Devil You may Be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUHXtRSaEMU
 
Jiminy Cricket's classic "When You Wish Upon A Star", was a neat doo wopp.
 
Quote from hornet61

what a great song..i love this stuff...check this one out "The Dovers" Devil You may Be...

My wife worked with Miriam Grate's niece, coincidentally. I found out when my wife mentioned her name. I asked my wife to ask her friend if she was related to a singer. She told her she was; and, she even brought a stack of mint 45s and 78s, photos of her and her aunt, etc. to prove it. She said she was surprised that anyone would know who her aunt is. My wife told her I'm weird like that. I also sucked up to Raoul Cita's daughter and to Bobby Robinson. Being an ingratiating brown-nose is a great way to make friends and meet music legends. Although, it's a method I wouldn't recommend to everyone. I did that with Julian Lennon, in the mid 80s, when he lived in Trump Tower and I worked there as a concierge. I'm still waiting for his former manager to repay the five bills he borrowed.
 
Silkie said:
Pennies From Heaven - Jimmy Beaumont and The Skyliners
on the Drake/Chenault "History of Rock N' Roll Documemtary"..they singled out Jimmy Beaumont as possibly the best male vocalist of the Group Era..and he may well have been.......but, also singing right next to him was the beautiful voice of a tormented soul by the name Of Janet Vogel...she succumed to her demons and commited suicide some years later...she sang lead on the Andrew sisters .."I can dream can't I".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsnfDTGN10k
 
SfanGoch said:
Quote from hornet61

what a great song..i love this stuff...check this one out "The Dovers" Devil You may Be...

My wife worked with Miriam Grate's niece, coincidentally. I found out when my wife mentioned her name. I asked my wife to ask her friend if she was related to a singer. She told her she was; and, she even brought a stack of mint 45s and 78s, photos of her and her aunt, etc. to prove it. She said she was surprised that anyone would know who her aunt is. My wife told her I'm weird like that. I also sucked up to Raoul Cita's daughter and to Bobby Robinson. Being an ingratiating brown-nose is a great way to make friends and meet music legends. Although, it's a method I wouldn't recommend to everyone. I did that with Julian Lennon, in the mid 80s, when he lived in Trump Tower and I worked there as a concierge. I'm still waiting for his former manager to repay the five bills he borrowed.

I can't get enough Dovers...in fact can't find a best of the Dovers anywhere...another group i love ..can't find a compilation is the Del-Rios ..check It Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMIgfZFqHCA
 
hornet61 said:
SfanGoch said:
Quote from hornet61

what a great song..i love this stuff...check this one out "The Dovers" Devil You may Be...

My wife worked with Miriam Grate's niece, coincidentally. I found out when my wife mentioned her name. I asked my wife to ask her friend if she was related to a singer. She told her she was; and, she even brought a stack of mint 45s and 78s, photos of her and her aunt, etc. to prove it. She said she was surprised that anyone would know who her aunt is. My wife told her I'm weird like that. I also sucked up to Raoul Cita's daughter and to Bobby Robinson. Being an ingratiating brown-nose is a great way to make friends and meet music legends. Although, it's a method I wouldn't recommend to everyone. I did that with Julian Lennon, in the mid 80s, when he lived in Trump Tower and I worked there as a concierge. I'm still waiting for his former manager to repay the five bills he borrowed.

I can't get enough Dovers...in fact can't find a best of the Dovers anywhere...another group i love ..can't find a compilation is the Del-Rios ..check It Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMIgfZFqHCA

The only collections that contain Dovers material are Relic Records' "The Golden Era of DooWops, The Groups of Apollo Records-Part 2"[/b/ and "The Golden Age of DooWops-The Groups of Jay-Dee Records".

It's slim pickings if you want to find Dovers material:

1955 - My angel / Please Squeeze (Apollo 472)
1988 - My love (Relic LP 5075/5078)
1959 - Sweet as a flower / Boy in my life (Davis 465)
1961 - The Sentence / Devil you may be (New Horizon 501)
1988 - Your Love (Acapella) (Relic LP 5075)
1988 - Only Heaven knows (Acapella) (Relic LP 5075)
 
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