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Will they "fix" HD am??

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jras20

I noticed on the far out am stations that have HD on them dont come in as good as they use to, for example KRDL 1080 Dallas, I use to could get them as clear as can get, but durring the day, they seem to be weak. At night I can recieve them fiarly good, will am always be this way from now on? I kind of wished they wouldnt of tried to start doing this HD stuff.
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> I noticed on the far out am stations that have HD on them
> dont come in as good as they use to, for example KRDL 1080
> Dallas, I use to could get them as clear as can get, but
> durring the day, they seem to be weak. At night I can
> recieve them fiarly good, will am always be this way from
> now on? I kind of wished they wouldnt of tried to start
> doing this HD stuff.
>

AM HD will, of course, implode. It's about as sexy as "digital 8-track tapes" would have been in the age of iPods. How many AM stereo stations are left??? There's your answer. Only a fool would spend money to upgrade an AM facility to iboc. And we all know that there are no fools in broadcasting, ya right!!!!
 
> How many AM stereo stations are left???

About 300 in North America alone, or about 500 worldwide.
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> > How many AM stereo stations are left???
>
> About 300 in North America alone, or about 500 worldwide.
>

Out of how many thousands of stations??? I would consider those numbers a dismal failure. And out of those, how many merely broadcast a stereo carrier with mono content, and more importantly, how many listeners are receiving these stations on an AM stereo radio.

Now where did you say I could buy an AM stereo radio???????????

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> Now where did you say I could buy an AM stereo
> radio???????????

audiocubes.com
meduci.com

All I know is:

--- AM stereo used to put a robust stereo signal 300 miles plus (Plano, TX to Lubbock, TX) on 620 KMKI.

--- Its conversion to AM IBOC doesn't seem to have hurt its mono coverage, which seems to be about 400 miles out to the West.

--- It self-jams, as do all AM IBOC stations, you can hear digital hash even on narrowband radios such as the GE SR-2 (not 3), and unless you are precise in your tuning, the self-jamming gets much worse.

--- Since I can clearly hear the lower digital sideband in Lubbock, the effect of allowing nighttime operation would be a cacophony of noise all over the land area of the US, and except for a few islands of reception right near AM stations, the band will be unusable. That much RF trash generated by 10000 US AM stations would effective jam the band worldwide.

--- Since I can only get a lower sideband in Lubbock, KMKI has traded a robust 300 mile stereo signal for a digital signal that according to the best scenario, could only decode mono at a reduced bit-rate. We are talking streaming audio quality or less. I hope I can shut off the stupid digital and go back to analog in that case. The chopped off analog is likely to sound better than single sideband IBOC.

OK, big city station owners, remind me how the needs of rural and small town America don't matter, and I shouldn't have the colossal gall to DX so I can get better programming.
 
For the most part, small town America has FM. The FCC's doctrine from the 80s has been that you don't need to hear anything not in your immediate area. If you're in Lima, OH, you don't need to hear Ft. Wayne.<P ID="signature">______________
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> For the most part, small town America has FM. The FCC's
> doctrine from the 80s has been that you don't need to hear
> anything not in your immediate area. If you're in Lima, OH,
> you don't need to hear Ft. Wayne.

gr8 - how does WTVN sound in Dayton with the IBOC? I could clearly hear the hash on 620 when I was in Toledo a few months ago. I think 610 sounds horrid during the day. Man I wish they'd go back to the rich full sound they had before IBOC. Or the daytime pattern they used at night all summer last year!
 
> For the most part, small town America has FM. The FCC's
> doctrine from the 80s has been that you don't need to hear
> anything not in your immediate area. If you're in Lima, OH,
> you don't need to hear Ft. Wayne.
>

Unless the small town FM has been creatively re-allocated to or is attempting to rimshot some nearby larger city or suburb thereof.
 
That is a crock. I went on vacation this summer in parts of the west - and there were many areas, even where there were small towns, that the FM band was almost blank, except for one or two signals that I would classify as medium or deep fringe.

The Eastern 1/3 of the country presumes to speak for the western 2/3 of the country, once again.
 
> > For the most part, small town America has FM. The FCC's
> > doctrine from the 80s has been that you don't need to hear
>
> > anything not in your immediate area. If you're in Lima,
> OH,
> > you don't need to hear Ft. Wayne.
>
> gr8 - how does WTVN sound in Dayton with the IBOC? I could
> clearly hear the hash on 620 when I was in Toledo a few
> months ago. I think 610 sounds horrid during the day. Man I
> wish they'd go back to the rich full sound they had before
> IBOC. Or the daytime pattern they used at night all summer
> last year!

Same here in southern Michigan. I used to be able to pick them up very clearly 24/7... but not anymore. It's as if they had a nighttime-only license now.

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Hash from 590 to 630. Can't tell a lot of difference on the main channel, though..maybe just my ears. Still miss day pattern 24/7..could hear Steve Cannon.<P ID="signature">______________
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When I was in college at Toledo in the late 90s, 610 would blast in every night after the pattern change. So IBOC has cut down on the range? Guess I'm not too surprised, but that's a shame nonetheless.
gr8 - hash from 590 to 630 in Dayton?! Wow. I didn't think that would be that wide-ranging 70 miles out. Maybe 610 itself sounds more normal that far out, what with the normal static on the channel, but here in town where it was formerly a 100 percent clear signal in the daytime it sounds bad with the digital hiss (at least on my radio).

> > > For the most part, small town America has FM. The FCC's
> > > doctrine from the 80s has been that you don't need to
> hear
> >
> > > anything not in your immediate area. If you're in Lima,
> > OH,
> > > you don't need to hear Ft. Wayne.
> >
> > gr8 - how does WTVN sound in Dayton with the IBOC? I could
>
> > clearly hear the hash on 620 when I was in Toledo a few
> > months ago. I think 610 sounds horrid during the day. Man
> I
> > wish they'd go back to the rich full sound they had before
>
> > IBOC. Or the daytime pattern they used at night all summer
>
> > last year!
>
> Same here in southern Michigan. I used to be able to pick
> them up very clearly 24/7... but not anymore. It's as if
> they had a nighttime-only license now.
>
> Post 931 dedicated to 93.1 in Miami, currently WHDR. How I
> miss the days of WTMI.
 
I highly doubt that IBOC is cutting range of the station. Technically there is no way that could happen.



> When I was in college at Toledo in the late 90s, 610 would
> blast in every night after the pattern change. So IBOC has
> cut down on the range? Guess I'm not too surprised, but
> that's a shame nonetheless.
> gr8 - hash from 590 to 630 in Dayton?! Wow. I didn't think
> that would be that wide-ranging 70 miles out. Maybe 610
> itself sounds more normal that far out, what with the normal
> static on the channel, but here in town where it was
> formerly a 100 percent clear signal in the daytime it sounds
> bad with the digital hiss (at least on my radio).
>
> > > > For the most part, small town America has FM. The
> FCC's
> > > > doctrine from the 80s has been that you don't need to
> > hear
> > >
> > > > anything not in your immediate area. If you're in
> Lima,
> > > OH,
> > > > you don't need to hear Ft. Wayne.
> > >
> > > gr8 - how does WTVN sound in Dayton with the IBOC? I
> could
> >
> > > clearly hear the hash on 620 when I was in Toledo a few
> > > months ago. I think 610 sounds horrid during the day.
> Man
> > I
> > > wish they'd go back to the rich full sound they had
> before
> >
> > > IBOC. Or the daytime pattern they used at night all
> summer
> >
> > > last year!
> >
> > Same here in southern Michigan. I used to be able to pick
>
> > them up very clearly 24/7... but not anymore. It's as if
> > they had a nighttime-only license now.
> >
> > Post 931 dedicated to 93.1 in Miami, currently WHDR. How
> I
> > miss the days of WTMI.
>
 
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