Will US AM IBOC affect out Treaties with Mexico and Canada?

[amfmsw]

No one wants the AM band to succeed and prosper for another 100 years more than me. But with the sideband sludge the IBOC drips on either side of the main channel, won't our Broadcast Treaties with our neighbors be violated?

Weren't WE (US) the ones who got Mexico to turn down the 500kw "Boarder Blasters" and play nice?

I have no axe to grind against Ibiquity, but I don't think the system used on AM is ready.

 

[davideduardo]

No one wants the AM band to succeed and prosper for another 100 years more than me. But with the sideband sludge the IBOC drips on either side of the main channel, won't our Broadcast Treaties with our neighbors be violated?

Mexico has HD stations on the air. Eventually, they will likely approve it as the officil system. Canada has so few AMs left, the potential for interference is minimal... and the CRTC plus Industry Canada just opened up an inquiry / factfinding on HD since Eureka has failed in Canada.

Weren't WE (US) the ones who got Mexico to turn down the 500kw "Boarder Blasters" and play nice?

No, we were not. There was only one "supposed" 50 kw station and it failed due to the legal problems of its operator, Doc Brinkley, not the US governent pressuring the soverign nation of Mexico.

Mexico has / had these heritage "over 100 kw" stations.
540 150,000 watts. Still running.
730 150,000 watts. Now running 100 kw
800 150,000 watts. Now 50 kw because the market for AM night skywave died, and the local market requires no more power.
900 250,000 watts. Now and back then, still running.
940 100,000 watts. Now 50 kw apparently due to antenna issues in Mexico
1050 150,000 watts, now 100 kw as night revenues declined and they are mostly a local station in Mexico's 2nd market.
1220 100,000 watts then and now.
1570 250,000 watts in the 60's and 70's.. dropped to 17 kw when night paid religion no longer produced revenue. Now 100 kw for local market.

In recent years, the following have increased beyond 50 kw.
690 XEN 100 kw (and IBOC)
690 XETRA 77 kw day only
760 XEABC 77 kw
830 Mexico City 100 kw
970 Mexico City 100 kw
1060 Mexico City 100 kw
1110 Mexico City rumored to be 100 kw.


S.E.ú.O.

 

[Mike Walker]

Canada will probably have HD on the air by the end of this decade as well. A better question ought to be, what are WE doing about the massive amounts of power other countries in our hemisphere allow on AM...often swamping American stations?

 

[PocketRadio]

No one wants the AM band to succeed and prosper for another 100 years more than me. But with the sideband sludge the IBOC drips on either side of the main channel, won't our Broadcast Treaties with our neighbors be violated?

Mexico has HD stations on the air. Eventually, they will likely approve it as the officil system. Canada has so few AMs left, the potential for interference is minimal... and the CRTC plus Industry Canada just opened up an inquiry / factfinding on HD since Eureka has failed in Canada.

Weren't WE (US) the ones who got Mexico to turn down the 500kw "Boarder Blasters" and play nice?

No, we were not. There was only one "supposed" 50 kw station and it failed due to the legal problems of its operator, Doc Brinkley, not the US governent pressuring the soverign nation of Mexico.

Mexico has / had these heritage "over 100 kw" stations.
540 150,000 watts. Still running.
730 150,000 watts. Now running 100 kw
800 150,000 watts. Now 50 kw because the market for AM night skywave died, and the local market requires no more power.
900 250,000 watts. Now and back then, still running.
940 100,000 watts. Now 50 kw apparently due to antenna issues in Mexico
1050 150,000 watts, now 100 kw as night revenues declined and they are mostly a local station in Mexico's 2nd market.
1220 100,000 watts then and now.
1570 250,000 watts in the 60's and 70's.. dropped to 17 kw when night paid religion no longer produced revenue. Now 100 kw for local market.

In recent years, the following have increased beyond 50 kw.
690 XEN 100 kw (and IBOC)
690 XETRA 77 kw day only
760 XEABC 77 kw
830 Mexico City 100 kw
970 Mexico City 100 kw
1060 Mexico City 100 kw
1110 Mexico City rumored to be 100 kw.


S.E.ú.O.

"50,000-Watt AM stations"

http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/50kwam.html

"Radio Locator"

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bi...s_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&is_unl=Y&is_ful=Y&is_lp=Y&s=N

Not true - Canada has about 50 50KW AM stations, many adjacent to U.S. 50KW AM-HD stations. Looking through the Radio Locator list, there are many other Canadian AM stations. We'll see how unconcerned Canada is about IBUZZ !

 

[PocketRadio]

Canada will probably have HD on the air by the end of this decade as well. A better question ought to be, what are WE doing about the massive amounts of power other countries in our hemisphere allow on AM...often swamping American stations?

"Digital radio in Canada"

"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists... The Commission concurs with the CBC: "...digital IBOC signals will add a certain amount of noise to a station's analog signal, marginally reducing its effective service area." and "...IBOC signals can degrade the service areas of technically related stations located in the same or adjacent markets." Both of these premises have been presented by DXers in the U.S. and are generally denied by IBOC supporters. It is interesting to see them accepted, on the record, by the Canadian regulatory authorities."

http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada.html

DAB has stalled in Canada, due to lack of consumer support - few DAB receivers have been sold. If HD/IBOC is tried, the same failed situation will occur, as in the U.S.

 

[davideduardo]

DAB has stalled in Canada, due to lack of consumer support - few DAB receivers have been sold. If HD/IBOC is tried, the same failed situation will occur, as in the U.S.

Eureka never got off the pad. It has not stalled... the idea of the same station on a radio that is useless in 95% of Canada did not appeal. HD is just recently under study as the alternative for the desire to move to a digital system.

 

[PocketRadio]

DAB has stalled in Canada, due to lack of consumer support - few DAB receivers have been sold. If HD/IBOC is tried, the same failed situation will occur, as in the U.S.

Eureka never got off the pad. It has not stalled... the idea of the same station on a radio that is useless in 95% of Canada did not appeal. HD is just recently under study as the alternative for the desire to move to a digital system.

"Digital radio in Canada"

"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists... "

http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada.html


Ok David, we'll believe your spin over the stated facts in the article.

 

[davideduardo]

"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists... "

Ok David, we'll believe your spin over the stated facts in the article.

Eureka is dead, so the CRTC and Industry Canada are looking at HD to replace it as the approved digital system. HD is currently undedr review.

The article is talking about Eureka, not HD. Both are digital systems; Eureka did not work.

 

[PocketRadio]

"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists... "

Ok David, we'll believe your spin over the stated facts in the article.

Eureka is dead, so the CRTC and Industry Canada are looking at HD to replace it as the approved digital system. HD is currently undedr review.

The article is talking about Eureka, not HD. Both are digital systems; Eureka did not work.

The article mentions HD, as a replacement for Eureka - since new receivers are required for HD, just as with Eureka, the effort will fail in Canada, as it has so far in the U.S. from lack of consumer interest.

 

[Mike Walker]

Sadly Canada lives in our shadow, and always will. Geographically huge, in terms of population they're quite small. Eventually Canada's technical standards, and even their phone system, become the same as ours. The thing Canadian p2p downloaders go for most often? American tv shows. Canada is already investigating HD, and will undoubtedly adopt it (but will NOT require stations already using DAB to switch off their current service).