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Williams Out in AM Drive at 'GN

John Williams is moving to the old Kathy and Judy slot after only six months as Spike O'Dell's replacement, he's being replaced by KGO SF PM driver Greg Jarrett (no relation to the FNC guy), who has more of a news background than Williams or the controversial new weekend guys and comes from a station that may be closer to the traditional positioning of 'GN than what Michaels and Pig Vomit were indicating they were heading for with their other recent hires:

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...eplaced-in-morning-drive-by-greg-jarrett.html
 
I was no fan of John Williams at all...but you can NOT hire an outsider for the WGN morning slot...

Now watch the ratings plummet...
 
So which is it?

Half say you can't hire an outsider and the other half say there's no one worth a damn left that everyone knows.

Wally Phillips was an outsider and he worked out just fine.
 
Fred Winston would have done a superb job balancing the necessary news and information expected of WGN with an upbeat and entertaining take on the day. He's a warm, fuzzy and familiar voice for Chicago listeners who also understands the legacy and importance of WGN's role in Chicago and the midwest. At the very least, Fred would deliver a more contemporary and amusing approach for their morning show.

BTW, Greg Jarrett is no Wally Phillips.
 
casual observer said:
Fred Winston would have done a superb job balancing the necessary news and information expected of WGN with an upbeat and entertaining take on the day. He's a warm, fuzzy and familiar voice for Chicago listeners who also understands the legacy and importance of WGN's role in Chicago and the midwest. At the very least, Fred would deliver a more contemporary and amusing approach for their morning show.

BTW, Greg Jarrett is no Wally Phillips.

Absolutely agree that Fred Winston would be a great morning man on WGN.
They are in complete turmoil over there.
 
I think you make a change with baseball season when many new listeners come to the station.

This new guy has more of a news background than Fred does.

I never thought GN would change what it does and I am not sure it will be successful. Its too bad there is no station for the old listeners to migrate to. I think it is good having a friendly place on the dial, however GN won't be replicated somewhere else.
 
Arbitorn said:
Wally Phillips was an outsider and he worked out just fine.

I stand to be corrected, but I don't believe Phillips just walked in and took over morning drive. Didn't he spend some time "learning the landscape" in other time slots?
 
cyberdad said:
Arbitorn said:
Wally Phillips was an outsider and he worked out just fine.

I stand to be corrected, but I don't believe Phillips just walked in and took over morning drive. Didn't he spend some time "learning the landscape" in other time slots?

Absolutely. Wally came to WGN in 1957 and first worked in the evenings. He didn't get the morning slot until 1965.
 
That is correct, Wally, Uncle Bobby and Spike all came to WGN from out of town, but, they all spent time
in either afternoon drive or evenings, before being placed in morning drive. I know things change, that is
part of life, however, I think on a heritage station like WGN, the change is happening way to fast. All the
people who I mentioned had become familiar with Chicago and the audience before doing morning drive.

John Williams was not the best choice for mornings, I think he will do better in Kathy and Judy's 9-12 timeslot.

I do like Jerry Agar, I don't think he was the best choice for the 9-12 spot. There is already enough political
talk in that timeslot. People who listened to K and J wanted more light hearted-lifestyle talk.

I have to agree with people about Fred Winston, he is a well known local talent who can connect with
listeners of any age.
 
TR1992 said:
That is correct, Wally, Uncle Bobby and Spike all came to WGN from out of town, but, they all spent time
in either afternoon drive or evenings, before being placed in morning drive. I know things change, that is
part of life, however, I think on a heritage station like WGN, the change is happening way to fast. All the
people who I mentioned had become familiar with Chicago and the audience before doing morning drive.

John Williams was not the best choice for mornings, I think he will do better in Kathy and Judy's 9-12 timeslot.

I do like Jerry Agar, I don't think he was the best choice for the 9-12 spot. There is already enough political
talk in that timeslot. People who listened to K and J wanted more light hearted-lifestyle talk.

I have to agree with people about Fred Winston, he is a well known local talent who can connect with
listeners of any age.

Fred Winston would have been the best choice. He is familiar to Chicagoans of all ages. It seems the people at WGN are in a state of panic.
 
The "state of panic" and other terms of disintegration all seem to me to be ways of saying WGN is getting away from what it was and for some reason should still be. What it was no longer produces a measurable audience below 65. How did that work for Oldsmobile? Radio stations and car companies are not in business to keep your memories of the good old days alive.

Why would anyone worth his salt replace a show (K&J) that can't crack the Top 30 in 25-54 with a show that appeals to the same audience? How many 38 year-olds want to hear about someone's grandkids?

As for changing too fast, if what you are doing does not result in ratings, just how slowly should you change? It's like saying I'm on this road and going the wrong way but rather than turn around now, I'll just slow down. At least then I won't be going the wrong way as fast. If it's busted, fix it. WGN's abillity to attract 25-54 was busted. If you liked the old WGN, you probably will not like its successor.

I realize there is a large dome over Chicago and a world-traveled news guy like Greg Jarrett can't possibly know anything about it until he lives here for 7 or 8 years. He'll probably mispronounce Paulina and no one will listen. At least if no one listens, the 25-54 won't fall any further.

Let's see who swoops in to take over that vast audience of displaced listeners who can't possibly put up with someone not from here. It'll be interesting to see how they turn boxcar 65+ shares with nothing in the money demos into a decent return.
 
Arbitorn said:
The "state of panic" and other terms of disintegration all seem to me to be ways of saying WGN is getting away from what it was and for some reason should still be. What it was no longer produces a measurable audience below 65. How did that work for Oldsmobile? Radio stations and car companies are not in business to keep your memories of the good old days alive.

Why would anyone worth his salt replace a show (K&J) that can't crack the Top 30 in 25-54 with a show that appeals to the same audience? How many 38 year-olds want to hear about someone's grandkids?

As for changing too fast, if what you are doing does not result in ratings, just how slowly should you change? It's like saying I'm on this road and going the wrong way but rather than turn around now, I'll just slow down. At least then I won't be going the wrong way as fast. If it's busted, fix it. WGN's abillity to attract 25-54 was busted. If you liked the old WGN, you probably will not like its successor.

I realize there is a large dome over Chicago and a world-traveled news guy like Greg Jarrett can't possibly know anything about it until he lives here for 7 or 8 years. He'll probably mispronounce Paulina and no one will listen. At least if no one listens, the 25-54 won't fall any further.

Let's see who swoops in to take over that vast audience of displaced listeners who can't possibly put up with someone not from here. It'll be interesting to see how they turn boxcar 65+ shares with nothing in the money demos into a decent return.

They're going to go down further before they ever go up again.
 
I was no fan of John Williams at all...but you can NOT hire an outsider for the WGN morning slot...

Bobbie Collins was "an outsider" when he joined WGN.
 
This conversation is funny. Greg Jarrett is 56, hardly a whipper-snapper. I wish him well. I hope he can adapt quickly to a new city and the media types embrace him. I think he will be on a very short Kevin leash.
 
Goldear said:
I was no fan of John Williams at all...but you can NOT hire an outsider for the WGN morning slot...

Bobbie Collins was "an outsider" when he joined WGN.


But he was not an outsider when he took over morning drive. He was established in the afternoons. Wally Phillips was established before he took over mornings as well.
 
b344077 said:
This conversation is funny. Greg Jarrett is 56, hardly a whipper-snapper. I wish him well. I hope he can adapt quickly to a new city and the media types embrace him. I think he will be on a very short Kevin leash.

Once again this is WGN being in a panic mode while their ratings dive.
 
How can you dive when you're already on the bottom of the pool?! The ratings that will go down are the 65+. Who cares? They have no 25-54's to lose!

How is it panic to hire a seasoned, credible anchor for mornings after giving Williams the chance to fulfill a dream? Spike left before Kevin got there, the girls were replaced before their contract expired because they didn't want to talk about anything more controversial than "What's your favorite color," and some of the mechanics have been cleaned up between the elements. Hardly a firesale.

If that sounds like panic mode to you, your radio experience has been seriously limited.

You sound happy that the station is going to tank (which it can't because it's already down there) so I figure you either have an ax to grind with them or you're so stuck in the past that you can't get past the fact that no measurable audience wants to hear what they were doing. Replacing what they were doing with something that sounds just like it, whether that's what they've always done or not, is not going to grow an audience in the money demo.

What they are trying MAY work - it may not. But we KNOW what they WERE doing didn't. Healthy AM's dominate in many markets. They don't sound like the old WGN.
 
Arbitorn said:
How can you dive when you're already on the bottom of the pool?! The ratings that will go down are the 65+. Who cares? They have no 25-54's to lose!

How is it panic to hire a seasoned, credible anchor for mornings after giving Williams the chance to fulfill a dream? Spike left before Kevin got there, the girls were replaced before their contract expired because they didn't want to talk about anything more controversial than "What's your favorite color," and some of the mechanics have been cleaned up between the elements. Hardly a firesale.

If that sounds like panic mode to you, your radio experience has been seriously limited.

You sound happy that the station is going to tank (which it can't because it's already down there) so I figure you either have an ax to grind with them or you're so stuck in the past that you can't get past the fact that no measurable audience wants to hear what they were doing. Replacing what they were doing with something that sounds just like it, whether that's what they've always done or not, is not going to grow an audience in the money demo.

What they are trying MAY work - it may not. But we KNOW what they WERE doing didn't. Healthy AM's dominate in many markets. They don't sound like the old WGN.

Hey cool down. I have no axe to grind with WGN. In fact, I listen often to Steve & Johnnie who's show I enjoy very much.
The station has been getting old for years--that's nothing new. It seemed to me that changes should have been made awhile ago based on what you're saying it looks like you agree. Their demos have been old for awhile even though their overall ratings were still up there.
I don't have any problems with them trying to be successful & in fact I hope they are because I am still a fan of AM radio.
 
Arbitorn said:
How can you dive when you're already on the bottom of the pool?! The ratings that will go down are the 65+. Who cares? They have no 25-54's to lose!

How is it panic to hire a seasoned, credible anchor for mornings after giving Williams the chance to fulfill a dream? Spike left before Kevin got there, the girls were replaced before their contract expired because they didn't want to talk about anything more controversial than "What's your favorite color," and some of the mechanics have been cleaned up between the elements. Hardly a firesale.

If that sounds like panic mode to you, your radio experience has been seriously limited.

You sound happy that the station is going to tank (which it can't because it's already down there) so I figure you either have an ax to grind with them or you're so stuck in the past that you can't get past the fact that no measurable audience wants to hear what they were doing. Replacing what they were doing with something that sounds just like it, whether that's what they've always done or not, is not going to grow an audience in the money demo.

What they are trying MAY work - it may not. But we KNOW what they WERE doing didn't. Healthy AM's dominate in many markets. They don't sound like the old WGN.
I think if you want to find the bottom of the pool, you need to look at WCPT's ratings. This is what worries me about
WGN, and the way they are doing things. I said I have know WGN has to change things around, I never denied that.

I feel it important to point out that I'm in my mid 30's, and not a loyal GN listener. I do tune in from time to time though.
Once again I will say that I know that WGN HAS to make changes. I also think radio station's, and advertising agencies
and the people who sell advertising, need to start looking at things differently as well. In the coming years, the US
population is going to continue to age. People are living longer and birthrate's are shrinking, due to people not having
as many children as they used too. We as an industry NEED to drop this "you are too old to advertise too, so drop dead
already and go away, you don't deserve even one out of hundred's of station's to listen too". I know I will be attacked for
that statement and told I know nothing about advertising, so be it. Just look at radio today, I have trouble finding anyone
under 30 that listens to radio at all, and I'm not talking about WGN, I'm talking FM! If they do it is for the most part to hear
sports scores or breaking news, when they don't feel like looking it up on their phone.

I work at a small market AM that plays and EZ listening format(I know it's not a major market station, I've already
been reminded enough times!) Our average listener is around 55, and I have no problem selling the station. My "older"
audience has a lot more disposable income than the listeners on our sister FM. The AM makes more money than the FM,
even though it's only 1kw days, and .006kw nights. The listeners actually LISTEN to the commercials as well, not just flip
the station at the beginning of the break.

I know we were discussing WGN here, but, my point is valid, and the people in radio and advertising that want to stick
to the party line, that older people are worthless, should really start looking at reality, either find a way to make money
from older audiences or turn off the lights lock the door, because if we keep doing radio the way it's been done the past
ten or fifteen years, we are going to have NOBODY to advertise too.
 
TR, you are right on all counts! If you stop to think about it, the lame policies of our radio advertising industry are the main reason we have junk programming. I am waiting for these guys to become old themselves, so they too can experience what it is like to be written off and classified as worthless.

To me, it is absolutely a crime that in a city the size of Chicago we can't have even one station playing adult standards, or jazz, or blues, or any other creative or interesting format. (We're darn lucky we have WFMT, though not everyone enjoys classical music). Instead we get colon cleansing infomercials, time brokered foreign language programs, and far left/far right "hate" radio. BORING!!! Radio today has become the vast wasteland, and that is why many older Americans don't bother listening.

Remember those wonderful commercials asking "Why are we paying so much for our entertainment when we have free radio"? Well, as my mom would say, you get what you pay for.
 
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