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WILM/WDOV Delaware AM drive time newscast

It started this morning. The long awaited and much discussed topic on the various boards, of Clear Channel similcasting WILM's morning newscasts for AM drive on Dover's CC WDOV.

It sounded good. Joe Backer and Annie Nafosky anchoring. They had downstate news reports from the downstate news bureau. The traffic reports had both Wilmington and Dover traffic conditions, the weather reports gave stats for both Wilmington and Dover. With WILM being at 1450 and WDOV being at 1410, basically next to each other on the dial it becomes an easy thing to hear the traffic/weather/news from one end of the state to the other end ( I believe WDOV's signal covers the lower two counties).

I guess this would be the first "statewide" or "mini-network" newscast in Delaware.

At this point John Watson's talk show is still local, but I could envision CC doing the same thing with his show making it a "statewide" show using an 800 number.
 
> ( I believe WDOV's
> signal covers the lower two counties).

WDOV covers Kent County fine, but it's a little generous to say it covers Sussex.

> I guess this would be the first "statewide" or
> "mini-network" newscast in Delaware.

For the record, it was done sporadically in the late 80s when 1380/WAMS in Wilmington was co-owned with WKEN in Dover (the short-lived Blue Hen Network under then-owner Joe Farley). Nobody cared much.
 
Absolutely right about the coverage. It makes it well into Milford, but that's about it. Most of the signal goes down the Delaware River and Bay.

> > ( I believe WDOV's
> > signal covers the lower two counties).
>
> WDOV covers Kent County fine, but it's a little generous to
> say it covers Sussex.
>
> > I guess this would be the first "statewide" or
> > "mini-network" newscast in Delaware.
>
> For the record, it was done sporadically in the late 80s
> when 1380/WAMS in Wilmington was co-owned with WKEN in Dover
> (the short-lived Blue Hen Network under then-owner Joe
> Farley). Nobody cared much.
>
 
>
> They had downstate news reports from the downstate news
> bureau. The traffic reports had both Wilmington and Dover
> traffic conditions, the weather reports gave stats for both
> Wilmington and Dover.

What "downstate news bureau?" They've always had stories from downstate (accidents, fires, cows blocking traffic). Usually the wording is almost exactly like the story in the newspaper.

Their traffic service (owned by Westwood One's Metro Networks, like Shadow Traffic) is located downstate and they have been getting traffic fed from Sussex County all along. Only one Wilmington radio station has a local traffic service ... (OK, two including WSTW).

And they've always read weather stats for every town within 100 miles or so of Wilmington. (I always enjoyed how one announcer would always put a special emphasis on ALLEN-town.)

Nothing different here.

South of the canal is a different world and mostly they hate the big wicked city of Wilmington. People in Dover don't care about hearing Wilmington news (except for some morbid fascination with all the Wilmington crime stories and the pleasure of being right in the opinions of Wilmington and why they would not want to go there). And people in Wilmington don't care about cows wandering on Route 13 near Seaford.

This has disaster written all over it.
 
I would think that the folks in Dover would want a morning newscast with local traffic/weather/sports rather than a national satellite talker during AM drive. I guess time will tell, as to WDOV's numbers during that time. Unfortunately, the Dover stations don't show unless they show in either Wilmington or Salisbury 12+, so I guess we'll never really know.

Phil Feliciangeli (sp) works out of the WDOV studio so yes that would be their Dover Bureau.

Don't take this personally, but you are one pessimistic person, especially when it comes to WILM newsradio, or the people there, or for WAMS and what they are trying to do, and generally AM radio especially in Delaware. You see nothing of value on that band, so why not just listen to FM radio and be happy? You'll notice that I don't comment on WSTW and rarely on WJBR as I don't listen to either as I don't like what they broadcast. I don't bad mouth those stations as they have a right to put on the air anything they like as long as it doesn't break any of the FCC regs, etc. Frankly, the only thing, it seems, you'd like is to see the AM band discontinued. It truly seems that nothing they do will meet with a positive response from you. Those of us who enjoy what we hear on Wilmington AM radio will continue to do so for as long as it's available.

I think the WILM/WDOV similcast is a good idea and hopefully will be a ratings getter and a spot getter for both stations. It does seem that WILM's spot load has been increasing, which is a good thing as that will improve the bottom line.

> >
> > They had downstate news reports from the downstate news
> > bureau. The traffic reports had both Wilmington and Dover
>
> > traffic conditions, the weather reports gave stats for
> both
> > Wilmington and Dover.
>
> What "downstate news bureau?" They've always had stories
> from downstate (accidents, fires, cows blocking traffic).
> Usually the wording is almost exactly like the story in the
> newspaper.
>
> Their traffic service (owned by Westwood One's Metro
> Networks, like Shadow Traffic) is located downstate and they
> have been getting traffic fed from Sussex County all along.
> Only one Wilmington radio station has a local traffic
> service ... (OK, two including WSTW).
>
> And they've always read weather stats for every town within
> 100 miles or so of Wilmington. (I always enjoyed how one
> announcer would always put a special emphasis on
> ALLEN-town.)
>
> Nothing different here.
>
> South of the canal is a different world and mostly they hate
> the big wicked city of Wilmington. People in Dover don't
> care about hearing Wilmington news (except for some morbid
> fascination with all the Wilmington crime stories and the
> pleasure of being right in the opinions of Wilmington and
> why they would not want to go there). And people in
> Wilmington don't care about cows wandering on Route 13 near
> Seaford.
>
> This has disaster written all over it.
>
 
> I would think that the folks in Dover would want a morning
> newscast with local traffic/weather/sports rather than a
> national satellite talker during AM drive. I guess time
> will tell, as to WDOV's numbers during that time.
> Unfortunately, the Dover stations don't show unless they
> show in either Wilmington or Salisbury 12+, so I guess we'll
> never really know.
>
> Phil Feliciangeli (sp) works out of the WDOV studio so yes
> that would be their Dover Bureau.
>
> Don't take this personally, but you are one pessimistic
> person, especially when it comes to WILM newsradio, or the
> people there, or for WAMS and what they are trying to do,
> and generally AM radio especially in Delaware. You see
> nothing of value on that band, so why not just listen to FM
> radio and be happy? You'll notice that I don't comment on
> WSTW and rarely on WJBR as I don't listen to either as I
> don't like what they broadcast. I don't bad mouth those
> stations as they have a right to put on the air anything
> they like as long as it doesn't break any of the FCC regs,
> etc. Frankly, the only thing, it seems, you'd like is to
> see the AM band discontinued. It truly seems that nothing
> they do will meet with a positive response from you. Those
> of us who enjoy what we hear on Wilmington AM radio will
> continue to do so for as long as it's available.
>
> I think the WILM/WDOV similcast is a good idea and hopefully
> will be a ratings getter and a spot getter for both
> stations. It does seem that WILM's spot load has been
> increasing, which is a good thing as that will improve the
> bottom line.
>
We do have a team that works out of the Dover office. So, yes we have a
Dover bureau...
 
AM Radio

You have not been paying attention.

I'm a realist. You are an optomist and often your optimism does not seem founded in other than wishful thinking or your own personal preferences.

I admire good radio operations. I abhor bad radio. I want good radio to thrive and I want bad radio to go away. The issue for me is not whether I like a format; it's whether the format is done well.

I also consider any audio programming to be radio. FM. Internet. Satellite. AM is an obsolete technology. It had a great run but 90 years is a long time. What's important is the content, not the distribution technology. Newspapers use off-set rather than hot-type presses; they are still newspapers.

A big part of AM radio's problem is all the small sticks that do nothing but cause interference. They can't compete. They can't thrive. The garden must be weeded. Can AM survive. Only by taking advantage of what is unique to the technology - a high powered station can be heard over the horizon. A small number of high-powered stations can thrive; a large number of low power stations can not.

Wilmington has one solid AM radio operation (although not as solid as it was), which I have praised and which you routinely dismiss. You say these are matters of personal preference. That's fine for listeners, but you say you work in radio and radio does have critical and objective standards for (to use a phrase from someone you don't like) "broadcast excellence." Again, I admire good radio; maybe you have a fondness for underdogs.

>
> I think the WILM/WDOV similcast is a good idea and hopefully
> will be a ratings getter and a spot getter for both
> stations. It does seem that WILM's spot load has been
> increasing, which is a good thing as that will improve the
> bottom line.
>

You keep saying it's a good idea. Why?

Any increase in WILM's spot load is because advertisers who buy time on Clear Channel's FM stations can get bonus spots on WILM, and because Clear Channel will negotiate rates with advertisers (unlike the Hawkins' who drove away potential advertisers by insisting on full card rates). Kent County is not in the Wilmington MSA market. Any cumulative gain in audience with a simulcast will not be captured in the Arbitron numbers ad agencies see. And a local Wilmington advertiser is not likely to be interested in having Dover listeners hear his spots - or to want to pay extra for those Dover listeners (and the other way around). I can also envision Wilmington listeners tuning away from the increased Dover local news. (I can hear it now: "Only one Wilmington radio station brings you Wilmington's news - just for Wilmington.")

I notice when you post about WAMS you talk about your enjoyment of it. (That's fine but business realities are another matter.) When you talk about WILM you use phrases like "good idea." One is having dessert. The other is eating your vegetables. People say they want Mikey D's to have a healthy menu and they order the Super-Size fries. People are impressed - even proud - that this little hometown radio station has all this news and wins awards and calls India. They even forgive a somewhat amateurish product and sloppy production. But all that good will is not reflected in audience or revenue figures.
 
Re: AM Radio

We just don't see it the same way. I believe Wilmington has two solid AM radio operations WDEL and WILM. If WAMS plays it's cards right, it too could become a solid AM radio operation here also. AM1290 has a great signal, but needs a realistic product. You say content is important rather than the distribution technology. Having only a few high powered AM stations around wouldn't improve the content as the big AM's like Philly's 50,000w WPHT airs mostly satellite shows with only a some local content, yet you complain that that's what the small 1000w and smaller 250w stations do. By some of your comments, 1210 is acting like small time flea powered 250w 1260 WAMS. Yet based on what you said, that's ok for 1210 WPHT, but not ok for 1260 WAMS.

My point is, each of these radio stations are businesses. They each have their own product(whether or not we think it's worthy to be on the air, one man's music is another's noise). They stay in business by selling spots, or brokered showes, etc. If they are able to meet their payroll, pay their taxes, and make a profit that makes them happy, why should any of us complain? That is market driven supply side economics that the conservatives love to espouse. There are plenty of FM stations that cater to the kids. The kids won't listen to AM anyhow, so if the AM stations can find a niche that pays their bills by catering to the older ears, minority ears, ethnic ears, religious ears, the forgotten ears, etc, so what.

AM radio has evolved since it's start 90 years ago. From local content of recorded music and live local musical talent, etc, to network radio with dramas, comdies, live music remotes, etc, and then when TV came along taking that market AM evolved again to local music which ushered in rock and roll. Then Talk radio, at first local, then Larry King, Jim Bohannan on the old Mutual network and later Rush Limbaugh on satellite created another evolution in AM radio. AM radio will continue to evolve, just as any business must do to stay in business. One of the oldest companies in the world is the DuPont Company. They too have evolved over the years, they started out making black gun powder, today they are a very diverse bio-chemical company. They changed and are still in business. If they had not changed, they wouldn't be here today. Western Union just announced that they are stopping their telegraph business and have other businesses they now do. That is AM radio. It too has changed greatly. As long as their is a market for it AM will survive in one form or another. It's listeners will change as they evolve obviously.

Someone is making money with these AM stations and the related satellite programming that many do air or these shows and stations would go bankrupt and would go off the air. The market will decide.

I still believe, especially in an market like Wilmington that doesn't have many of it's own FM's only 2 full powered stations WSTW and WJBR (WVUD, WXHL,and WMPH are all non-comms with limited signals) that AM still is viable here. Sure they may not make as much money as their FM cousin's, but if they fill a niche, the local advertisers will buy time. Restauarants, supermarkets, drugs stores, bakeries, etc, do advertise on Wilmington AM radio. I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.

> You have not been paying attention.
>
> I'm a realist. You are an optomist and often your optimism
> does not seem founded in other than wishful thinking or your
> own personal preferences.
>
> I admire good radio operations. I abhor bad radio. I want
> good radio to thrive and I want bad radio to go away. The
> issue for me is not whether I like a format; it's whether
> the format is done well.
>
> I also consider any audio programming to be radio. FM.
> Internet. Satellite. AM is an obsolete technology. It had
> a great run but 90 years is a long time. What's important is
> the content, not the distribution technology. Newspapers
> use off-set rather than hot-type presses; they are still
> newspapers.
>
> A big part of AM radio's problem is all the small sticks
> that do nothing but cause interference. They can't compete.
> They can't thrive. The garden must be weeded. Can AM
> survive. Only by taking advantage of what is unique to the
> technology - a high powered station can be heard over the
> horizon. A small number of high-powered stations can
> thrive; a large number of low power stations can not.
>
> Wilmington has one solid AM radio operation (although not as
> solid as it was), which I have praised and which you
> routinely dismiss. You say these are matters of personal
> preference. That's fine for listeners, but you say you work
> in radio and radio does have critical and objective
> standards for (to use a phrase from someone you don't like)
> "broadcast excellence." Again, I admire good radio; maybe
> you have a fondness for underdogs.
>
> >
> > I think the WILM/WDOV similcast is a good idea and
> hopefully
> > will be a ratings getter and a spot getter for both
> > stations. It does seem that WILM's spot load has been
> > increasing, which is a good thing as that will improve the
>
> > bottom line.
> >
>
> You keep saying it's a good idea. Why?
>
> Any increase in WILM's spot load is because advertisers who
> buy time on Clear Channel's FM stations can get bonus spots
> on WILM, and because Clear Channel will negotiate rates with
> advertisers (unlike the Hawkins' who drove away potential
> advertisers by insisting on full card rates). Kent County
> is not in the Wilmington MSA market. Any cumulative gain in
> audience with a simulcast will not be captured in the
> Arbitron numbers ad agencies see. And a local Wilmington
> advertiser is not likely to be interested in having Dover
> listeners hear his spots - or to want to pay extra for those
> Dover listeners (and the other way around). I can also
> envision Wilmington listeners tuning away from the increased
> Dover local news. (I can hear it now: "Only one Wilmington
> radio station brings you Wilmington's news - just for
> Wilmington.")
>
> I notice when you post about WAMS you talk about your
> enjoyment of it. (That's fine but business realities are
> another matter.) When you talk about WILM you use phrases
> like "good idea." One is having dessert. The other is
> eating your vegetables. People say they want Mikey D's to
> have a healthy menu and they order the Super-Size fries.
> People are impressed - even proud - that this little
> hometown radio station has all this news and wins awards and
> calls India. They even forgive a somewhat amateurish
> product and sloppy production. But all that good will is
> not reflected in audience or revenue figures.
>
 
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