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Wingnut Attack: "Kill the Illegal Immigrants"

> Beck calls Katrina looters "bums", Media Matters
> flips out.

Define "flips out." They posted the story and attached an audio clip with his own words.

The reason there is a Media Matters and a permanent library of these people's own words is that time after time, one of them says something really dumb and then they deny they ever said it. O'Reilly himself has done that hundreds of times. There is this assumption that recording devices must not exist in right wing world because they are shocked and outraged by "extreme left wing websites" who reproduce, often without comment, their own words. The beauty about Media Matters is that, most of the time, the hosts own comments don't need any supplementary comments. They stand quite well on their own, especially when the original host denies they ever said any such thing.

Glenn Beck says a lot of things, and now is going to be working for Headline News (?!?!). I think before anyone picks up what this guy puts down, they might want to review his opinions including these, from just the last several months:

Beck: S.D. Native Americans "have found something that can be more profitable than casinos, and that's abortion clinics"

Beck: "Mexico is run by nothing but criminals and ... I pretty much stand by that"

Beck: Mexico "has been overtaken by lawbreakers from the bottom to the top. And now ... you're protesting ... to have [them] come here"

Beck to 7-year-old: "You want to go to Africa? I will personally purchase your airfare"

Beck: Are Americans "as dumb" as Nigerians?

Beck: Jimmy Carter biggest "waste of skin"; "[a]t least evil is using" skin of Kim Jong Il"

Beck to purported torturer: "I appreciate your service"

Glenn Beck called hurricane survivors in New Orleans "scumbags," said he "hates" 9-11 families
 
> No, it's called hypocrisy. We're bringing an old issue up to
> show that the left-wing pimps are biased. I personally think
> anyone should be able to say anything, and I'm not a big fan
> of either targets.

Let's see: right wing talk show host himself advocates that people pick off illegal immigrants as a fun game and part of the "solution driven" discussion about illegal immigration. Someone other than Randi Rhodes does a comedy bit which suggests that angry old people might take action if their benefits get cut.

Not much of a comparison there, unless Randi herself suggests that old people pack arms, go to Washington, and shoot the president. But she didn't.

Nice try.

> But unlike the posters who use this board as
> an extension of their "Bush lied people died" blog, some of
> us not including in the "we" are actually consistent.

Yeah, talking about a radio show host who said something outrageous on a radio show leading to potential involvement by the FCC, which regulates radio broadcasting, and news of a state-driven investigation into the radio show host, the radio station, and a discussion about the response by the radio station management to the incident has NOTHING TO DO WITH RADIO!

Duh.....
 
> And anyone who uses "railing" is misguided. But if you don't
> want to risk getting shot, you shouldn't let hunters in your
> backyard. If you don't want bits that are offensive, you
> shouldn't hire 20-somethings from the impeach Bush movement
> as unsupervised producers.

Shiny keys... keep looking at Randi's year old bit... not the story at hand. It's really transparent.
 
> Beck: "Mexico is run by nothing but criminals and ... I
> pretty much stand by that"

Been there. It's true, even in touristy areas.
 
> The reason there is a Media Matters and a permanent library
> of these people's own words is that time after time, one of
> them says something really dumb and then they deny they ever
> said it. O'Reilly himself has done that hundreds of times.
> There is this assumption that recording devices must not
> exist in right wing world because they are shocked and
> outraged by "extreme left wing websites" who reproduce,
> often without comment, their own words. The beauty about
> Media Matters is that, most of the time, the hosts own
> comments don't need any supplementary comments. They stand
> quite well on their own, especially when the original host
> denies they ever said any such thing.

Philip: I may enjoy listening to Steph Miller, but I don't take her every word as gospel like you do, even down to pirated phrases seen above. Media Matters may be right on a scoop from time to time, but why not archive an entire 3-hour show? Anything on any show can be taken out of context. Maybe not frequent SM target Bill O'Reilly, who isn't capable of doing an entertaining radio show, but the rest of them...

> Glenn Beck says a lot of things, and now is going to be
> working for Headline News (?!?!). I think before anyone
> picks up what this guy puts down, they might want to review
> his opinions including these, from just the last several
> months:

Al Franken was a liberal when on SNL. Nobody cares what you are if you can make them money.

> Beck: S.D. Native Americans "have found something that can
> be more profitable than casinos, and that's abortion
> clinics"

Seems pretty factual to me.

> Beck: "Mexico is run by nothing but criminals and ... I
> pretty much stand by that"

OK, an opinion.

> Beck: Mexico "has been overtaken by lawbreakers from the
> bottom to the top. And now ... you're protesting ... to have
> [them] come here"

A lot of dots and quotes there buddy. You wouldn't be editing anything to better suit your purposes?

> Beck to 7-year-old: "You want to go to Africa? I will
> personally purchase your airfare"

Deceptive at best. Since he was not speaking to anyone listening, it's more of a rhetorical comment. And, as usual, highly edited. She hates white people and says she belongs in Africa; it would be kinda like me saying I'm sick of responding to your posts and you replying "Good, don't visit the site anymore". Seems pretty reasonable to me.

> Beck: Are Americans "as dumb" as Nigerians?

Haven't heard it; hard to make a determination based on six words. How about some context... of course not; Media Matters isn't in the radio business, they're in the liberal business, so they don't really matter here anyway.

> Beck: Jimmy Carter biggest "waste of skin"; "[a]t least evil
> is using" skin of Kim Jong Il"

Funny if you agree, not if you don't.

> Beck to purported torturer: "I appreciate your service"

Any indication on inflection? I once said "I hate blacks"; turns out I was talking about the way my new black pants went with an overwashed black shirt. Were it for these four-word snippets, you'd have thought I was some sort of racist.

> Glenn Beck called hurricane survivors in New Orleans
> "scumbags," said he "hates" 9-11 families

And you've called the guy driving in front of you an a**hole; doesn't mean all drivers are or that it wasn't in some sort of context.

By the way, your pal Steph Miller recently did a big deal about Glenn Beck's getting "bounced out of Tucson" for his "low ratings". Truth is, Premiere let a rival station poach both Beck and Hendrie... being somewhat familiar with AM radio in Tucson, the station that stole them has double the 25-54 share, much better share of men, and an overall better rating than the sinking ship that picked up Miller. They involuntarily had a hole to fill. Funny how Stephanie failed to mention that.

Of course, how did I learn of this cherade on her part? Not by visiting some biased talking points website... I heard it live! Imagine the right wing tool I am listening to liberal radio.
 
> Let's see: right wing talk show host himself advocates that
> people pick off illegal immigrants as a fun game and part of
> the "solution driven" discussion about illegal immigration.
> Someone other than Randi Rhodes does a comedy bit which
> suggests that angry old people might take action if their
> benefits get cut.
>
> Not much of a comparison there, unless Randi herself
> suggests that old people pack arms, go to Washington, and
> shoot the president. But she didn't.
>
> Nice try.

Your argument that Randi is completely innocent because some member of her staff made a clip that she didn't WANT to listen to is rather facile. She could ask to screen clips before they air, but says she'd rather "be surprised" and respond to them naturally on the air. Surely if Mr. Snerdley played a clip on Rush's show that you disagreed with, you'd be here whining about it for the next week. The innocent victim routine is misguided seeing that it's not like some pantaloon came in off the street and invaded her show with some crazed clip.

And yes, I did steal the "pantaloon" routine from Lionel, another libtalk I listen to and enjoy... what a RW nut I am.
 
> > And anyone who uses "railing" is misguided. But if you
> don't
> > want to risk getting shot, you shouldn't let hunters in
> your
> > backyard. If you don't want bits that are offensive, you
> > shouldn't hire 20-somethings from the impeach Bush
> movement
> > as unsupervised producers.
>
> Shiny keys... keep looking at Randi's year old bit... not
> the story at hand. It's really transparent.

I'd say it's more like the bank refusing your loan because you had a bankruptcy last year. It IS an issue of credibility. Seems to me the Iraq war started over a year ago, but I still hear about how "Bush lied". And I get sick of hearing Al Franken AND Sean Hannity talk about WMDs and serin gas.
 
> That is what Matt Drudge said she said, but I heard it,
> live, over the air, and guess what - Matt Drudge lied about
> it (imagine that) and then compounded the lie by inventing,
> out of thin air, that the NY office of the Secret Service
> was investigating her.
>
> There are two bits that the wingnuts have tried to pin on
> Randi - the old people getting up in arms and packing arms
> in response to Bush plans to scuttle Social Security (that
> was the bit Drudge claimed was her threatening the
> president, even though the bit wasn't produced or spoken by
> her). It never said anything suggesting we should go take
> out the president. The other bit is her Fredo reference, as
> she commonly compares the Bush family to the Godfather, and
> considers Dubya the Fredo of the family. The wingnuts
> assume that means that she wants Bush dead like Fredo was in
> the movie, but in fact it's a reference to his cluelessness.
>
> I realize the right wing humor is not so much, but
> advocating that people take their guns to the border and
> pick off illegal immigrants and calling it satire is a
> stretch even Richard Simmons wouldn't attempt.

Some of us here aren't even complaining about any of the bits, although your love of Randi Rhodes as apparently more than just a radio host is wearing thin. Radio seeks to both entertain and piss off, and whoever can do that is doing something right.
 
I heard him play it on the air on another broadcast, and heard the other hosts at KFYI say it.

Look, explain how this was not a story, not a peep for over a month, until someone needed a story to go along with their press conference. Was the outrage so huge that people were struck silent for a month?

No, they are justa bunch of publicity pimps trying to make hay.
 
> BTW, I must have missed the apology from this clown, because
> I haven't seen one.

Yep, anyone who disagrees with you is a clown. Fantastic.
 
> Some of us here aren't even complaining about any of the
> bits, although your love of Randi Rhodes as apparently more
> than just a radio host is wearing thin. Radio seeks to both
> entertain and piss off, and whoever can do that is doing
> something right.

Yeah, I'm having a love affair with Randi Rhodes because I debunked yet another talking point around here. I think what upsets some people is that they can't just post garbage and expect to just get away with it.

Telling the truth never wears thin.
 
> Yep, anyone who disagrees with you is a clown. Fantastic.

Anyone who advocates the murder of another human being and says it's "satire" is, by their own admission, a clown. That you don't like the fact that such a person is held to account for their own words on the air is what generates these one liner replies.
 
> I heard him play it on the air on another broadcast, and
> heard the other hosts at KFYI say it.

If you are referring to the alleged apology here, that flies totally in the face of station management who have now said on the record there never was an apology. You were referring to the "apology" here, weren't you, because your original contribution to this thread made a major point about the fact it was given, and nobody but you seems to have heard it.

> Look, explain how this was not a story, not a peep for over
> a month, until someone needed a story to go along with their
> press conference. Was the outrage so huge that people were
> struck silent for a month?

So what the radio host said isn't the problem, it's the guy who said it was not acceptable, that the host won't apologize for it, and he advocated holding someone accountable for telling people that murder was the solution driven response to illegal immigration.

So it wasn't that Slobodan Milosevic advocated the ethnic cleansing of people in Yugoslavia, it was the publicity hounds at the Hague who needed to make it an issue that was the problem.

Same logic.

BTW, thank you for quietly dropping the Randi Rhodes talking point.
 
> Philip: I may enjoy listening to Steph Miller, but I don't
> take her every word as gospel like you do, even down to
> pirated phrases seen above.

Actually every phrase I used about Media Matters under attack came straight from Bill O'Reilly himself. Every word defending Media Matters came not from Stephanie Miller but from David Brock, who is involved in the organization.

As far as Stephanie goes, I'm sure she appreciates the fact you're listening.

> Al Franken was a liberal when on SNL. Nobody cares what you
> are if you can make them money.

SNL isn't a news channel.

> > Glenn Beck called hurricane survivors in New Orleans
> > "scumbags," said he "hates" 9-11 families
>
> And you've called the guy driving in front of you an
> a**hole; doesn't mean all drivers are or that it wasn't in
> some sort of context.

The amazing difference is that one has a radio show and the other doesn't, and you have a spend a lot of time at the spinning wheel to cook up a defense for hating the families of 9/11 victims.
 
> Telling the truth never wears thin.

What garbage are people posting? That it's wrong to say we should shoot "illegals" is an opinion, not a fact, and hence not rooted in "truth".
 
> > Yep, anyone who disagrees with you is a clown. Fantastic.
>
> Anyone who advocates the murder of another human being and
> says it's "satire" is, by their own admission, a clown.
> That you don't like the fact that such a person is held to
> account for their own words on the air is what generates
> these one liner replies.

I could care less what happens to him personally, but I'd rather err on the side of free speech than clamping down on what people can say. Of course, its only coincidental that only LWers get pissed off at conservative-branded satire, and vica versa.
 
> SNL isn't a news channel.

> > And you've called the guy driving in front of you an
> > a**hole; doesn't mean all drivers are or that it wasn't in
>
> > some sort of context.
>
> The amazing difference is that one has a radio show and the
> other doesn't, and you have a spend a lot of time at the
> spinning wheel to cook up a defense for hating the families
> of 9/11 victims.

Stephanie Miller makes fun of whiny, hypocritical conservatives, just as Beck picks on opportunist 9/11 families, a small slice of the pie. For a liberal who likes to see things in shades of gray, one would think you could differentiate his statement.

As to your saying there's a difference between those who host a show, it only proves why your buddies at AAR will never be as successful as conservatalkers; you view a talk show as a podium which holds serious responsibilities to provide some sort of public service. Wrong - the only difference between the aforementioned driver and the talk show host is that the latter has to do it entertainingly. There's no responsibility to the public required.
 
> What garbage are people posting? That it's wrong to say we
> should shoot "illegals" is an opinion, not a fact, and hence
> not rooted in "truth".

You mean "truthiness." If he says it on the air, it makes it a fact that he said it. Your attempt to minimize it with your Word Salad Shooter doesn't change that.
 
> I could care less what happens to him personally, but I'd
> rather err on the side of free speech than clamping down on
> what people can say. Of course, its only coincidental that
> only LWers get pissed off at conservative-branded satire,
> and vica versa.

We've seen examples of what happens when people go too far. They stand alone with little support behind them. In the political arena, Abramoff couldn't get the Pizza Hut to deliver to his house he was so untouchable. On the left, Ms. McKinney also discovered she was the last one standing at the mike.

We had a local talk show host who paid the price for comparing our former African American mayor with a monkey at the zoo. He had some listeners defend him, but let's just say the outrage exceeded the listener support.
 
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