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Winning stuff on the radio - a poll

Re: Sandra Taylor

> > Now originally, the annual lease was done through a
> > promotion with Late Chevrolet. Of course, Late sold out
> > right after the contest and became Jim Johnson Chevrolet,
> > and later Reliable Chevrolet. I assume they still have
> some
> > level of obligation written in to the old contract as
> well.
> >
> > Actually it was Friendly Chevrolet who made the deal with
> KVIL..
>
> i do remember the morning of the contest, and i Think it was
> Ken Barnett in a cherry picker with several pairs of gloves
> on, who selected the winning entry..

Ken Barnett in a cherry picker and Ron Chapman in a cement truck mixer. The impartiality of selecting the winners grew more involved with each prize give away. The drawings pulled as much notice as did the contests themselves. Chapman never failed to follow the principle of parsimony in contest execution, start to finish. No one did it better.>
 
> Well those in radio can't win stuff but those who listen
> can. What's the best thing you ever won on the radio? Me,
> thanks to Jody Dean and my worthless brain trivia, front row
> tickets to Neil Diamond.
>
Won a contest for a popcorn popper and Cowboys T-shirt just by being the first caller to know the Cowboys-Cardinals Monday night football score from the previous evening in the fall of 1991 from Q-102. What I didn't know was that entered me into a grand prize drawing for a trip for two (which I won) to watch the Super Bowl on a yacht party at Marina Del Rey Califorinia! There were winners from all the different NFL cities there. We saw Telly Savalas every day because he lived in the hotel. TWA was a sponsor of the contest so the flight went through St. Louis between DFW & LAX each way...
 
Re: KLUV screwed me out of something in 1997

> Chuck Brinkman
> was behind it all and I found out later he didn't want me to
> win the item!

What was it, a chin-supporting device? A pot of Yankee stew? A piece of Karen Carpenter's casket? One of those foam booster seat thingies for the toilet? C'mon, Chuck NEVER got to raid the prize closet for himself.
 
Sandy Taylor, et al

The drawing was actually at Friendly Chevrolet, with Ron in a tux and Ken in a blindfold, suspended from a cherry picker over entries dumped on the floor. The cement mixer was a used to give away a new townhouse from Dondi Condominiums. For the Auto Show, we couldn't get Ken down in the cement vessel from a cherry picker without getting him sliced to ribbons. I know that because I ran the board the day that edition of the KVIL Auto Show concluded, and was assigned the primary task of making sure we got the winner on tape when the winner's call came in.

What I didn't realize was that I'd left the studio tape-recorder dedicated to the phones on "safe" after playing the grand-prize drawing intro. Sandy called in, I rolled to get her "I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!", talked with her a few minutes, hung up and hit stop - very pleased with myself. And I didn't get diddly-do on tape.

I didn't realize my mistake until Ron came back from Friendly to cut the winner promo. I'll never forget the moment when we realized what I'd done. He rolled his head several times like Agent Smith from The Matrix, let out the longest exhale I've ever heard, and followed it with one intense, elongated word.

"Fine."

What kept him from killing me, I'll never know. Maybe it was the thought of the time that Cat Simon gave away a 25th Anniversary Nissan 280-Z to the wrong person. KVIL was forced to give away a second car, which I believe the dealer picked up. Everyone was sure flush in those days.

Sandy's first selection was a red Corvette. Leases were rare in those days, but it wasn't a pure lease anyway. What we did was put a sum of money in an account, and the interest it kicked out paid for the cars. Last I heard, she was in ill health...and she wasn't exactly a spring chicken when she won that contest. Now that my curiousity is engaged, I'll find out if she's still around and if that prize is still working.

Chapman always said the only reason anyone does a contest is to get a winner promo out of it. I've never understood why some stations make winning a difficult proposition, although I certainly believe some do or did - and certain people in particular. The 60 day rule is a good one if you can't win lesser, but can win greater prizes. Otherwise a listener might miss a car because they got movie tickets. That's idiotic and self-defeating.

Never called on a contest myself, although I once got to speak with Elston Brooks on Z-97's "Sidetracks". I always thought that was pretty cool for a 16-year-old. On the other hand, I did use the phone in my room to call a few unsuspecting folks around 2am - posing as Stone Cannon from KFM, to tell them they'd won a free night's sleep.

They didn't think it was funny, although me and my buddies sure did.

Jody



> I used to win a ton of albums from am stations; many of
> which I still have. The first thing I ever won was a
> Carpenters Album from Larry Shannon at the old KXOL radio -
> my mom complained the whole time because she had to drive me
> to the station to get it - and she had to pay a toll on the
> turnpike...
>
> I actually have a photo of me picking up an album at the
> radio station KFJZ...it's on Larry Shannon's KFJZ reunion
> site.
>
> http://www.kfjzreunion.com/loririchman.htm
>
 
Re: DFW RADIO FORUM...NEW SITE!!

> > I figure once Infinity sees the first couple of books with
>
> > "Lite FM" and "Gene and Julie" firmly in place, the Fire
> > Sale sign will go up on the station door immediately.
>
> "Infinity" doesn't exist any more--it was changed months ago
> in the reorg to CBS Radio. Also, lite fm was up in the most
> recent trend too and is back in the top 10.
>

"Infinity" is still the most familiar term for, um, whatever it is that goes on over there. I'm well aware of the CBS reorganization, and I think the rest of us are as well. And "up" in what categories? Please specify, as we seem to have ongoing problems here with folks quoting the 21-24 male mullet-wearing, pickup truck-driving demo when trying to skew numbers to make, for example, a certain local radio talk host's numbers look better.

BUT...ON A LARGER SCALE NOW: Dude, could you make any quieter an announcement of your new site? Or do you not want wannabe's and complainers and finger-pointers like some of us to pollute it (yet, anyway?)

But you've taken ALL the fun out of everything with this one statement on your site: "You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."

Good luck! Seriously. But it's going to be a fulltime job if you're going to delete all the slam-fests as they happen. If you've been here anytime at all, you know that these boards don't primarly attract the currently-employed-in-the-industry-and-happy-to-be-here-and-making-lots-of-great-money crowd.
 
Re: KLUV screwed me out of something in 1997

> Chuck Brinkman was behind it all and I found out later he didn't want me to
> win the item!

Yeah, those dang DJs lay awake at night and try to figure out ways to keep you from winning prizes!!!
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Re: Sandy Taylor, et al

Thanks for setting the record straight. See how memories become a little foggy and faulty over time? I would have laid money on Late Chevrolet being the dealer. And I was in SERIOUS K-vil overload then (1984-86,) since a co-worker had it on the station relentlessly, 12 hours a day at work. She owned the stereo, needless to say, and it pumped out over the entire office. And she had her prize catalog, and anything else KVIL-related. I remember calling that idiot Tom Dooley on the request line one day to have him repeat the prize catalog number, as my friend had missed it. He screamed at me, "LISTEN TO THE RADIO!!!" and slammed down the phone on me. And wonder why he got fired just a few months later.

> The drawing was actually at Friendly Chevrolet, with Ron in
> a tux and Ken in a blindfold, suspended from a cherry picker
> over entries dumped on the floor. The cement mixer was a
> used to give away a new townhouse from Dondi Condominiums.
> For the Auto Show, we couldn't get Ken down in the cement
> vessel from a cherry picker without getting him sliced to
> ribbons. I know that because I ran the board the day that
> edition of the KVIL Auto Show concluded, and was assigned
> the primary task of making sure we got the winner on tape
> when the winner's call came in.
>
> What I didn't realize was that I'd left the studio
> tape-recorder dedicated to the phones on "safe" after
> playing the grand-prize drawing intro. Sandy called in, I
> rolled to get her "I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!", talked with her a
> few minutes, hung up and hit stop - very pleased with
> myself. And I didn't get diddly-do on tape.
>
> I didn't realize my mistake until Ron came back from
> Friendly to cut the winner promo. I'll never forget the
> moment when we realized what I'd done. He rolled his head
> several times like Agent Smith from The Matrix, let out the
> longest exhale I've ever heard, and followed it with one
> intense, elongated word.
>
> "Fine."
>
> What kept him from killing me, I'll never know. Maybe it was
> the thought of the time that Cat Simon gave away a 25th
> Anniversary Nissan 280-Z to the wrong person. KVIL was
> forced to give away a second car, which I believe the dealer
> picked up. Everyone was sure flush in those days.
>
> Sandy's first selection was a red Corvette. Leases were rare
> in those days, but it wasn't a pure lease anyway. What we
> did was put a sum of money in an account, and the interest
> it kicked out paid for the cars. Last I heard, she was in
> ill health...and she wasn't exactly a spring chicken when
> she won that contest. Now that my curiousity is engaged,
> I'll find out if she's still around and if that prize is
> still working.
>
> Chapman always said the only reason anyone does a contest is
> to get a winner promo out of it. I've never understood why
> some stations make winning a difficult proposition, although
> I certainly believe some do or did - and certain people in
> particular. The 60 day rule is a good one if you can't win
> lesser, but can win greater prizes. Otherwise a listener
> might miss a car because they got movie tickets. That's
> idiotic and self-defeating.
>
> Never called on a contest myself, although I once got to
> speak with Elston Brooks on Z-97's "Sidetracks". I always
> thought that was pretty cool for a 16-year-old. On the other
> hand, I did use the phone in my room to call a few
> unsuspecting folks around 2am - posing as Stone Cannon from
> KFM, to tell them they'd won a free night's sleep.
>
> They didn't think it was funny, although me and my buddies
> sure did.
>
> Jody
>
>
>
> > I used to win a ton of albums from am stations; many of
> > which I still have. The first thing I ever won was a
> > Carpenters Album from Larry Shannon at the old KXOL radio
> -
> > my mom complained the whole time because she had to drive
> me
> > to the station to get it - and she had to pay a toll on
> the
> > turnpike...
> >
> > I actually have a photo of me picking up an album at the
> > radio station KFJZ...it's on Larry Shannon's KFJZ reunion
> > site.
> >
> > http://www.kfjzreunion.com/loririchman.htm
> >
>
 
Thanks Jody...

for refreshing my memory about the contest. I just remember a cement mixer at some prize contest. So many promotions; so little memory.

The prize catalog, I remember that. I spoke to Ron himself at a remote and he told a group of us how they had to change the rules because so many people had won at the post office the first time around; so many people didn't get their prize catalog because clerks at the PO kept them for themselves; then they said they found them in a dumpster. I think there were like 9 winners that all worked for the post office. He expressed his frustration and although they fixed the rules for the next time around; at the time I thought it was pretty funny. Sort of like my sister who went on the Newlywed Game in the 70's - she and her husband were going to pick the answer closest to the end of the alphabet - however they rephrased the questions and they ended up getting parting gifts - Tide Detergent for a whole year!
 
Re: DFW RADIO FORUM...NEW SITE!!

> "Infinity" is still the most familiar term for, um, whatever
> it is that goes on over there. I'm well aware of the CBS
> reorganization, and I think the rest of us are as well.

If you are as knowledgable as you claim, you should at least call them by their proper name. Show some respect. There are some good people up there, and bad, as with everything...

> And "up" in what categories? Please specify, as we seem to have
> ongoing problems here with folks quoting the 21-24 male
> mullet-wearing, pickup truck-driving demo when trying to
> skew numbers to make, for example, a certain local radio
> talk host's numbers look better.

I believe I saw something here on not posting Arbs, so I won't disclose actual numbers, but I was specifically speaking of the 12+, of which I have access to. I do not, however, have access to Maximiser to run the 21-24 male mullet-wearing, pickup truck-driving demo, but you can bet that particular one would be pretty low. ;-)

> BUT...ON A LARGER SCALE NOW: Dude, could you make any
> quieter an announcement of your new site? Or do you not
> want wannabe's and complainers and finger-pointers like some
> of us to pollute it (yet, anyway?)

I thought the insertion was pretty subtle... UNTIL YOU BLEW IT! ;-)

I certainly am not in the habit of going onto other sites and promoting my own, which is why I went with the small link in the sig. It certainly was not my intention to draw undue attention to it...

> Good luck! Seriously. But it's going to be a fulltime job
> if you're going to delete all the slam-fests as they happen.

Thanks, and by the way, the rules here forbid "Messages containing personal attacks, slanderous material, and similar nonsense," not all that different. The rules you quoted above are the standard ones that came with the forum software. I'm certainly not planning on editing it out just to encourage that sort of thing.

Besides, I think you'd be surprised... Where adults are involved, you can avoid all those nasty things very easily. Opinions are fine and definitely welcome, as long as they are backed up with experiences and facts, not baseless, from a lot of sour grapes I've seen lately...

I also run some gaming forums at fioch.org, the crowd there skews to college-age kids and lower, and we don't ever have any issues like those above.

I'd love to have, to semi-quote our local sports guys, some HROs (Hot Radio Opinions). You would definitely be welcome, and I think there is room for another place to chat things up.
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Re: DFW RADIO FORUM...NEW SITE!!

> If you are as knowledgable as you claim, you should at least
> call them by their proper name. Show some respect. There
> are some good people up there, and bad, as with
> everything...

I'm with you, I have a couple of friends there, and one friend that got let go recently (Tempie,) and I have a pretty good feel for the attitude there and have a little insight to what's going on. If one is a PT'er with no aspirations to go into management or to become a superstar, your job's pretty secure. That place has rightfully earned most or all of the knocks it gets on this board, and I'm sorry that it's the workers and not management that pay the price. You can have all the faith in the world in the product there, and do the best job you can, but if management undermines what talent is doing, you'll never win. The stockholders come first. Then management. The actual worker that make it all happen falls somewhere WAY down the priority list, if at all.

Hey, if KVIL is legitimately doing better, so be it. But a lot of us yearn for the good ol' days when listening to KVIL was listening to good radio in its purest form...complete with grand contests, top personalities, etc. These days, your company can't seem to dump the good talent and trim the budget fast enough.

As for your site, that's the magic of the web, PROMOTE-PROMOTE-PROMOTE!! Several of us have pondered the idea of starting another board that would allow more, um, free thinking. There was once a time here where our posts were monitored and deleted incessantly, and even the board would be shut down for several days to let everyone "cool off." We've since grown up. HA.

And thanks for the invite to your board. I'll certainly visit it and will likely post from time to time, but far as anything resembling a debate on hot topics, I'd better lay low. I do have one of those decent radio jobs with pretty decent pay, and I'm decently happy with it. My postings and ramblings are probably best served under a guise.
 
Re: DFW RADIO FORUM...NEW SITE!!

> I'm with you, I have a couple of friends there, and one
> friend that got let go recently (Tempie,) and I have a
> pretty good feel for the attitude there and have a little
> insight to what's going on.

The Tempie thing is very recent, so I can certainly understand why you'd still have strong feelings on that. It's disappointing to me as well and I don't understand that particular move. I never met her but I do hang with someone who works closely with her and saw how it bothered him. It's just sad when bad things happen to good people.

> Hey, if KVIL is legitimately doing better, so be it. But a
> lot of us yearn for the good ol' days when listening to KVIL
> was listening to good radio in its purest form...complete
> with grand contests, top personalities, etc.

I agree, but radio hasn't been that much fun for 10 or 15 years. Everything's changed.

> As for your site, that's the magic of the web,
> PROMOTE-PROMOTE-PROMOTE!! Several of us have pondered the
> idea of starting another board that would allow more, um,
> free thinking. There was once a time here where our posts
> were monitored and deleted incessantly, and even the board
> would be shut down for several days to let everyone "cool
> off." We've since grown up. HA.

The text in the reg agreement is the official line, to protect the admins and mods if there is a future issue. I'm confident there won't have to be many, if any, deletions or shutdowns. We just need some peeps to get some content rolling. If not, I'll just keep talkin' to myself. ;-)
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Fact vs. Opinion: here we go again

> Opinions are fine and definitely welcome, as long as they
> are backed up with experiences and facts, not baseless, from
> a lot of sour grapes I've seen lately...

Huh?

Opinions are just that

Opinions cannot be “backed up with experiences and facts”

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

Example:

In my opinion, I think what you really meant to say, is that some people around here try to pass off opinions as facts.

Fact: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

Example: Using the 12+ numbers to bolster your claim that “Lite 103.7 FM” is "doing better"and "back in the Top 10 in the 12+ numbers" is meaningless. Advertisers buy airtime for specific demographics they are trying to attract, specifically the 25 to 54 year old adults. They don’t usually give a (BLEEP) for the people under 25 or over 54.
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Re: Fact vs. Opinion: here we go again

Informed opinions are arrived at after consideration. Uninformed opinions are based on rumor and innuendo, often some preconceived notions that you had before you had started to form an opinion. Often negative (because they are a lot more fun to argue about than positive), these are the beliefs that are difficult to change even when presented with perceptions and positive experiences from others.

The 12+ is indeed a broad gauge of how a station is doing and in many ways meaningless. However, I do have personal knowledge of some other trends, ones that advertisers care about, like women 35+, that have been improving as well.
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Re: DFW RADIO FORUM...NEW SITE!!

> > If you are as knowledgable as you claim, you should at
> least
> > call them by their proper name. Show some respect. There
>
> > are some good people up there, and bad, as with
> > everything...
>
> I'm with you, I have a couple of friends there, and one
> friend that got let go recently (Tempie,) and I have a
> pretty good feel for the attitude there and have a little
> insight to what's going on. If one is a PT'er with no
> aspirations to go into management or to become a superstar,
> your job's pretty secure. That place has rightfully earned
> most or all of the knocks it gets on this board, and I'm
> sorry that it's the workers and not management that pay the
> price. You can have all the faith in the world in the
> product there, and do the best job you can, but if
> management undermines what talent is doing, you'll never
> win. The stockholders come first. Then management. The
> actual worker that make it all happen falls somewhere WAY
> down the priority list, if at all.
>
> Hey, if KVIL is legitimately doing better, so be it. But a
> lot of us yearn for the good ol' days when listening to KVIL
> was listening to good radio in its purest form...complete
> with grand contests, top personalities, etc. These days,
> your company can't seem to dump the good talent and trim the
> budget fast enough.
>
> As for your site, that's the magic of the web,
> PROMOTE-PROMOTE-PROMOTE!! Several of us have pondered the
> idea of starting another board that would allow more, um,
> free thinking. There was once a time here where our posts
> were monitored and deleted incessantly, and even the board
> would be shut down for several days to let everyone "cool
> off." We've since grown up. HA.
>
> And thanks for the invite to your board. I'll certainly
> visit it and will likely post from time to time, but far as
> anything resembling a debate on hot topics, I'd better lay
> low. I do have one of those decent radio jobs with pretty
> decent pay, and I'm decently happy with it. My postings and
> ramblings are probably best served under a guise.
>
Alice is right on target. Talent makes the product. The product then is sold by AE's. Not the other way around. Cutting Tempie,Ken,and others who have been around for along while with justified paychecks is pretty naive on the company's part. They still have talent, and if you didn't know them,you would never have known their age with their POLISHED performance on the air. It seems as though CBS borrows from Clear Channel in showing a profit by cutting not developing or retaining GOOD SOLID TALENT, not liner readers. CC though loves to cut at Christmas time andpost a year end profit. Nothing like good leadership and CBS hasn't displayed any of it as yet. CC in Dallas "sheepishly" realized it has made a mistake and reinstuted Jon Dillion and Cindy Scull.As long as Kurt is around CBS expect more of the same old short sightedness.
 
The best thing I (and my wife) ever won was:

Two tickets to Garbage at the Bronco Bowl
Two tickets to Depeche Mode at Reunion
T-shirt
$100

... and all of that was one prize pack. I think Jagger and the crew were either throwing stuff away, or they were really impressed with the "Godzilla" thing...

... you had to be there...

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> From Rock-95 Tulsa I won a limo trip with dinner and
> backstage meeting with the Commodores before their Tulsa
> concert, about 1977. That brings back many memories. The
> Commodores were huge then (WITH Lionel). I was probably 15.
> The station asked me to kinda watch over the other winner
> and his date, because I was older!
>
> I was a contest pig as a kid and won dozens of call-in
> contests from Tulsa's KELI (who I later worked for years
> later).
>
>
First win was a Kansas album from 97.5 KMOD in Tulsa in about '77 or '78. It was used of course, but I didn't care. Always loved getting to go up to the KELI studios during the state fair in Tulsa and looking in the windows. That was greatness in the day.
 
>
> Never won anything on the air.....just the occaisonal
> t-shirt or some other random crap from whatever remote I
> happened to stumble upon on the streets.
>
From Bo and Jim the first trip through KZPS I won a 12 pack of coke, two Texas Rangers t-shirts and 2 tickets to a Ranger game, all together. The seats were god awful, in the far left field corner of the lower deck, under the upper deck - everytime a Ranger hit a home run and the fireworks went off the smoke would pour in through the opening behind us. Something about winning though, regardless of the prize...
 
Re: KLUV screwed me out of something in 1997

> Well it was Chuck Brinkman and he did screw me out of a
> prize.
>

I believe you. I wasn't trying to make light of things (much, anyway,) just suggesting a list of things that Chuckie would likely keep for himself instead of giving away.
 
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