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With the amount of older radio lovers in the Tampa Bay area, why no oldies stati

Tanner..there are so many different products that the 45-65 demo would love to hear more about including reverse mortgages..RV resorts..good restaurants..downsize home options..hardware and home improvement..home spas..windows, and sunrooms..group vacation deals..cigar stores..golf packages..etc etc.

Not all older people are retired..many are still working and will do so until they drop. Also not as many older demos have huge pensions or get dividends..some of us had to keep the damn lights on, and keep pluggin away..and still are.

An entertaining, and compelling radio outlet that super served this loyal audience would not only work, but actually MAKE a profit. An excellent example I heard of recently in Alabama had listeners act as sales people. The station gave away sales kits, and printed business cards for any listener who wanted to "help spread the good word about our station". If they went to a restaurant they liked, they were encouraged to ask for the manager, and offer a compliment to the staff..then sign them up for a small advertising package on the station. They literally had a legion of folks..numbering over 150..combing the streets and offering introductory, first time advertiser packages to the small businesses in town. Think of it! A HUGE staff of sales people that not only liked the music and the format, but wanted to sell for it? Quite a difference from the cubicle cloistered youngsters who hate the station and are scared to even try to sell it. That's why these stations fail. The young sales staff wants to sell the sexy CHR station, or the Country station or even the news talk outlet before they will ever lower themselves to selling "that fogey station" and..You know what? now you have to wait to get on the air there at that Alabama station..and every 6 months the owners throw a party for all the "station associates" who make a very small commission..like 15 bucks on a 100 dollar package...and the people LOVE it...they get new listeners, talk to businesses, and overall feel productive about thier part in keeping the station going. It's amazing.
 
Re: With the amount of older radio lovers in the Tampa Bay area, why no oldies s

Morgan Wick said:
Ferreri said:
sjs1959 said:
Since the demo is 45+, doesn't that make it almost impossible to sell to advertisers?

Never really understood why buyers shy from upper demos. Once a person reaches 45 they don't buy anything?
Coming in from the TV board, yes, people over 45 do buy stuff, but long story short, they already know what they're going to buy. Young people, so the conventional wisdom goes, have fewer brand loyalties and are more influenced by advertising.

Yeah, that's the short conventional wisdom answer. We ran into that agist attitude all the time at the old WPLP back in the 80's. Agencies wouldn't touch us because we skewed old. A quick look at a Tapscan showed that the old people who listened to us had by far the most money. Our GM Mark Brewer pointed out that those old fogies were the ones writing checks for Cadillacs while the hot younger demos were the ones hoping to get a high interest loan on an Escort. I can agree that you might not persuade one of those old fogies to switch from a Cadillac to a BMW, but I figure if I was a Cadillac dealer and that was my audience I wouldn't sit on my duff. I'd want to tell people why they wanted to buy a Cadillac from ME instead of Jeff Laurence's Lease and Flease....(j/k Jeff).

Businesses turning their back on a potentially lucrative market because of their age just goes to show that some of the people making decisions way up the corporate ladder aren't nearly as smart as they think they are.
 
Five Star's mention of WPLP leads me to wonder why 570 couldn;t be just the station to do this..Good signal..(wasted signal) and great dial position "Spirit of 57..Radio with FINS"

Fun to listen to..entertaining, and sometimes not really over-polished..just interesting predictably-unpredictable radio with a playlist of TESTED songs..not just a few, but thousands of them with a good chance that a favorite song you hadn't heard in a long time, just "might" be on next.

With the advent of XM and Sirius now merging..here we go with a rapidly rotting set of predictable formats poised to bore subscribers numb as they dutifully write another check for some weak entertainment. A locally programmed station with passionate staff memebers has GOT to be a better idea..especially when it's free..and INVOLVES the listeners as actual associates of the station..MAKE them interested again, or lose them all in a sea of sameness.

Look at ALL of the television spots that incessantly use oldies as a backdrop..It's not the music that is shutting the listeners off it's the packaging. Wrap it in an attractive marketing approach and watch it work. A fully staffed radio station is no where near as expensive as a crumbling one with no hope of achieving anything more than sucking up electricity, and wasting precious real estate.
 
Jeff Laurence said:
Five Star's mention of WPLP leads me to wonder why 570 couldn;t be just the station to do this..Good signal..(wasted signal) and great dial position "Spirit of 57..Radio with FINS"

Fun to listen to..entertaining, and sometimes not really over-polished..just interesting predictably-unpredictable radio with a playlist of TESTED songs..not just a few, but thousands of them with a good chance that a favorite song you hadn't heard in a long time, just "might" be on next.

With the advent of XM and Sirius now merging..here we go with a rapidly rotting set of predictable formats poised to bore subscribers numb as they dutifully write another check for some weak entertainment. A locally programmed station with passionate staff memebers has GOT to be a better idea..especially when it's free..and INVOLVES the listeners as actual associates of the station..MAKE them interested again, or lose them all in a sea of sameness.

Look at ALL of the television spots that incessantly use oldies as a backdrop..It's not the music that is shutting the listeners off it's the packaging. Wrap it in an attractive marketing approach and watch it work. A fully staffed radio station is no where near as expensive as a crumbling one with no hope of achieving anything more than sucking up electricity, and wasting precious real estate.

No, no Jeff you don't understand! Managers are convinced that if they could just fire everybody they could make some real money! As much as I admire Randy Michaels he helped foster that attitude and he's doing it at the Tribune Corp. I make no claim to special knowledge, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people are gone from the CC HQ on Friday (The day after CC goes private) from a combination of some long time CC execs taking the money and run when their shares vest and from the sharks at Bain/Lee giving out copies of the home game. If I'm wrong, good! But think the stage is set for more cuts and some of them could be surprising.
 
Okay...let me throw a station at you I happen to know of.

It's not oldies. It's not any "cookie cutter" format at all.

The station is WWHP, Farmer City, Illinois. "The Whip".

They offer Americana. A combination of twangy country, rhythm and blues.

The jocks? They're mostly awful. Unpolished. Couldn't read a liner card if you gave it to them.

Oh...did I mention this little peashooter outside Champaign pulls a 3 to 3 1/2 share of the market and is, certainly a "cult favorite" in the bars and clubs in the area?

Check them out...they stream on the web.
 
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