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WJJJ 107.1 changes formats

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toddjammin

Per the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, WJJJ 107.1 will change its format to Sam 107.1. Another JACK FM type of format with the call letters WGSM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06028/645713.stm<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by toddjammin on 01/28/06 11:45 PM.</FONT></P>
 
SAM, Hmmmmmm does that stand for "Silly Amature Music" I bet Bob is shaking in his shoes

but seriously, I'm suprised it took this long to get a copy-cat, since it looks like Star is getting ready to go nova it won't be long before they flip to Jack
 
> SAM, Hmmmmmm does that stand for "Silly Amature Music" I bet
> Bob is shaking in his shoes
>
> but seriously, I'm suprised it took this long to get a
> copy-cat, since it looks like Star is getting ready to go
> nova it won't be long before they flip to Jack

I agree Bob has got to be nervous with Sam coming. The only think is that 107.1's signal isn't as good as Bob's
>
For some reason, I don't think Star will go Jack. If anything, I think it may go chr/pop, and then again, maybe they will stay put. Pittsburgh Radio has been so unpredictable lately.

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Sam, Jack, Bob -- what's the difference?

I'm sure there are some detail differences between those three, differences that only hard-core radio professionals can recognize. But are there any real differences between those three formats that the average listener tuning his radio could actually recognize?

And, if there is a real demand from listeners for a train-wreck hodge-podge of every kind of music under the sun, wouldn't three stations all playing pretty much the same kludge of music result in splitting the market for such a sonic gumbo into three small, low-rated portions?

> > SAM, Hmmmmmm does that stand for "Silly Amature Music" I
> bet
> > Bob is shaking in his shoes
> >
> > but seriously, I'm suprised it took this long to get a
> > copy-cat, since it looks like Star is getting ready to go
> > nova it won't be long before they flip to Jack
>
> I agree Bob has got to be nervous with Sam coming. The only
> think is that 107.1's signal isn't as good as Bob's
> >
> For some reason, I don't think Star will go Jack. If
> anything, I think it may go chr/pop, and then again, maybe
> they will stay put. Pittsburgh Radio has been so
> unpredictable lately.
>
> .
>
 
Re: Sam, Jack, Bob -- what's the difference?

> I'm sure there are some detail differences between those
> three, differences that only hard-core radio professionals
> can recognize. But are there any real differences between
> those three formats that the average listener tuning his
> radio could actually recognize?

Yes--Bob and Star are easily distinguishable: Star's music is all 90s and newer. Bob's isn't--it's 60s to now.
 
Re: Sam, Jack, Bob -- what's the difference?

> > I'm sure there are some detail differences between those
> > three, differences that only hard-core radio professionals
>
> > can recognize. But are there any real differences between
> > those three formats that the average listener tuning his
> > radio could actually recognize?
>
> Yes--Bob and Star are easily distinguishable: Star's music
> is all 90s and newer. Bob's isn't--it's 60s to now.

Where does Star fit into the Sam, Jack, and Bob mix? Is Star a fourth hodge-podge format?

And to listeners in their 20's, what's the difference if a song is from the 60's, the 70's, or the 80's? It's all old stuff from before their time? Young listeners don't know what decades stuff from before they were around was recorded in, and old listeners like me usually can't remember when any given song came out, so what's the big deal about what decade a song came from?
 
Re: Sam, Jack, Bob -- what's the difference?

> > Yes--Bob and Star are easily distinguishable: Star's music
>
> > is all 90s and newer. Bob's isn't--it's 60s to now.
>
> Where does Star fit into the Sam, Jack, and Bob mix? Is Star
> a fourth hodge-podge format?

No, Star is a Hot AC--that is, mostly upbeat, newer adult contemporary music (think, non-current top 40 pop).

> And to listeners in their 20's, what's the difference if a
> song is from the 60's, the 70's, or the 80's?
> It's all old
> stuff from before their time? Young listeners don't know
> what decades stuff from before they were around was recorded
> in, and old listeners like me usually can't remember when
> any given song came out, so what's the big deal about what
> decade a song came from?

Come on, you're being intentionally obtuse again and it's annoying.

Most young listeners don't like the older stuff. That's why 20-somethings don't listen to oldies, and why oldies isn't marketed to them. They DO listen to WAMO, Kiss, Star, The X, K-Rock, and WDVE. Do ANY of them define their music by decade? No. It's pop/hip-hop, pop, alternative, and rock.

30-somthings don't listen to oldies, so it's not marketed to them. 30-somethings listen to later 80s stuff and some 90s stuff--so that's why it's marketed to them. But they also listen to newer music. But, surprise to you I'm sure, people like to listen to songs that they have always listened to. Many of those are from the past, when they grew up--shockingly, the 80s!

Some 40-somethings listen to 70s and early 80s stuff, so oldies playlists are changing to add some of that stuff.

But it's NEVER been broken down into "decades"--it's genres. Oldies, for the longest time, happened to be 50s, 60s and 70s. But it wasn't "we play 50s music"--it was that they played oldies. It was the LISTENERS THEMSELVES who decided that 3WS, for example, would be the 50s station.

Which refutes totally your argument.

Thanks for playing. You are awarded no points. But here's a consolatiuon prize....pppphhhhhhttttt.
 
Re: Sam, Jack, Bob -- what's the difference?

> But it's NEVER been broken down into "decades"--it's genres.
> Oldies, for the longest time, happened to be 50s, 60s and
> 70s. But it wasn't "we play 50s music"--it was that they
> played oldies. It was the LISTENERS THEMSELVES who decided
> that 3WS, for example, would be the 50s station.

Which is what I've been saying for a long time. Listeners like the SOUND of certain songs, not the release dates of them. So, a programmer who worries about what the music SOUNDS like stands a better chance of success than a programmer who only looks at release dates on recordings.

None of which answers the burning question, what's the difference between Sam, Jack, and Bob?
 
Re: Sam, Jack, Bob -- what's the difference?

>

107.1 is a Westmoreland County only signal for the most part. I understood simulcasting WAMO on it before the tower move to Wexford was complete because they had little coverage to the east. However, as a standalone, putting urban AC on it made NO sense, because it couldn't be heard in the city, where it could be sold.

Smooth jazz probably would have done OK. This is simply an effort to have something that can be sold within the station's actual coverage area. Its ratings will likely always be preceded by a decimal point.

Star was #6 25-54 last book. Their 12+ numbers are unspectaculer because that 25-54 core is pretty much their whole audience ("no waste", in current sales vernacular). I think the hole for them is to go more current and can the 70s and 80s stuff. Most CBS Hot ACs like Q102 in Cincinnati and Q104 in Cleveland position themselves as "90s and Now" and sound really good, almost an adult CHR.

Station #5 25-54 was K-Rock. Without howard those 25-54's are likely to go elsewhere unles Diamond Dave pulls off a big surprise, so Star might also benefit from some of that. But there's no reason whatsoever for them to react to a format change on a little rimshot signal like 107.1.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
 
SAM's Problem

As posted earlier the problem with SAM will be it's signal. I live in Eastern Ohio and can't get it. But what's worse when we go shopping at Robinson I've tried to dial in 107.1 and the signal get's kicked around by a country station. How can this station even get into the game if no one can hear it in the heavily polulated Robinson-Moon Airport area?

Time will tell!

Now here's the next question that is not answered in the PG article,(bonus points will be awarded for an accurate answer) What happens to 860? will the Magic format continue or will it simulcast 106.7 again ?<P ID="signature">______________
Here's my musical question, Since "The Big Game" is being played in the Motor City, Howz come J.Geils ain't playing at half time with the Stones?"</P>
 
That's great, but what's the difference?

That's an excellent and accurate answer to the question "What's the difference between those three stations". But that's not what I asked.

Regardless of which station is using one of the three formats identified with a man's first name, what is the difference between the Sam, Jack, and Bob formats? How does someone who has tuned into a station tell if he's listening to a Sam, Jack, or Bob station other than from the name in the jingles?

> >
>
> 107.1 is a Westmoreland County only signal for the most
> part. I understood simulcasting WAMO on it before the tower
> move to Wexford was complete because they had little
> coverage to the east. However, as a standalone, putting
> urban AC on it made NO sense, because it couldn't be heard
> in the city, where it could be sold.
>
> Smooth jazz probably would have done OK. This is simply an
> effort to have something that can be sold within the
> station's actual coverage area. Its ratings will likely
> always be preceded by a decimal point.
>
> Star was #6 25-54 last book. Their 12+ numbers are
> unspectaculer because that 25-54 core is pretty much their
> whole audience ("no waste", in current sales vernacular). I
> think the hole for them is to go more current and can the
> 70s and 80s stuff. Most CBS Hot ACs like Q102 in Cincinnati
> and Q104 in Cleveland position themselves as "90s and Now"
> and sound really good, almost an adult CHR.
>
> Station #5 25-54 was K-Rock. Without howard those 25-54's
> are likely to go elsewhere unles Diamond Dave pulls off a
> big surprise, so Star might also benefit from some of that.
> But there's no reason whatsoever for them to react to a
> format change on a little rimshot signal like 107.1.
>
 
Re: That's great, but what's the difference?

> That's an excellent and accurate answer to the question
> "What's the difference between those three stations". But
> that's not what I asked.
>
> Regardless of which station is using one of the three
> formats identified with a man's first name, what is the
> difference between the Sam, Jack, and Bob formats? How does
> someone who has tuned into a station tell if he's listening
> to a Sam, Jack, or Bob station other than from the name in
> the jingles?
>
Basically to answer your question Radio Realist, Sam, Bob and Jack are all the same formats just with different names. They all use ramdom playlists with slightly different jingles.
> > >
> >
> > 107.1 is a Westmoreland County only signal for the most
> > part. I understood simulcasting WAMO on it before the
> tower
> > move to Wexford was complete because they had little
> > coverage to the east. However, as a standalone, putting
> > urban AC on it made NO sense, because it couldn't be heard
>

Basically to answer your question Radio Realist, Sam, Bob and Jack are all the same formats just with different names. They all use ramdom playlists with slightly different jingles.
> > in the city, where it could be sold.
> >
> > Smooth jazz probably would have done OK. This is simply an
>
> > effort to have something that can be sold within the
> > station's actual coverage area. Its ratings will likely
> > always be preceded by a decimal point.
> >
> > Star was #6 25-54 last book. Their 12+ numbers are
> > unspectaculer because that 25-54 core is pretty much their
>
> > whole audience ("no waste", in current sales vernacular).
> I
> > think the hole for them is to go more current and can the
> > 70s and 80s stuff. Most CBS Hot ACs like Q102 in
> Cincinnati
> > and Q104 in Cleveland position themselves as "90s and Now"
>
> > and sound really good, almost an adult CHR.
> >
> > Station #5 25-54 was K-Rock. Without howard those 25-54's
> > are likely to go elsewhere unles Diamond Dave pulls off a
> > big surprise, so Star might also benefit from some of
> that.
> > But there's no reason whatsoever for them to react to a
> > format change on a little rimshot signal like 107.1.
> >
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by toddjammin on 01/29/06 04:17 PM.</FONT></P>
 
SAM will be fine really Westmoreland is a great county

It does not matter if you can't get sam in robinson. They will serve westmoreland county a wonderful vibriant community with $$$$$$. If you could receive the signal closer to pitsburgh. They would clash with 106.7's signal. That's why the stick was moved way past latrobe.

> As posted earlier the problem with SAM will be it's signal.
> I live in Eastern Ohio and can't get it. But what's worse
> when we go shopping at Robinson I've tried to dial in 107.1
> and the signal get's kicked around by a country station. How
> can this station even get into the game if no one can hear
> it in the heavily polulated Robinson-Moon Airport area?
>
> Time will tell!
>
> Now here's the next question that is not answered in the PG
> article,(bonus points will be awarded for an accurate
> answer) What happens to 860? will the Magic format continue
> or will it simulcast 106.7 again ?
>
 
Re: SAM will be fine really Westmoreland is a great county

> It does not matter if you can't get sam in robinson. They
> will serve westmoreland county a wonderful vibriant
> community with $$$$$$. If you could receive the signal
> closer to pitsburgh. They would clash with 106.7's signal.
> That's why the stick was moved way past latrobe.

Point well made, as long as their is mucho $$'s go fo it, I wish them well, I just wish I could hear it in my neck of the woods!<P ID="signature">______________
Here's my musical question, Since "The Big Game" is being played in the Motor City, Howz come J.Geils ain't playing at half time with the Stones?"</P>
 
Re: SAM will be fine really Westmoreland is a great county

> > It does not matter if you can't get sam in robinson. They
>
> > will serve westmoreland county a wonderful vibriant
> > community with $$$$$$. If you could receive the signal
> > closer to pitsburgh. They would clash with 106.7's signal.
>
> > That's why the stick was moved way past latrobe.
>
> Point well made, as long as their is mucho $$'s go fo it, I
> wish them well, I just wish I could hear it in my neck of
> the woods!
>
I live in Monroeville and sometimes I could pick up 107.1's signal in my car when driving around in Monroeville but not in my house. Does anyone know when this format will take place because last night I still heard magic 107.1?
 
SAM, Greensburg, Satellite-Fed Format and You

> Point well made, as long as their is mucho $$'s go fo it, I
> wish them well, I just wish I could hear it in my neck of
> the woods!

Most folks here apparently didn't read the entire article, which states that the new WGSM "Sam 107.1" will move back to Greensburg.

And by its name, one assumes it'll be running Westwood One's satellite-fed version of the format by that name.

-OA <P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: That's great, but what's the difference?

> That's an excellent and accurate answer to the question
> "What's the difference between those three stations". But
> that's not what I asked.
>
> Regardless of which station is using one of the three
> formats identified with a man's first name, what is the
> difference between the Sam, Jack, and Bob formats? How does
> someone who has tuned into a station tell if he's listening
> to a Sam, Jack, or Bob station other than from the name in
> the jingles?
>

I don't really know, and frankly I'm not sure that it matters. If it does, they're not getting their respective messages out. I think it's all just very slight variations on the "we play everything" theme, and that generically anything that's a one-word male surname format wil denote that genre. "Jack" is copyrighted and involves licensing fees, otherwise likely everyone would use it.

Now I can tell you that a while back I heard a "Ted" format in Columbus, and it was quite different... essentially a soft AC with a couple of out-of-character songs thrown into the middle of the hour. Imagine WLTJ throwing u2's "Pride (In the name of love") and the Eagles' "Get Over It" at the bottom of the hour then going right back to what they had been doing. Didn't work for me at all, although I'm guessing the target for that one was more female, as the core lists the format was based on were female-leaning AC lists.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
 
Re: SAM, Greensburg, Satellite-Fed Format and You

> > Point well made, as long as their is mucho $$'s go fo it,
> I
> > wish them well, I just wish I could hear it in my neck of
> > the woods!
>
> Most folks here apparently didn't read the entire article,
> which states that the new WGSM "Sam 107.1" will move back to
> Greensburg.
>
> And by its name, one assumes it'll be running Westwood One's
> satellite-fed version of the format by that name.
>
> -OA
>
I remember listening to 107.1 when it was top 40 WSSZ Z 107. I forget how the signal was from Greensburg though.
 
Re: SAM, Greensburg, Satellite-Fed Format and You

> > Point well made, as long as their is mucho $$'s go fo it,
> I
> > wish them well, I just wish I could hear it in my neck of
> > the woods!
>
> Most folks here apparently didn't read the entire article,
> which states that the new WGSM "Sam 107.1" will move back to
> Greensburg.
>
> And by its name, one assumes it'll be running Westwood One's
> satellite-fed version of the format by that name.
>
> -OA
>

You're right, I hadn't read it. The fact that it was sold to a Renda subsidiary is rather significant in all of this. And I'm sure they will now treat it strictly as a suburban local signal instead of pretending to be a Pittsburgh station.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
 
Re: SAM, Greensburg, Satellite-Fed Format and You

> > Point well made, as long as their is mucho $$'s go fo it,
> I
> > wish them well, I just wish I could hear it in my neck of
> > the woods!
>
> Most folks here apparently didn't read the entire article,
> which states that the new WGSM "Sam 107.1" will move back to
> Greensburg.
>
> And by its name, one assumes it'll be running Westwood One's
> satellite-fed version of the format by that name.
>
> -OA
>

I just read the article, since for some reason I couldn't get the P-G website to open yesterday. (Lord knows why...)

Anyway, two points here:

(1) Renda is a very competent operation, and Pittsburgh-proud so to speak. Not that Sheridan wasn't, but I think they finally realized that the 107.1 signal was so out of the way (especially once the WAMO move was completed) that they didn't necessarily make anything with it in white-bread Westmoreland Co.
(2) Sam will be fine. Satellite-fed stuff seems to be the name of the game in suburban stations anymore--Pickle in Fayette and Beaver-Lawrence; Jack at WOMP; now Sam at WGSM (wasn't that an Atlanta station years ago?). As long as it can be sold, it will survive. And Westmoreland Co. is a pretty open space as far as that's concerned.

Finally, to echo something else here: What happens with Majic 860?
 
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