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WJMN on top....who flips rap (rap/rock seems right for Boston)

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Brooklyndon

wow...12 years later and WJMN is #1. Who would have thought back when it was the new WZOU it would be #1. The first sign out have been when baltazzar beat matty in the morning five years ago. but now its done, people are more likely to listen to the freaking puerto rican's station than garry lapierre and traffic on the threes.

So....what station goes rap next. WAAF looks likes it invested in rock, unless entercom truely wanted to increase its male presence in the area and start from scratch witha whitebred raps station on the south shore, or, do FNX and BCn, with their urban locations and heavy young male audiences flip, or does a dark horse come along, WBOS, WBMX, or WCRB to give clear channel and WJMN a run for its money.

Boston can support two raps stations, Hot nine sehen sehen proved it, maybe this time theyll be less militantly black and actually develop a large audience.
 
>>does a dark horse come along, WBOS

in the 12+ ratings, at least, WILD-FM was getting higher ratings pre-flip than WBOS is getting now...

It seems like when one station dumps a format, their competitor gets an immediate boost. WJMN may have picked up part of the WILD-FM audience, just like WJIB got adult standards listeners when WXKS (AM)
dumped the format in 10/04 for liberal talk...
 
Its time for Radio One to give back the Nash family there AM radio station and get the hell out of Boston . LA is the next radio market that Radio One will do something stupid . WILD-AM need to go back to Urban A/C and Gospel on sundays .
 
In the trends that were just released, 97.7 hadn't been flipped to the WAAF simulcast yet. It won't be until the next month when the quarterlies come out that any reflection of the flip of 97.7 will be evident, and at least 3 months until there's a more accurate reading of the ratings situation post-flip. Jam'n 94.5, as repetitive and narrow as its playlist is, earned #1 12+ with 97.7 WBOT still in tact.

Jacko
 
I've been reading the last few threads about this whole WILD thing. While I realize how upset some people might be that their favorite station is no longer on the air, you must realize that there is really nothing you can do about it, unless you get together with a bunch of people, apply for a signal, or buy a radio station. Sorry, but that is the reality; companies that run commerical stations run formats so that they can sell advertising and make a profit on the air time. The fact that radio one is (as you say) "a black owned company," is really of no relevance. They owned the signal, they decided they could not afford it, and they sold it. End of story. YOu can make the argument that "radio one had a duty," but really they did not. Radio one is a private company, they can buy, sell, do what they want. The courts have ruled that corporations are similar to private individuals (and don't ask me to cite the case). If they were NPR, you would have a case, but they are not, and that's just the way it goes. It was Radio One's frequency, not yours. Hey, I was made when WHTT went mellow rock. But guess what, I don't own 103.3 anymore than any of you own 97.7 (regardless of the audience it catered to).

Sure you can go to city hall, stand out in the street, and huff and puff just like all the WCBS FM fans did in New York, but you'll be wasting your breath.

Here's a more effective strategy (imo). Hold some fundraisers, do some fundraising, get a lot of money together, and buy a station. AM, FM, whatever. Or write lots of letters to the current station operators in Boston. But just remember, ratings determine whose listening, and if there were really a following for WILD, it would not be WAAF today. But it is.

Sorry, but that is the way it.
 
Well, staying on topic of this thread, perhaps Infinity will consider the Movin format on one of their FM's?
 
Brooklyndon said:
wow...12 years later and WJMN is #1. Who would have thought back when it was the new WZOU it would be #1. The first sign out have been when baltazzar beat matty in the morning five years ago. but now its done, people are more likely to listen to the freaking puerto rican's station than garry lapierre and traffic on the threes.

So....what station goes rap next. WAAF looks likes it invested in rock, unless entercom truely wanted to increase its male presence in the area and start from scratch witha whitebred raps station on the south shore, or, do FNX and BCn, with their urban locations and heavy young male audiences flip, or does a dark horse come along, WBOS, WBMX, or WCRB to give clear channel and WJMN a run for its money.

Boston can support two raps stations, Hot nine sehen sehen proved it, maybe this time theyll be less militantly black and actually develop a large audience.
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There's more to the world of black music than rap. If you are in NY, listen to Kiss, BLS, CD 101, or good heavens, Newark's WBGO! Open your mind!
 
rapking said:
Its time for Radio One to give back the Nash family there AM radio station and get the hell out of Boston . LA is the next radio market that Radio One will do something stupid . WILD-AM need to go back to Urban A/C and Gospel on sundays .
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Rapking, at this point I could care less if Radio One hangs on WILD-AM. The company has no committment to the community. Plus the daytime only signal is a liability. Let someone else come in and invest in the format and a full time station.

There are other companies investing in gospel, black, and Latin formats. Davidson Radio being the one that comes to mind. They've invested in 2 FM stations in Providence:eek:ne Portuguese and one Spanish. I'm sure they'd like to break into Boston. Let someone else do it, I'm over Radio One.
 
Garrett said:
I've been reading the last few threads about this whole WILD thing. While I realize how upset some people might be that their favorite station is no longer on the air, you must realize that there is really nothing you can do about it, unless you get together with a bunch of people, apply for a signal, or buy a radio station. Sorry, but that is the reality; companies that run commerical stations run formats so that they can sell advertising and make a profit on the air time. The fact that radio one is (as you say) "a black owned company," is really of no relevance. They owned the signal, they decided they could not afford it, and they sold it. End of story. YOu can make the argument that "radio one had a duty," but really they did not. Radio one is a private company, they can buy, sell, do what they want. The courts have ruled that corporations are similar to private individuals (and don't ask me to cite the case). If they were NPR, you would have a case, but they are not, and that's just the way it goes. It was Radio One's frequency, not yours. Hey, I was made when WHTT went mellow rock. But guess what, I don't own 103.3 anymore than any of you own 97.7 (regardless of the audience it catered to).

Sure you can go to city hall, stand out in the street, and huff and puff just like all the WCBS FM fans did in New York, but you'll be wasting your breath.

Here's a more effective strategy (imo). Hold some fundraisers, do some fundraising, get a lot of money together, and buy a station. AM, FM, whatever. Or write lots of letters to the current station operators in Boston. But just remember, ratings determine whose listening, and if there were really a following for WILD, it would not be WAAF today. But it is.

Sorry, but that is the way it.
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Garrett, you are absolutely right. But 2 things: 1-entercom was the company that brought us the "Metco" gorilla comment. That is still remembered in the community and Entercom's taking away the Urban AC format is like rubbing salt in a wound. 2- Radio One and Entercom have every right to buy and sell, but wiping out an entire audience just to simulcast a station everyone already can listen to (WAAF) is bizarre.
 
Brooklyndon said:
Kiss is only good for Micheal baseden and the Rhyth Review on Sundays. baisden is amazing though, really provocative radio.
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Kiss is the 5th rated station in NY, beating Hot 97, Power 105, BLS, KTU, and too many others to mention. I grew up listening to Kiss. There's so much more to urban radio than hip hop, it's unfortunate that the kids in Boston dont' realize that, they are never exposed to it. Listening to Kiss and BLS, you hear the originals that the hip hop crowd is constantly sampling from. Rubin Toro the Latin Bull on Sat nights is awesome!
Kiss has actually been adding gospel music into its rotation in the past year and it's working for them, their ratings are solid as ever. Felix hernandez used to do his show on WBGO. That's another station serving the urban audience that is legendary, people stream onto it from all over the globe.
 
you are right, I was quick to generalize after a long night out, i should have written kiss is best for Micheal baisden and the rhythm review.
 
I asked in another thread, if anyone thought a station owned by Inner City Broadcasting or Emmis would be a better fit for the Boston Market. To me Radio One's programming seems geared more towards the southern listeners. Radio One still cannot get it right in LA, and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with their national or regional programming people. Just a thought.
 
Radio-One definetely dropped the ball as far as presentation went. It should have been the easiest pitch in the world for the sales guys too, but, again, the station was too militantly black. It'll be interesting if the next rap station in boston goes the WJMN guido/spanish presentation route, or if it goes militant black again. Personally, I think the station should be automated with the playlist and liner notes listed online.

As far as Emmis, I'm sure they'd do a fine job in Boston. Both Hot in NY and Power in LA are influential stations that cater to a cosmopolitan audience. With Radio one, you could tell they were operating out of Brockton, hopefully, whoever is the next rap station will sound like its coming out of an office building somewhere in the back bay.
 
The guy who wrote that WRKS/NY is only good for Michael Baisden and the Rhythm Review has lost it.

WRKS is the best Urban AC in the United States.
If you compare it to most Urban ACs, it is miles ahead in terms of programming.
The playlist is better than any of the CC and Radio One Urban ACs.
Kiss gives you Today's R&B (Beyonce,Neo), Classic Soul (Teddy, O'Jays) and Classic Club/House (Adeva,Sybil,Alyus).

No other Urban AC in the country gives you that variety.
 
Retro said:
Well, staying on topic of this thread, perhaps Infinity will consider the Movin format on one of their FM's?
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I was about to mention this. On Friday, CBS flipped their classic hits outlet in San Francisco (KFRC) to rhythmic AC "Movin' 99.7". But here's what's interesting: they did it while leaving their rock-leaning hot AC KLLC (Alice @ 97.3) intact, along with their no-show FM talker KIFR. Does this mean that if CBS went with Movin' in Boston, 98.5 wouldn't be their first choice? Just for the record, CBS' lowest billing station last year was WODS, billing $17 million and a power ratio of 0.87.

But a Movin' station wouldn't take too many listeners away from Jam'n: it would instead go for Kiss 108's older numbers.
 
If Star didnt, Movin' wont. Then again Star was not well done on so many levels. Bee Gees every 40 minutes just not that compelling.
 
encarta95 said:
Retro said:
Well, staying on topic of this thread, perhaps Infinity will consider the Movin format on one of their FM's?
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I was about to mention this. On Friday, CBS flipped their classic hits outlet in San Francisco (KFRC) to rhythmic AC "Movin' 99.7". But here's what's interesting: they did it while leaving their rock-leaning hot AC KLLC (Alice @ 97.3) intact, along with their no-show FM talker KIFR. Does this mean that if CBS went with Movin' in Boston, 98.5 wouldn't be their first choice? Just for the record, CBS' lowest billing station last year was WODS, billing $17 million and a power ratio of 0.87.

But a Movin' station wouldn't take too many listeners away from Jam'n: it would instead go for Kiss 108's older numbers.
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It still see is coming.

104.1 perhaps?

they can start it after the super Bowl
 
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