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WJTN Jamestown schedule change
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OHListener77
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I got a chance to talk to some people who may have some information that's not being given to us by management...and all I know so far is that it could possibly stem from a mid-May show in which Ray had said "shit" and "****" on the air. And I remember that show...he was reading from a legal document pertaining to a sexual harassment settlement involving a city councilwoman and the Jamestown Police Department. And he was quoting directly from that document. AND he had also given prior warning to his listeners that he was going to be reading graphic language.
From what I understand, management suspended Ray for the week of June 2nd because of that incident.
I wonder if anyone complained to the FCC about Ray's language? I'll try to get more information about this as soon as I can.
From what I understand, management suspended Ray for the week of June 2nd because of that incident.
I wonder if anyone complained to the FCC about Ray's language? I'll try to get more information about this as soon as I can.
Sounds like the man hit the daily double! And not in a good way.
Ironic that this issue is being discussed just a day after the passing of George Carlin, whose "Seven Dirty Words" routine took its place in rulings by the FCC and the Supreme Court. Saying "sh*t" and "--*--" on the air was pretty stupid, especially in Jamestown, regardless of the context. It's simply not done outside of safe harbor (10 p.m. to 6 a.m.) and even then, it's extremely precarious.
Did Hall think using those words was acceptable simply because he was quoting a legal document?
Ironic that this issue is being discussed just a day after the passing of George Carlin, whose "Seven Dirty Words" routine took its place in rulings by the FCC and the Supreme Court. Saying "sh*t" and "--*--" on the air was pretty stupid, especially in Jamestown, regardless of the context. It's simply not done outside of safe harbor (10 p.m. to 6 a.m.) and even then, it's extremely precarious.
Did Hall think using those words was acceptable simply because he was quoting a legal document?
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OHListener77
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I got some more information today regarding the matter...and the conclusion I've come to is this: I SMELL A RAT.
Do you know that the station received only one complaint after Ray said those two words (sh*t and c**t)? ONLY ONE COMPLAINT! And you know who it was? It was a caller who was banned from calling in to the show after referring to a pair of community leaders as "Nazis." If you were a faithful Ray Hall listener like I was, even though I live about an hour or so outside of Jamestown, you probably came to recognize the caller simply known as "Michael." This was the caller whose signature phrase was "Nazi machine" (referring to a search machine that's in front of Jamestown City Hall) and who talked a lot about Alex Jones and 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Well, on one particular show, I recall "Michael" talking about a person on the Chautauqua County Wanted List who was arrested for a pair of petty crimes. This led "Michael" to call county sheriff Joe Gerace a Nazi, probably because he maintains the Wanted List or something. Then he called the editor of Jamestown's local newspaper a Nazi, probably because that newspaper prints the Wanted List every week. I'm not sure if I have a recording of this show (I often recorded the Internet stream), but if I do, I can iron out more details if need be.
Anyway, I remember Ray allowed "Michael" to finish his call, then he just unloaded on him, saying that he would not be allowed to talk on the air again unless he made an on-air apology.
Since then, I never heard "Michael" again.
That's all the details I have...and you can be sure that I'll be investigating this further. I'm beginning to suspect that "Michael" may have had something to do with the Hall Closet getting the ax.
As for whether Ray thought it was acceptable to use that language because he was quoting......well, I can't give an answer to that, but all I do know is that he gave the listeners a warning that he was going to read graphic language, and that anyone who would be offended should turn their radio off.
Do you know that the station received only one complaint after Ray said those two words (sh*t and c**t)? ONLY ONE COMPLAINT! And you know who it was? It was a caller who was banned from calling in to the show after referring to a pair of community leaders as "Nazis." If you were a faithful Ray Hall listener like I was, even though I live about an hour or so outside of Jamestown, you probably came to recognize the caller simply known as "Michael." This was the caller whose signature phrase was "Nazi machine" (referring to a search machine that's in front of Jamestown City Hall) and who talked a lot about Alex Jones and 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Well, on one particular show, I recall "Michael" talking about a person on the Chautauqua County Wanted List who was arrested for a pair of petty crimes. This led "Michael" to call county sheriff Joe Gerace a Nazi, probably because he maintains the Wanted List or something. Then he called the editor of Jamestown's local newspaper a Nazi, probably because that newspaper prints the Wanted List every week. I'm not sure if I have a recording of this show (I often recorded the Internet stream), but if I do, I can iron out more details if need be.
Anyway, I remember Ray allowed "Michael" to finish his call, then he just unloaded on him, saying that he would not be allowed to talk on the air again unless he made an on-air apology.
Since then, I never heard "Michael" again.
That's all the details I have...and you can be sure that I'll be investigating this further. I'm beginning to suspect that "Michael" may have had something to do with the Hall Closet getting the ax.
As for whether Ray thought it was acceptable to use that language because he was quoting......well, I can't give an answer to that, but all I do know is that he gave the listeners a warning that he was going to read graphic language, and that anyone who would be offended should turn their radio off.
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WCWalker
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The language issue is not a simple matter. A broadcast outlet can be fined heavily for such language if the FCC receives a formal complaint and then finds the station guilty in the resulting investigation. However, I believe the station management over reacted to this problem and Ray should have been issued a warning and asked to refrain from using such language during his program. I agree something seems odd.
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OHListener77
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Well, I already mentioned that Ray was suspended for one week as a result of his use of those two colorful words. So maybe that was management's warning. But from what I understand, the cancellation of the Hall Closet was a decision made by the corporate office in Cleveland...so the only hand WJTN management would be playing in this fiasco is following corporate orders.
As I said before, I'll try to get some more info on this whole mess...hopefully by tomorrow at this time. If not, bear with me.
As I said before, I'll try to get some more info on this whole mess...hopefully by tomorrow at this time. If not, bear with me.
When I first read that Mr. Hall's show was cancelled, I thought it was just typical cost cutting by corporate. Obviously, that's not necessarily the case.
I guess ever since the whole "Imus incident" stations and corporations have developed a zero tolerance policy for anything controversial or provocative on commercial radio.
If I were living in Jamestown, I would go to the stations' key advertisers and tell them that I am outraged at the abrupt and senseless cancellation of "The Hall Closet" and hopefully put pressure on the management, both locally and at corporate HQ, to reinstate the show.
In this era of syndicated talk, communities like Jamestown need MORE local talk, not less. Hopefully, if WJTN can't/won't put Mr. Hall back on the air, perhaps he can find another outlet for his show such as the community LPFM station in town. Then again, he would most likely have to settle for a volunteer position. So maybe that isn't a likely scinerio after all.
I guess ever since the whole "Imus incident" stations and corporations have developed a zero tolerance policy for anything controversial or provocative on commercial radio.
If I were living in Jamestown, I would go to the stations' key advertisers and tell them that I am outraged at the abrupt and senseless cancellation of "The Hall Closet" and hopefully put pressure on the management, both locally and at corporate HQ, to reinstate the show.
In this era of syndicated talk, communities like Jamestown need MORE local talk, not less. Hopefully, if WJTN can't/won't put Mr. Hall back on the air, perhaps he can find another outlet for his show such as the community LPFM station in town. Then again, he would most likely have to settle for a volunteer position. So maybe that isn't a likely scinerio after all.
I started in radio back in the 70s and as any old timer can tell you, the radio industry was always far from perfect - crazy owners, nazi-like GMs, etc. etc. But at least there was competition in the old days. One company owning an entire market like Jamestown is outrageous and serves only the company that owns these stations. Public be damned. Deregulation ruined radio.
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WCWalker
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JakeLongwell said:When I first read that Mr. Hall's show was cancelled, I thought it was just typical cost cutting by corporate. Obviously, that's not necessarily the case.
I guess ever since the whole "Imus incident" stations and corporations have developed a zero tolerance policy for anything controversial or provocative on commercial radio.
If I were living in Jamestown, I would go to the stations' key advertisers and tell them that I am outraged at the abrupt and senseless cancellation of "The Hall Closet" and hopefully put pressure on the management, both locally and at corporate HQ, to reinstate the show.
In this era of syndicated talk, communities like Jamestown need MORE local talk, not less. Hopefully, if WJTN can't/won't put Mr. Hall back on the air, perhaps he can find another outlet for his show such as the community LPFM station in town. Then again, he would most likely have to settle for a volunteer position. So maybe that isn't a likely scinerio after all.
Interesting that you mention this Jake. A couple of years ago I started to look at Jamestown as a potential site to develop a professional, commercial Part 15 AM radio station. I went so far as to look at houses in Jamestown but unfortunately at that time I could not buy a suitable property. In the meantime I moved to Kansas City to wait on my business partner while he ties up some loose ends. Now those loose ends are just about tied up.
We've been looking at locations in Maine, PA, OH and others in NY. Right now perhaps the time is right to try to develop this idea in Jamestown. I've heard a number of people in Jamestown grumble about this very same problem, no competition in local radio and this may be a way to nip it on the bud. The downside is that a single transmitter will only have a one to one and a half mile radius or perhaps a bit more and we'll likely need at least two transmitters to adequately cover the entire city of Jamestown unless a single transmitter can be located in the center of the city. But this would be a way to return some kind of independent and local programming to the airwaves there.
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OHListener77
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No more info yet on the Hall Closet situation...however, I did find out that WJTN is making considerable changes to its air schedule.
Through a spot I heard on the air today, I learned that WJTN is replacing Michael Medved in the 3:00-5:00 time slot with Lou Dobbs. They're also adding Dr. Dean Edell to air 6:00-7:00 weeknights. And on Sundays, they're going to air the best of Lou Dobbs from 1:00-4:00 and the best of Glenn Beck from 4:00-7:00. When exactly those changes will take place, I have no idea. (Dr. Edell, BO Lou Dobbs and BO Glenn Beck are replacing ESPN Radio programming)
Glenn Beck and Dr. Dean Edell are on WKSN right now....So from that I can conclude there will be major changes for WKSN.
That spot, by the way, was a "message from the management and owners of Media One Group, LLC." Pretty much what I would deem a sort of "cover-up" saying they care about listeners' input. If you include the owners, that statement is a bald-faced lie.
Through a spot I heard on the air today, I learned that WJTN is replacing Michael Medved in the 3:00-5:00 time slot with Lou Dobbs. They're also adding Dr. Dean Edell to air 6:00-7:00 weeknights. And on Sundays, they're going to air the best of Lou Dobbs from 1:00-4:00 and the best of Glenn Beck from 4:00-7:00. When exactly those changes will take place, I have no idea. (Dr. Edell, BO Lou Dobbs and BO Glenn Beck are replacing ESPN Radio programming)
Glenn Beck and Dr. Dean Edell are on WKSN right now....So from that I can conclude there will be major changes for WKSN.
That spot, by the way, was a "message from the management and owners of Media One Group, LLC." Pretty much what I would deem a sort of "cover-up" saying they care about listeners' input. If you include the owners, that statement is a bald-faced lie.
Reviewing this thread, I'm beginning to see the agenda here. Giving the benefit of the doubt in my earlier post, I was much too generous. Anybody who's so cavalier (=bold), arrogant (=thinking the rules and regs do not apply to him or his situation) or stupid (=unaware of the rules and regs) as to use the F and/or C bombs on (daytime) radio deserves to be canned. He's a liability to the license and the good will of the station, regardless of how many complaints the station does or does not receive. As a manager or owner (which I am neither), I'd ask two questions of the offender, "How long have you been in broadcasting?" and "What were you thinking when you intentionally used those words?" These two questions would be followed by, "Your services are no longer needed." Nighty-night.
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OHListener77
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Well, I knew there would be major changes to WKSN, but not quite like this...
As of today, 1340 AM in Jamestown has gone back in time (in more ways than one) and reverted to the format of oldies. And its new marketing name is "Kissin' Oldies 1340."
As of today, 1340 AM in Jamestown has gone back in time (in more ways than one) and reverted to the format of oldies. And its new marketing name is "Kissin' Oldies 1340."
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WCWalker
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That's the same format WKSN had prior to switching to talk. One wonders why they ditched the generic Oldies format in the first place? Still no local on air talent I take it.
Still no local on air talent I take it.
Even hiring someone local to do morning drive is probably asking too much. A weekly request show, live from a local drive in restaurant on Hot Rod night? Are you mad? That would cost the corporation money. The bean counters would have a fit.
IMHO, those satellite Oldies formats are just the worst. I hate all satellite music formats, but the oldies are especially annoying to me. Maybe that's because they are trying to recreate a style popular back in Top 40 radio's heyday, when all radio was live and local. Generic. Incredibly generic.
Remember when KB dropped locally-based Oldies and went satellite Oldies in the late 80s? They also dropped most of their listeners. Danny in the morning vs. Jim Zippo in the morning - Buffalo listeners noticed a difference.
cee said:Remember when KB dropped locally-based Oldies and went satellite Oldies in the late 80s? They also dropped most of their listeners. Danny in the morning vs. Jim Zippo in the morning - Buffalo listeners noticed a difference.
Not to mention the enormous amount of bad publicity that came with that change. It was the first real negative news stories I can remember about a radio station. And I do agree that most satellite formats-particularly oldies and AC-are bad sounding because they are so generic and filled with crutches. Satellite formats can be made to sound fairly decent but that takes a lot more work and attention.
TVJunkie12 said:they are so generic and filled with crutches.
with ya', for ya', how ya doin', comin at ya, kickin' off and hump day
Speaking of satellite oldies, about a year and a half ago in Erie PA one of the local FM stations (formerly Froggy 94.7 - WFGO) was flipped from local oldies to an adult hits format (currently 94.7 BOB FM - WXBB). Trying to fill the void caused by the format flip, the AM sports station (formerly Sports Radio 1330 The Fan - WFNN) changed its format to oldies with programming from the True Oldies Channel and became know as "True Oldies 1330". Eventually Connoisseur Media learned that the format wasn't doing very well (very low ratings) and realized that they needed to do something else. So they brought back the sports station under Fox Sports Radio (another AM station, which was adult standards WRIE AM 1260, picked up ESPN radio after the sports station was lost) and moved all their play-by-play sports back to the station, which is now called "Fox Sports Radio AM 1330 The Fan - still WFNN).
Just before 1330 flipped from oldied back to sports, daytime AM station WYNE 1530, owned by Mercyhurst College North East, stopped simulcasting and became a locally programmed oldies station. Bill Shannon, who has worked in Erie radio for many of years, operates the station and Captain Dan Geary, formerly of oldies Froggy 94.7/WFGO and JET Radio 1400/WJET, has joined the station this year. The station is used to teach students about radio careers and provide Northeast and Erie with oldies music. Recently WYNE launched a website and began streaming online - http://northeast.mercyhurst.edu/wyne/
Just before 1330 flipped from oldied back to sports, daytime AM station WYNE 1530, owned by Mercyhurst College North East, stopped simulcasting and became a locally programmed oldies station. Bill Shannon, who has worked in Erie radio for many of years, operates the station and Captain Dan Geary, formerly of oldies Froggy 94.7/WFGO and JET Radio 1400/WJET, has joined the station this year. The station is used to teach students about radio careers and provide Northeast and Erie with oldies music. Recently WYNE launched a website and began streaming online - http://northeast.mercyhurst.edu/wyne/
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I bleieve this means there are now three "oldies" stations in the Jamestown market. WKSN, WDOE, and WRRN. Though I don't know if WRRN counts as a "Jamestown" station. Their signal can certainly be heard up there just fine.
Sadly, I'm guessing all three of the above stations are running satellite feeds most, if not all day. Can someone tell me which station is carrying which oldies feed? I'm just curious.
Sadly, I'm guessing all three of the above stations are running satellite feeds most, if not all day. Can someone tell me which station is carrying which oldies feed? I'm just curious.
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OHListener77
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I don't know if WRRN is a satellite-fed operation or what the deal is there...but I do know that's considered a Warren, PA station. And I've never heard WDOE before...maybe it can't be heard in Jamestown.
But looking at the station's website, WKSN appears to be a 24/7 satellite oldies station, with music from Scott Shannon's True Oldies Channel. But...I did find out that WKSN is keeping two local talk programs: Blue Screen Radio, which deals with computers and technology; and the Grizzly Gary Show, which deals with fishing and hunting.
But looking at the station's website, WKSN appears to be a 24/7 satellite oldies station, with music from Scott Shannon's True Oldies Channel. But...I did find out that WKSN is keeping two local talk programs: Blue Screen Radio, which deals with computers and technology; and the Grizzly Gary Show, which deals with fishing and hunting.
No DOE
WDOE doesn't get to Jamestown. Radio Locator doesn't take into account the hilly terrain in Chautauqua county. There are probably some areas in the central part of the county where both signals come in.
WDOE doesn't get to Jamestown. Radio Locator doesn't take into account the hilly terrain in Chautauqua county. There are probably some areas in the central part of the county where both signals come in.
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