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WJYY - Cookie Cutter Radio

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I was in the area 2 weeks ago. I heard 105.5, and I recognized the person who did the voiceovers. That same person does the voiceovers for WPST here in New Jersey. I noticed that 'PST and WJYY had similar playlists. Whatever happened to originality in radio?<P ID="signature">______________
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Location: Princeton Junction, NJ
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> I was in the area 2 weeks ago. I heard 105.5, and I
> recognized the person who did the voiceovers. That same
> person does the voiceovers for WPST here in New Jersey. I
> noticed that 'PST and WJYY had similar playlists. Whatever
> happened to originality in radio?
>


Two words: Nassau Broadcasting.
 
> Two words: Nassau Broadcasting.

Yeah, you're so right. Only Nassau Broadcasting does this.

Clear Channel doesn't do anything of the sort with it's CHRs and the moniker KISS.

Infinity DEFINITELY doesn't do this with the new JACK-FM format.


Wow, you people are cynical and very closed-minded.

Here are two words: CORPORATE BROADCASTING.


Call a spade a spade. You don't like what Nassau Broadcasting is doing, but don't blame *them* for instituting well-researched decisions across their stations. They certainly aren't the only ones.
 
> > Two words: Nassau Broadcasting.
>
> Yeah, you're so right. Only Nassau Broadcasting does this.
>
> Clear Channel doesn't do anything of the sort with it's CHRs
> and the moniker KISS.
>
> Infinity DEFINITELY doesn't do this with the new JACK-FM
> format.
>
>
> Wow, you people are cynical and very closed-minded.
>
> Here are two words: CORPORATE BROADCASTING.
>
>
> Call a spade a spade. You don't like what Nassau
> Broadcasting is doing, but don't blame *them* for
> instituting well-researched decisions across their stations.
> They certainly aren't the only ones.
>
You're right on Stick. CC, NB, Cox, Infinity(do I need to list 'em all?) are all incredibly bland. Interesting that the original post alledgely came from someone in NJ where NB is based. Perhaps this is a fromer NB NJ emp that's trying to stir the pot a little. Just a guess.
 
> I was in the area 2 weeks ago. I heard 105.5, and I
> recognized the person who did the voiceovers. That same
> person does the voiceovers for WPST here in New Jersey. I
> noticed that 'PST and WJYY had similar playlists. Whatever
> happened to originality in radio?
>

Never knew there was any to begin with...but then I'm only 52, so maybe I don't remember that far back. Back in the late 60s when I was growing up WRKO sounded just like every other RKO-General station did. Why mess with success?

No one in N.H. cares that WJYY sounds like some station in N.J. that most will never hear.
 
> > Wow, you people are cynical and very closed-minded.
> >
> > Here are two words: CORPORATE BROADCASTING.
> >
> >
> > Call a spade a spade. You don't like what Nassau
> > Broadcasting is doing, but don't blame *them* for
> > instituting well-researched decisions across their
> stations.
> > They certainly aren't the only ones.


I guess it's pretty easy for many of us who have been...or are still involved in radio...to throw stones at NASSAU (or any other company for that matter)?

But if you step back and honestly remember that 'broadcast crap-ola' has been around for a lot longer than NASSAU has, maybe it's easier to 'pick on the new kid?'

What's really annoying about radio NOW is the fact that most of the jocks, announcers, air personalities(?) are no longer talking TO LISTENERS.....BUT AT THEM!!! They babble off a slug line or two, tease an upcoming stop-set and then comes a 4-5 minute spot cluster with virtually the same "in your face" approach. [Okay...to be audio correct...."in your ears approach!"].

So does it really come as a surprise to GM's, GSM's, PD's and AE's that their listeners have switched to a competitor....or end up popping their favorite CD or audiobook into their car or home stereo systems? The 10-20 SONGS IN A ROW approach is popular, but somebody's gotta pay for it?

Maybe the biggest problem with radio right now is this?

When the content of any format doesn't match the hype surrounding it, why should listeners bother to stay with one or two specific stations? There are certainly a lot of other 'audio options' they can choose instead.

argytunes
 
I agree with argy the pirate. Jocks should "interact with" not "talk at" the listeners. Makes for a much more enjoyable and interactive experience... and that's one of the big things radio has over CDs, ipods, etc... being part of a community and interacting with a mass media.

Corporate radio isn't the enemy... modern culture is...



> > > Wow, you people are cynical and very closed-minded.
> > >
> > > Here are two words: CORPORATE BROADCASTING.
> > >
> > >
> > > Call a spade a spade. You don't like what Nassau
> > > Broadcasting is doing, but don't blame *them* for
> > > instituting well-researched decisions across their
> > stations.
> > > They certainly aren't the only ones.
>
>
> I guess it's pretty easy for many of us who have been...or
> are still involved in radio...to throw stones at NASSAU (or
> any other company for that matter)?
>
> But if you step back and honestly remember that 'broadcast
> crap-ola' has been around for a lot longer than NASSAU has,
> maybe it's easier to 'pick on the new kid?'
>
> What's really annoying about radio NOW is the fact that most
> of the jocks, announcers, air personalities(?) are no longer
> talking TO LISTENERS.....BUT AT THEM!!! They babble off a
> slug line or two, tease an upcoming stop-set and then comes
> a 4-5 minute spot cluster with virtually the same "in your
> face" approach. [Okay...to be audio correct...."in your
> ears approach!"].
>
> So does it really come as a surprise to GM's, GSM's, PD's
> and AE's that their listeners have switched to a
> competitor....or end up popping their favorite CD or
> audiobook into their car or home stereo systems? The 10-20
> SONGS IN A ROW approach is popular, but somebody's gotta pay
> for it?
>
> Maybe the biggest problem with radio right now is this?
>
> When the content of any format doesn't match the hype
> surrounding it, why should listeners bother to stay with one
> or two specific stations? There are certainly a lot of other
> 'audio options' they can choose instead.
>
> argytunes
>
 
There's no denying the "blandification" that's taken place in radio since the corporate radio world evolved. The corporate stations no longer venture into the deep end of the pool. It's all about being safe and protecting the bottom line. Now, I know this is a business, however, the ostrisizng of the radio listener by coporate radio is going to come back to bite them. It already is. The corporate radio product today is inferior to what we had 10 years ago. The corporations supposedly have all of these resources, yet they're still forcing these group contests down the throats of listeners, jobs are disappearing and the only people benefitting are the CEO's and stockholders. I've never seen an industry ignore it's audience the way corporate radio does. You can't blame it on modern culture, that's simply a copout. Corporations are all about control, and they're afraid of losing it. CC, NB, Cox, Infinity or whomever could staff all of their stations locally and allow them to make decisions locally if they wanted to. There's more than enough qualified people available because the corporations put 1000's of them out of work in the first place. I'm not anti-corporation, but anyone that says they've been good for radio is naive.
 
> There's no denying the "blandification" that's taken place
> in radio since the corporate radio world evolved. The
> corporate stations no longer venture into the deep end of
> the pool. It's all about being safe and protecting the
> bottom line. Now, I know this is a business, however, the
> ostrisizng of the radio listener by coporate radio is going
> to come back to bite them. It already is. The corporate
> radio product today is inferior to what we had 10 years ago.
> The corporations supposedly have all of these resources,
> yet they're still forcing these group contests down the
> throats of listeners, jobs are disappearing and the only
> people benefitting are the CEO's and stockholders. I've
> never seen an industry ignore it's audience the way
> corporate radio does. You can't blame it on modern culture,
> that's simply a copout. Corporations are all about control,
> and they're afraid of losing it. CC, NB, Cox, Infinity or
> whomever could staff all of their stations locally and allow
> them to make decisions locally if they wanted to. There's
> more than enough qualified people available because the
> corporations put 1000's of them out of work in the first
> place. I'm not anti-corporation, but anyone that says
> they've been good for radio is naive.

Is this anything new? They're just doing what's popular for the format nitch audience they're seeking. When Wjyy went on the air back in the 80's it had the same soft ac format that was popular at the moment throughout the country, a carbon copy of WSSH, which was raking in big bucks with bland music and whispering DJ'S.
>
 
> > Two words: Nassau Broadcasting.
>
> Yeah, you're so right. Only Nassau Broadcasting does this.
>
> Clear Channel doesn't do anything of the sort with it's CHRs
> and the moniker KISS.
>
> Infinity DEFINITELY doesn't do this with the new JACK-FM
> format.
>
>
> Wow, you people are cynical and very closed-minded.
>
> Here are two words: CORPORATE BROADCASTING.
>
>
> Call a spade a spade. You don't like what Nassau
> Broadcasting is doing, but don't blame *them* for
> instituting well-researched decisions across their stations.
> They certainly aren't the only ones.
>

I really should have been gone farther in my post than I did, because I really wasn't actually trying to lay blame on Nassau for anything.

I completely agree that Nassau isn't the only one to do it, and I didn't mean for it to come across as such. I'm COMPLETELY aware of Infinity/Clear Channel/etc.

For those who have heard WJYY enough BEFORE Nassau took over, you'll know that when they were still under Vox, it wasn't QUITE so much talking "at" the listeners. The jocks were able to do more of their own things. Once the big N took over, that changed (AFTER they tinkered with most of the other stations first, ie: Hawk and Wolf).

If my first reply was misunderstood, that's partly my fault for not explaining. Nassau wanted to use the same voice guy for WJYY because he works well for WPST. But please, don't call me, or anyone else for that matter, cynical or closed-minded when you don't even know me.
 
> If my first reply was misunderstood, that's partly my fault
> for not explaining. Nassau wanted to use the same voice guy
> for WJYY because he works well for WPST. But please, don't
> call me, or anyone else for that matter, cynical or
> closed-minded when you don't even know me.
>

Only makes sense they'd want to use the same voice guy for multiple markets...fewer checks to write and probably a multi-station discount. JYY seemed to burn thru voice guys pretty fast there for a while, no one lasting more than a year or so. Not sure why they did that...the old I-93 had the same guy forever.
 
Corporate radio is dull and boring, which is why satellite radio is growing at an alarming rate. The statement below from Crap Channel Says it all

As Lowry Mays, the founder of Clear Channel said: "If anyone said we were in the radio business, it wouldn't be someone from our company. We're not in the business of providing news and information. We're not in the business of providing well-researched music. We're simply in the business of selling our customers products."

What does Jack mean for radio and especially Hot AC--Is Jack Tomorrow's Hot AC?
There is a new Jack station popping up in a market almost every day now...Why did it take so long for American radio to embrace this format when it was such a success across the Canadian border over two years ago?
by: Guy Zapoleon | June 1, 2005

There is a new Jack station popping up in a market almost every day now...Why did it take so long for American radio to embrace this format when it was such a success across the Canadian border over two years ago? Mark Ramsey, of Mercury Research in the US, started showing that there was room for a wide variety music format centered in the 70s and 80s, however most research companies didnt show this hole existed. It took Canada to think outside the US format box to come up with Jack.
What happened to Radio?
Anybody in radio who has the smallest modicum of a social life has heard the repetition complaints from their friends and neighbors for years. Those of us with Top 40 backgrounds are accustomed to such comments, as the nature of our format involves repetition. But when you start hearing these kinds of complaints about Rock, Oldies, and even Triple A stations (!)… shouldn’t we have woken up and smelled the coffee long before now? Since the Telecom bill in 1995 as our industry got gobbled up by consolidators, we threw any long term thinking and a lot of the common sense we had out the window. As an industry we did stop listening and feeling our radio stations with our emotions and started analyzing them on paper...Our industry got the "tighter is righter" fever and we overplayed music. With their hands forced by the high prices that were paid in the mad scramble for radio stations, consolidators cut radio station staffs, and cut budgets and starved our radio stations of the tools they needed to create great entertainment. We fired or shut down personalities and took the remaining staffs and doubled their workload and responsibility. The final result being that we took a lot the passion out of radio station staffs, and that took the passion out of what came out of the speakers.
Radio has survived just fine, but now there are iPods, music on the Internet, and Satellite Radio and the public woke up to the fact that radio has changed and other compelling music options exist without commercials. Now radio owners have to pick up the gauntlet and reinvest in their stations in order to be ready to face the challenge that is coming fast to threaten radio.
The Search For Variety
We drove listeners to their iPods and satellite radio for musical variety over the last 10 years. We program radio stations to Arbitron diary keepers not to the mass audience that’s out there (and they aren’t necessarily the same) In an effort to garner lots of TSL in order to get big ratings, you have to program a music mix that builds this consensus among a wide audience. When you do auditorium research you see about 200 songs that ALOT of people love, so around 200-250 titles is where programmers stop filling out their libraries Problem is those GREAT songs people love become songs people are tired of given a ton of airplay. The sad thing is that research never told us to play 200 song play lists...it was the interpretation of what was a good score and the lack of patience in reading the signs of what a good developing score with new music to determine whether to hold on to a new song. All we had to do was listen to our radio stations like a listener and we would know they were too tight...musically this misreading the research has gotten us in the trouble we're in, especially with variety formats (Oldies, AC, Hot AC, Classic Hits/Rock). Listeners would rather hear the songs they like, not love, in the mix so they don't hear “Jack & Diane,” or “Good Lovin’,” or “Stairway to Heaven” over and over again without relief. The success of Jack is proof of this.
Looking back to the beginning of Hot AC
When I was part of the team that built KHMX in 1990, I remember apartment shopping in Houston, looking through a resident’s album collection while taking a tour, and realizing that the music in that collection wasn’t being played on the radio. That mentality was incorporated into the music that went into the highly successful launch of KHMX. That experience seems to mirror the current iPod-inspired mix of the Jack-type formats.
In 1990 I had a sound in my head that I passionately felt was missing from radio at the time. There were not any upbeat, fun, radio stations that played Pop-Rock (with some Pop) music for women 25-39 who grew up with the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac. These were listeners who grew up with Top 40 in the 70s and early 80s and the music mix is really very similar to the essence of what Jack is today. One major difference is that I strongly believed in personalities who were involved with listeners on the air and off the air, sweepers were at a minimum and personalities and listeners on the air were dominant.
What's funny when you look at a play list from 1990's KHMX Houston, the first 80s-centric Mix Hot AC. I see a balance of fun upbeat Pop & Rock currents from Rod Stewart, Mariah Carey, Robert Palmer, Poison, Taylor Dayne and a gold library filled with a lot of 80s titles and some 70s titles from U2, Eddie Money, Bangles, Eurythmics, Journey, Boston, and Fleetwood Mac. All songs and artists that are the core of what Jack is today. Its just another example of what happened to this format as programmers abandoned the original 25-34 females fans who loved the radio station when they reached their upper 30's, and as this music didn’t have the same appeal to the new 25-34 female audience (as did Pop Alternative music) and so many of these songs were put on the shelf or were played lightly by Mainstream AC. Also the KHMX library during the early 90s was 500 titles, in an effort to deliver on the Variety Promise, something that was during the late 90s Modern AC phase of Hot AC.
The cultural differences we faced in 1990 vs. today are dramatically different, the competition for a radio listener's attention is dramatically more competitive than in 1990, but our job of capturing pop culture with our radio content and keeping listeners in touch still remains job #1 for us as programmers.
Programming to ARB diary keepers not the mass listeners
Ratings and TSL have been sagging for years. In many ways consolidation has caused a lot of the problems we face today. It is difficult to take risks when you look at the millions upon millions of dollars that a radio station is worth. Its difficult to spend money on programming and talent when you operate on half of the budget your radio station operated on 10 years ago. And if its not part of your budget, and your operating is based on quarterly results, when you run a major corporation (in any field) its so much easier to preserve the status quo. However we all know "programming by the numbers" doesn’t work...great entertainment has to be created using great intuition and great creativity. We don't allow experimentation these days--there is too much at stake, plus our creative people are saddled with so much programming, administrative or production responsibility that they don't have time just sit, brainstorm, and create.
Taking Risks
There have been radio stations that have taken chances and done things differently over the past 15 years, as mentioned previously KHMX Houston, Triple A WMMO, Z100 in New York City, WKTU New York, Triple A KPIG in Northern California, and Music/Talk WKXW in Trenton New Jersey. All these stations took chances to create magic. Great radio stations of the past had great personalities, great contesting and outstanding theatre of the mind production that captured listener’s imagination and listening loyalty marketing. Great radio stations great are unique, local and all know how important great personalities are to their success. They also know that while they have a long term strategy, the programming staff/air staff have to be empowered to work their magic on the spot and not forced to follow a stagnant never changing cookie cutter blueprint layed out by an ivory tower directive.

Hot AC: Adapting and Doing the Basics
WMMO and KHMX made adjustment to adapt as listeners tastes changed and market conditions changed. Many of the Hot AC's struggling today didn’t adapt and didn’t do the basics that upbeat adult formats must do to survive. There are basics that must be done for Hot AC to survive especially in the crisis mode this format is in now with the Jack format at its throat...
Here are the basics needed for Hot AC to survive as described in my article Hot AC=Mercedes Benz from 2003..
• Marketing: Some form of outside Marketing is essential during Spring and Fall
• Mornings: A strong morning show is essential
• Research: the radio station target’s needs and music and implement the results wisely
For the last few years, most companies starved Hot AC radio stations instead of heeding the warnings. The format was struggling due to not following this formula, taking hits due to the 80s format, and it got hit again in 2005 with Jack. Now, unless Hot AC takes immediate action to correct itself, the format is in serious trouble, because:
The Jack format done properly and marketed well is poised to become the upbeat Variety station in the market, a position held by the successful Hot AC's in their markets. Because Jack is a broader variety format, this has put Hot AC on the endangered species list of formats. Jack is already produced with great production values that are a lot more "fun" than a majority of Hot ACs and although Jack has no DJ's it has a lot more personality than many Hot AC's do with a full time air staff.

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