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WKBW 1520,the old days

The Buffalo FMs - some of them, anyway, are aided to the southwest by having transmitter sites up in the hills pretty far to the south of Buffalo. WTSS 102.5 (ex-WBEN-FM), WNED-94.5 (ex-WEBR-FM/WREZ/WBCE) and WDCX-99.5 are still in the south hills. 92.9 and 96.9 have moved to in-city sites in recent years.

As the thruway heads "west" toward Erie from the KB transmitter site in Hamburg, it's really heading sort of southwest, which is right into the deep KB null toward co-channel KOMA (KOKC) in Oklahoma City. The signal gets "phasey" as you drive past the KB site, and it never really comes back fully. The 1530 daytimer in Erie is still on, and ironically it's now WMCE, playing the hits of the 50s and 60s. It starts to wipe out what's left of the KB day signal just past Dunkirk/Fredonia.

Going east, the KB signal is a shell of its old self here in Rochester. It's always been plagued by groundwave/skywave cancellation at night here, but the groundwave is so weak now that it's mostly a fadey skywave here these days after dark.
 
Mr. Savage --
You should write a book. (Like you've got nothing else to do right?)
Your recollection in detail of the KB studios is fascinating. I was
envisioning each detail as you described it.

You described KB back in the '60's. Anyone have any recollection
of what WGR looked like back in the day? Was it just as archaic? (sp?) Was that standard fare for radio studios back in the '50's and '60's to be likened to a dump?

I remember WJJL when I first walked in their studios. That studio was like a time capsule. Equipment that was in place probably since it's installation when the studio went on the air in '48. But I've never worked that studio. Cuz the week I started - they gutted out the whole control room and replaced it with all brand new equipment.
Still left with the same scratchy records and the production studio was circa 1965.

So Bob, when you worked at KB in '69 in their 'luxurious' studios
you must have thought you went to heaven then when you came back to work in the 80's when the studios went to Delaware Ave.
No transcription TT's no records and a nice McCurdy board.

When I worked GR I believe their control room equipment and set up was the same since the early to mid '70's. I found out through Tom Shannon that the GR control room at 464 Franklin was the same 'room' that his theme song Wild Weekend was recorded in
back when GR was on Barton Street. And you mentioned wierdos
coming up to the window - GR's control room had complete visual
access to Franklin Street and passerbys. Someone walking by had
complete access to the jock on the air unless he/she had the blinds drawn which I usually didn't when it was dark outside. So there I stood bold as brass. (Liked to keep an eye on the car).
 
I too wondered what WGR 55 looked like before I saw the place in the mid-'70's. I don't remember what board they were using but the cart machines were all single plays across the top.

WBEN's radio studios went through a major redesign in the mid '70s with several massive Ward Beck consoles, really state of the art stuff. I saw it once but it would be interesting to know what it was like before the rebuild. Probably another old classic setup from the few pictures I have seen.
 
Hi Mike,

GR had a McCurdy board and 6 ITC Single Play cart machines below the VU metering bridge. Later when we went CD the players were underneath the cart machines. That too, wreaked of cigarette smoke and everything had a yellowish tint to it. The studio also had a display
box up towards the ceiling right behind the board which displayed a light if someone was at the front door, another light for the pattern change, another light if you had the sequencer turned on for the cart machines, another light if you had the mic 'on' and another light that flashed in conjunction with another light mounted to your right and up towards the ceiling that looked like a porch light that flashed when the carts hit the secondary tone and a relay underneath the board
that went click click click click or however many times the Production guy applied the secondary tone and terciary tone.
2 turntables to your right facing the windows and 2 ampex Reel to reels behing them and a whole wall of carts. EV RE 20 mics.
2 spindles for carts on either side of the board.
 
A friend of mine was the PD at WDOE in Dunkirk during the days when 'KB had the Bills games. 'KB's coverage didn't get there very well, so WDOE became an affiliate. Instead of paying for lines to carry the broadcasts, they parked their remote van under Niagara Mohawks big powerlines that ran right past the 'KB towers, and apparently picked up enough RF that the station was quite listenable under the powerlines at least as far as Dunkirk.

They used their Marti unit to relay the broadcast to WDOE for rebroadcast. All went well until the battery in the remote van went dead. The solution to that was to leave the remote van locked and running - unattended - a few miles from the station. Good thing gas was only about 35 cents a gallon in those days. According to him, they did this for at least one season.
 
jfrancispastirchak said:
Bill Myers said:
Mr. Savage --You should write a book...Your recollection in detail of the KB studios is fascinating. I was envisioning each detail as you described it.

"...Envisioning...": me too. So, how about a signed copy?

Hey, I get a signed copy first. I've got skin in the game.
 
Gee Wiz , please give me an honorable mention in the book for starting the thread !

Thanks to all that contributed to answering my questions about THE BIG KB.
If you come up with more good stuff please share it.

Growing up in NJ on those cold winter nights,I loved the KB weather forecast with LAKE EFFECT SNOW ,VERY COLD TEMPS & BRIEF SNOW SQUALLS.
And most of all . . . PULSE BEAT NEWS !!!!!

Al
 
Speaking of Pulse Beat News, KB is the only station I ever heard do news at :15 and :45. As for the news guys I always enjoyed listening to Henry Brock.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
Speaking of Pulse Beat News, KB is the only station I ever heard do news at :15 and :45. As for the news guys I always enjoyed listening to Henry Brock.

Correction Henry Brach.
 
Growing up in Buffalo in the 50s and 60s these were the radio people I listened to, admired, and was inspired by...a leading factor in me getting into the business 40 years ago.
 
Penrod Rightout said:
Growing up in Buffalo in the 50s and 60s these were the radio people I listened to, admired, and was inspired by...a leading factor in me getting into the business 40 years ago.

A K-Big DITTO!
 
Savage said:
Henry Brach, John Zach, Irv Weinstein, Tom Downey - all great talents in the Pulse Beat Newsroom.
RCS, it appears we're each other's editors ;) Joe Downey. Huge voice. Big man, Great guy. He was a print journalist from Olean before joining KB and later returned to his home town. I was told he also did radio news at WHDL Olean. Add Don Lancer and Jim Fagan to the list of Pulse Beat News icons.

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Students of the written word should savor Savage's description in post #12, a vivid assessment of the environment inside 1430 Main Street. The building was a barn and looked every bit from the side views. The attic leaked, but was a treasure trove of K-Big memorabilia. The facade however, looked impressive, especially from the street. The interior of the building was made to look bigger thanks to a wall-to-wall, floor-to-ceiling mirror that was installed at the very end of the very narrow corridor that ran lengthwise down the center of the building.

As lore had it, the mirror was installed to "economically double the size of the building." Others said it was installed to boost jocks' image as they walked to the studios at the back of the building. (But what if one entered by way of the back door?) Sales guys often preened before the mirror, prior to leaving the building to visit a client.

Back to the Control Room.

By 1973, four ITC single play cart decks had been installed on a shelf atop the RCA BC8 in the K-Big Kontrol Room at 1430 Main Street. Big Cap-Ex splurge by CapCities, which should have invested an additional thousand dollars for two quick-start 12” Rusco or QRKs turntables, tonearms and solid state pre-amps (heck, Rek-O-Cuts would have been an improvement) ... but that might have killed the tech budget.

The older RCA cart decks to the operator’s lower left remained intact, wired to a single cart pot. The four ‘new’ ITCs were wired to another cart pot. As it was, eight cart decks were funneled into two pots on the BC8. Spiffy, eh.

Around 1971, CapCities splurged on a snazzy new thin line Audimax and Volumax, which were in an audio chain that included a Kahn Symmetra-Peak. I've read that a few engineers to this day very much like that Kahn box. The old mod monitor clicked and flashed behind the operator. It must have been set to 'detect' at 80% negative peaks because it was sometimes audible during all night newscasts.

The sweet RCA BK series mic which RCS notes had been replaced by an EV long neck uni-directional with a massive wind filter that reeked of stale tobacco. It was attached to a goose-neck mike stand which was propped up by a short piece of 2x4 that looked like a remnant from the Rocketship 7 set.

Every radio station at which I hung my Ticket (WBNY-FM, WMMJ, WDOE, WUSJ, WYSL 1400 and even WADD, 'the fish feeder') prior to my brief stint at KB had better studio and production room equipment. But not one of those stations had a 50 kw (Westinghouse) rig and antenna array that blasted RF over 17 states and two nations (and at times two continents.) None, save for WYSL 1400, had nearly the ratings and immense music influence of the time. Those who made it to 1430 Main Street gladly accepted the tradeoffs. It's one of the reasons we can lament the dumpy surroundings in threads like this. But make no mistake, each member of the K-Big staff did his best to make a silk purse from the sow’s ear and often succeeded.

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But wait! There's more! In the summer of 1995, another strange turn of radio fate occured when Rich Communications sold WGR and WWWS to Keymarket Communications, which also owned WWKB, WBEN, WKSE and WMJQ (now WTSS.) The K-Big control room at 695 Delaware Avenue 695 morphed into the WGR Newsradio 55 control room. Prior to WGR joining the fray, Kiss occupied the the former KB control room. When WGR and WWWS moved into an already cramped building, Kiss moved to a newly built studio on the other side of the second floor of 695 Delaware Avenue. IIRC, the sales staffs moved to an office complex in or near the Hyatt downtown.

The KB newsroom, which had, for the most part been dormant, again came to life as the WGR news room. The small KB News announce booth became the WGR talk studio, which at times generated bouts of claustrophobia among the WGR talkers. It could be especially tight and occasionally "aromatic" when guests dropped in, especially athletes.

Without the planning and preparation of Tom Atkins, Keymarket's Buffalo Director of Engineering at the time, and his staff of exceptional engineers assisted by a number of diligent board-ops from WGR, the transition from Franklin Street to Delaware Avenue could not have been accomplished anywhere near as smoothly. 'Twas a time.
 
And out on Big Tree Road, the art-moderne styled Westinghouse HG-50 (model year 1940) with its nickel-chrome bars, filigrees and handles kicked out an unbelieveably loud, clean, authoritative signal, even using the old tube-type Audimax-Volumax combination from the early 60s. When you walked into that transmitter gallery, you felt the power of 1940s high-power AM technology through the soles of your feet - the huge 5671 PA tubes being cooled by 15-horsepower electric blowers in the basement. Massive steel, brass and bakelite meters festooned the top fascia of this beast, lazily bouncing to the beat of the music. In the depths behind a copper-screened area behind the HG-50, components could be heard murmuring along with the modulation.

I am proud to be the owner of one of those panel meters from the historic K-Big Westinghouse, "LEFT PA BIAS," full scale being 2000 VDC. It lives on a shelf in my office. It's a little more than 6 inches square (yes - a PANEL METER) and about 4 inches deep, and on the standoff insulators on the back, a big mica cap is still mounted along with the stubs of solid copper cut when the transmitter was cut up and scrapped in the 1980s (tragic fallout from a heartbreaking power struggle of two engineering execs.) This meter weighs about 4 pounds. All this data is related just to give you a sense of the scale of this behemoth transmitter.

Out in the current WYSL transmitter gallery there's our 25kw Nautel AMPFET, and one of the PA modules - essentially an entire 1000-watt AM transmitter, 30 of which make up the rig - actually has a face smaller than one of the WKBW Westinghouse panel meters. (Of course the Nautel PA is much deeper than the meter is.)

We also operated from 1987 to 1993 with the General Radio modulation monitor JPB describes as flickering behind the operator at 1430 Main. When I acquired this monitor, all I had to do was wire a new 117VAC line cord and change the input range jumper so it would measure a 500-watt signal instead of 50kw. It had been idle for decades, and I literally did NOTHING to it to make it function perfectly (of course it was a little dusty and dirty, but that was it.) All the tubes were fine. Even the #47 meter lamps, percent modulation and carrier level, were good.

Sadly the WKBW General Radio 1931-A mod monitor was destroyed in the Good Friday 1993 fire here at WYSL. But it worked perfectly for 5 years.
 
I've been reading and enjoying this thread...was thinking about it again last night; the wife was out and I was listening to the launch of Z100, 30 years ago this week.

Scott Shannon and Co. had to be taking advantage of having no listeners that very first morning...some great bits but also a LOT of inside/industry humor. The execution ranged from very loose to too tight - elements over one another...not at all the production value you'd expect of a Top 40 station in the World's Biggest Market, even on its first day.

Didn't they do a few dry runs before the launch? Can't imagine they went cold...

Whatever the case, it made me wonder at one point how Malrite had outfitted the new Z100 studios (they were talking about new digs in the Empire State Building)...and in contrast, how 'KB, with its dated facilities and, was consistently well-executed.

JPB, I'd forgotten that Keymarket owned 'KB for a time. They own the Froggy franchise in my neck o' the woods.
 
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