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WKNR's nighttime signal range

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Buckeyes2001

How far from Cleveland can you guys hear WKNR at night? Here in Vermilion I hear KOA from Denver more often than WKNR at night. Does it come in well in Akron and Canton at night?
 
Buckeyes2001 said:
How far from Cleveland can you guys hear WKNR at night? Here in Vermilion I hear KOA from Denver more often than WKNR at night. Does it come in well in Akron and Canton at night?
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I HAVE heard WKNR at night in Lexington, KY, but it is extremely RARE. Surprisingly, I can hear them at mid-day in Central KY on my car radio when away from power lines, etc. KOA is a regular at night...sometimes coming in VERY CLEARLY. At night, I can also hear an oldies station on 850 (don't remember call sign) from Muskegan, MI and a gospel station from Alabama.
 
When WKNR still runs their daytime pattern before sunset, I can hear them interfere with 840 WHAS a bit here in Northern KY.
 
Southwest border of Summit and Medina County (Medina Line Rd., Reimer Rd. intersection) very clear in the evening but sometimes have to turn the radios a little.
 
At the intersection of Rt 82 & 83 in Eaton Twp (Lorain County) only 15 miles due west of their TX site in the winter, I've heard KOA very clearly many times with no trace of WKNR. The same in SW Medina county (near Lodi) in early morning right before the sunrise pattern change - a very clear KOA until 'KNR hits that 50kW switch, then they come BLASTING in.

At home in NW Medina county, WKNR is very poor to unlistenable at night, and I've heard KOA here as well turning the radio to null out WKNR (but it is fairly rare).

Buckeyes2001 said:
How far from Cleveland can you guys hear WKNR at night? Here in Vermilion I hear KOA from Denver more often than WKNR at night. Does it come in well in Akron and Canton at night?
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Seubenville is probably catching the SSE lobe that shoots through Akron and Canton. Medina County coverage is spotty. There's a narrow SW lobe that goes out towards Ashland, but if you're not on that narrow beam you won't get it. There was an effort afoot some years ago to move WKNR's site about 10 miles to the south that would improve coverge into Lorain and Medina counties. The NIMBY crowd got it nixed.
 
Here in Trumball county it's a mix of stations at night but most of the time it's KOA from Denver. The gospel station on 850 is from Birmingham, AL.
 
I've always had trouble getting WKNR-850 in Canton after dark..I always hope that the game is on 1220 when I want to listen to it, though when i'm home, the internet is always an option..

Kind of on topic, Entercom's WEEI in Boston (also on 850) just started airing the entire ESPN Network Schedule  as of last Friday-Now known as ESPN 850, while all local hosts and Celtics/Red Sox/Patriots programming remain on 93.7 FM..
 
WKNR runs 48,000 watts daytime, 4,700 watts at night....about 1/10th the daytime power. That's quite a bit less at night.

And, at night it's a 4-tower, "figure 8" shaped antenna pattern. Their main core coverage area at night/lobe is from the transmitter site to the north/northeast; a secondary coverage area south towards Akron, and a minor lobe straight east (towards the old Randall Park Mall area).

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WKNR&service=AM&status=L&hours=N
 
But there are huge holes in that coverage over heavily populated areas. Cuyahoga Falls, Stow or Kent are very weak areas. Go down Route 8 and you darn near lose them for a few miles before you hit downtown Akron and they come in strong again. Important east side towns are missed as well that are planted right in that eastern null. Chagrin Falls and Bainbridge, forget about it out toward Newberry.
 
Their daytime signal is really good. Went to Columbus the other day, and they were coming in like a local.

Nighttime is a big problem. As mentioned, they have to protect Boston to the east and Denver to the west so those directions cut very badly at night, plus the power drop.
 
In western NY (Rochester, Buffalo) 850 is a blank daytime, just getting a little splatter from adjacent channel CJBC in Toronto. At night it's a mess, with a low power regional station in the Finger Lakes region, WYLF, battling with 10 kW directional WKGE out of Johnstown, PA, WKNR out of Cleveland (getting there even on 5 kW night pattern from time to time), WEEI out of Boston leaking out every once in a while, and KOA occasionally showing up when everything else is quiet. It was even worse when CKVL out of Montreal was there, before its 850 signal went dark.
 
HHH said:
Their daytime signal is really good. Went to Columbus the other day, and they were coming in like a local.
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They occasional take phone calls from Columbus on the air. I heard Brenda say on the air last year to a Columbus listener that ""WKNR booms into Columbus during the daytime".
 
skiwest said:
Any chance they can get OK to use a little more power night to at least cover NE Ohio?
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Pretty much slim and none. As mentioned previously they have to protect stations in Denver, Boston, Johnstown, and Louisville. As mentioned earlier there was an attempt to move the towers to the south some years back. That wouldn't have gotten rid of the nulls, but would have placed them over less populated areas. Because of "environmental" issues that didn't happen. Their only hope now would be to use an FM translator to fill in some of the holes.
 
Bob1370 said:
In western NY (Rochester, Buffalo) 850 is a blank daytime, just getting a little splatter from adjacent channel CJBC in Toronto. At night it's a mess, with a low power regional station in the Finger Lakes region, WYLF, battling with 10 kW directional WKGE out of Johnstown, PA, WKNR out of Cleveland (getting there even on 5 kW night pattern from time to time), WEEI out of Boston leaking out every once in a while, and KOA occasionally showing up when everything else is quiet. It was even worse when CKVL out of Montreal was there, before its 850 signal went dark.
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WYLF is a daytimer, though it's been known to stay on the air at night and has even been cited by the FCC in the past, and it's quite listenable here in Brighton (SE suburban Rochester) most days. Agreed that it's a WKNR/WKGE mess here in Rochester most nights. WEEI has only showed up for me right around sunrise/sunset. KOA indeed pops in some winter nights.
 
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