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WKRZ Audio Processing circa 1982-83?

pdjames said:
One final but important footnote. We had special capstans installed in the turntables (remember those?) that we used to cart up the tunes. No slower than 48 on a 45 and I seem to remember wrapping splicing tape (remember that?) on them to hype it up faster on tunes I considered "draggy". If you heard the records on other stations ( or at home or on a jukebox) they sounded...slow and...wrong.
All those elements combined to give us a very distinctive sound. I guess it must have worked. we had great ratings. Made some people a lot of money, not yours truly Not a bit bitter, me. Honest.

Jim Rising


Hey, Jim...

Did you guys start carting tunes on KRZ right from the start of the format? It seems I remember some artifacts from 'needle drops' on the air in that '82-'83 time...

Around '87 in my TV days I purchased a bunch of carts (those bold blue-colored Audiopak AA-4s made by Capitol) from one of your suppliers... a guy (now deceased) named Myron (??) He mentioned that he sold carts to KRZ and Magic 93 at the time.

Also, was there any dynamic compression or noise reduction used when the music was carted to avoid sucking up all that extra tape hiss when it hit the mighty processing chain?
 
So many thoughts running around my head right now.

Chris O'Brien: Chris and I worked together at WARM for a couple years, then we did indeed "reunite" at WBRE briefly. Chris was in master on the second floor, so I didn't see all that much of him. In different guises, Chris may have spent some time at most every station in this market over twenty years or so. My first encounter with him was by name only back in 1973. He'd been working for WHPA in Honesdale and had some sort of blow-up with the GM and split, which opened up a job, which turned out to be my first job in radio. It would be years before we actually met. A good guy, a real character, a pleasure to work with.

"Rhinestone Cowboy": The song and the man both pretty much epitomized WARM's absurd music policy from the mid-70s until at least the mid-80s. There were far more charted songs WARM didn't play than it did. What had most of us pulling our hair out was that music selection made no sense, it followed no existing rules whatsoever, it was completely arbitrary. What might sum it up best is that WARM became more concerned about not offending its current listeners than it did about prospecting for another generation of listeners. In that process of stupidity, WARM lost all its listeners. And then there was WARM's oldies library. Perhaps the biggest disappointment of mine upon going to work at WARM was the discovery that what should have been a magnificent oldies library was instead a pitiful and limited collection of carts, backed up by an even more pitiful and limited collection of original 45s. The real tragedy was that there was a weekly culling of that library by a certain PD, who would then bulk the cart after pulling it from the control room rack. Thinking about it still makes me sick.

FM Cable Feeds: Once upon a time I lived in Williamsport, working for a truly great little radio station, WWPA. WWPA came to be known as TWIN W Radio, and in time, simply The TWIN. While at the TWIN, an engineer once told me that the local cable company had a couple dozen "out of town" FM signals available on a sub-carrier, that the cable company used to offer them at a nominal charge but had stopped selling the service because of very limited interest. Unknown to most, the sub-carrier and the signals were still there on the cable. Out if idle curiosity I ran my TV co-ax into my amp/receiver by some temporary homemade wiring tangle, and sure enough, there were a pile of Philly, NYC, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore FMs. Curiosity satisfied, I never listened to them.

Cash Call:
Did any station NOT do Cash Call, or a variation of the same? Surely some will remember the famous Cash Call made by a very famous radio personality hereabouts, during which the term "blow dry" somehow didn't come out quite right. Who's got a copy? I know they're out there.

Myron??: "Myron" would have to be Milan Krupa, local purveyor of used radio equipment.

OK, thoughts no longer running around in head, back to work!

P.S. Jim, you sell yourself way too short, old buddy, way too short...
 
JimPastrick said:
Threads like this are a hoot. Love 'em for so many reasons. Greetings from the Buffalo Niagara Fall Rochester board, as I add my 37 cents. Years ago, when I was Prod Director of 97 Rock Buffalo, we had a horde of Pennsylvania guys who left their marks on the station. George Hawras and The Bearman (from the ABE market) came to town and two PA engineers coincidentally arrived named Victor Michael and Lynn Deppen. They were responsible for some of the best home-brewed tri-band, pre-Orban processing I've ever heard.

Could Victor Michael be the son of Vic Michael who was part owner of the legendary WMLP in the 1970s? Vic Michael came from the Scranton area. His son was also into radio in the 70s, so I am wondering fi it is teh father or the son?

WMLP was were George Gilbert used to like to take rides down to that area.There he found Bill Stuart and also Bill (WVIA) Kelly. Both worked there many years apart. Kelly used todrop in at MLP every now and then word has it. To Milton, PA...Scranton/Wilkes-Barre was the "big" time. Kelly was on the MLP news intro's work years after heading to WARM.
 
GG often cruised the corridor from Harrisburg to Williamsport in search of talent. The story once held that GG came across me on one such trip and called me with a job offer.

There were alternate versions of the story, one of which had George hearing someone on WMLP and offering them the job, which they refused but then told GG that I was looking at the time. True? Don't know for sure.

The other alternate story, the one I believe to be true, is that Susquehanna had done a talent search to which I had responded with a T&R, which York had liked, subsequently recommending me to WARM when they had an opening.

WMLP was once a great station, as was The TWIN, which I mentioned in a previous post.
 
A discussion about KRZ's awesome processing would not be complete without mentioning former Chief Engineer Rob Thomas. He had an ear for processing. So much so that his nickname around the radio ranch was "opti-Rob"! Sometimes when it comes to processing, it's art form! Rob was an artist!

More history, Rob was Victor Michael 's brother-in-law. In fact, he left KRZ in 2000 to join Victor in Wyoming where they made radio history together. Rob was killed at a transmitter site in Colorado almost 5 years ago. But he will never be forgotten!
 
Re: Rob Thomas

Wow, I had NO clue that Rob had passed away. He was a great guy (even after I left KRZ, when I saw him, he called me "Spyder" - always got a kick out of that) and even helped me get the mast raised on the WDLS van when we were both at a remote site. A true class act...
 
warmland said:
JimPastrick said:
.....Two PA engineers coincidentally arrived named Victor Michael and Lynn Deppen. They were responsible for some of the best home-brewed tri-band, pre-Orban processing I've ever heard.
Could Victor Michael be the son of Vic Michael who was part owner of the legendary WMLP in the 1970s? Vic Michael came from the Scranton area. His son was also into radio in the 70s, so I am wondering fi it is teh father or the son?
I think you're right, Warmland. At WGR-WGRQ, Vic (as we called the son) talked about his dad being an engineer and in radio. IIRC (it's been a while) he also put a station on the air in Towanda, PA (not to be confused with Tonawanda, NY.) Tragic, what happened to Rob Thomas. I did not know he was Vic's BIL, nor did I know he died at a tranmsitter site until a few weeks ago when I was assisting a friend working on a 20kW FM rig. My friend kept reminding (nagging) me to "use the shorting bar and keep tappin' the caps," taking nothing for granted. He cited Rob's death at the transmitter site. Very sad. It also doesn't hurt to have a big, long wooden hockey stick around in case you have to pull someone from the PA cavity. Never hurts to take precautions.
 
PDJames was the king of programming back in those days. He knew what worked and how to get it done. It was a pleasure to work under his command.
 
JimPastrick said:
warmland said:
JimPastrick said:
.....Two PA engineers coincidentally arrived named Victor Michael and Lynn Deppen. They were responsible for some of the best home-brewed tri-band, pre-Orban processing I've ever heard.
Could Victor Michael be the son of Vic Michael who was part owner of the legendary WMLP in the 1970s? Vic Michael came from the Scranton area. His son was also into radio in the 70s, so I am wondering fi it is teh father or the son?
I think you're right, Warmland. At WGR-WGRQ, Vic (as we called the son) talked about his dad being an engineer and in radio. IIRC (it's been a while) he also put a station on the air in Towanda, PA (not to be confused with Tonawanda, NY.) Tragic, what happened to Rob Thomas. I did not know he was Vic's BIL, nor did I know he died at a tranmsitter site until a few weeks ago when I was assisting a friend working on a 20kW FM rig. My friend kept reminding (nagging) me to "use the shorting bar and keep tappin' the caps," taking nothing for granted. He cited Rob's death at the transmitter site. Very sad. It also doesn't hurt to have a big, long wooden hockey stick around in case you have to pull someone from the PA cavity. Never hurts to take precautions.

Speaking of Towanda. There was a radio engineer by the name of Paul Kelly. Paul worked at WSCR and WBAX and was for a time Chief of Merv Griffin Group Radio. I heard but was never able to confirm that Paul died of electrocution years back. Paul was married to the former Traffic Director of WBAX and later WARM. Does anyone know the story on Paul? he was one of the great engineers he even built the great slider board WBAX had back in the 1970s.
 
Paul Kelly died quite some time ago, I'd speculate at least ten years back. I am near certain he was not electrocuted, that his death was not job-related related in any way. Paul's wife, Molly, was indeed WARM's traffic manager. Really, really nice people.
 
Rob Thomas was one of the best engineers I ever worked with but with no disrespect to his memory he was nowhere in sight when we put together that audio chain in the early 80's. I have to guess that Rob came into the picture when Keymarket bought the joint, several owners downstream from my first tour of duty there.
I did work with Rob when I did mornings on Froggy and he was an amazing engineer and a hell of a fun guy to go drinking with. A tremendous loss to broadcasting.

We did not go all cart at KRZ until we moved to the old Red Cross Blood Bank building on South Franklin street. A story in itself that building was. When we first looked at it it had a sink in almost every room-it was a blood lab after all. It had been shut up for a while and we looked at in the dead of winter. To make it more attractive to us ( ! ) they had the heat turned on a few days before we went in. Every sink in the place, every water pipe had burst and as we opened the door we were greeted by Agnes the second. Perfect!

When the station ended up in Frank Osbourne's control (Beatrice Broadcasting-Beatrice was an Aunt I think) his corporate buddy engineer came in was appalled by the gear we using. Built us brand new studios and a cool McCurdy console. He insisted we do the Dolby thing on the carts which meant we had to re-record the entire library. I never thought much of it ( Dolby) it was a PIA to keep aligned and at some point they scrapped it. Meaning the library had to be redone AGAIN.

On that McCurdy console two legends are around, both true. When it was delivered Tom Sommers (there is a story there, Tom was a legend himself in many ways) and myself carried it up the stairs and I managed to drop it half way up. The dent in the base was visible to those who knew where to look even when it was moved and used at the new joint in Pittston.

Second true story is that the first day we put it on the air I was first to use it. I carefully put my coffee down on the copy stand, tried to adjust the mic which was unknown to me tied to said copy stand and the entire coffee spilled into the mic channel of the NEW MCCURDY BOARD. I did the first half hour without opening the mic while Tommy (a book in and of himself, believe me!) dried it out with a hair dryer.

The above goes to whoever wrote : PDJames was the king of programming back in those days. He knew what worked and how to get it done. It was a pleasure to work under his command.

I may have had some lucky breaks but I MORE that made up for them in stupid moves and bad thinking. And still and yet we had fun, made some great radio and made others a lot of money.

If I thought for a minute that I could do it without it:

A: Being far too inside for general interest

B: Without being sued

I would write the book on those days. The stuff you have heard falls into two categories. Lies and fabrications and the truth. Most of the lies and outright fabrications are not nearly as interesting as the truth. As Rusty Fender would say" You can't make this stuff up!"
 
Just, if you don't mind, leave my name out of any books or movies. It's more comfortable sleeping in a bed than a stratolounger. Thank you very much!
pdjames...you are the man!
 
PDJames, thanks for the answers to all my strange questions about about KRZ...

And thank you also (I think) for my strange audio processing fetish that KRZ's home-brewed mondo-compressor has inspired.

For nearly three decades, I have bought and wired together various pieces of used and new audio gear in search of the 'perfect' sound.

It's all brought me to the current status of having an Aphex Compellor with Texar Prisms and an Optimod 8100A in my dining room (yes, the place where the family is supposed to EAT) feeding a fraction-of-a-watt Part 15 FM transmitter.

We may not go very far, but we sure sound LOUD!!! ;D

It all gives me a smile when the neighbors down the street (who I told to listen) actually THOUGHT they were mistakenly listening to a real commercial station! The only giveaway was my 12-year old stepdaughter's unprocessed voice yapping the weather forecast into the RE-20. Come to think of it, I need to get some processing for that, too!
 
when using EQs ahead of compressors, how much gain or reduction was used? For example did you have the first two bands cranked up and then decrease each one by 3db?
 
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