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Partimer, these people aren't programming to the 5 businesses left in downtown Washington, they are programming to themselves.
Radio is an ever changing, evolving medium. If you don't keep up with the times you get left in the dust. This is a classic example of two people who got into the radio business late in life and after 18 years apparently haven't learned very much.
All I can say is somebody must have had deep pockets to stay in it that long. That's a lot of overhead to eat month after month, year after year.
It's tough to compete in broadcasting even when you are on top of the game.
You know there are a lot of small market operations like this one though, people who listen to the radio all their life and say to themselves, I can do that...I think I'll buy a radio station.
 
Zipperhead said:
Partimer, these people aren't programming to the 5 businesses left in downtown Washington, they are programming to themselves.
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THAT is the most on-target statement in this entire thread.....
 
Parttimer said:
I don't dispute that you can make that kind of money on a tape-delayed game. But I think it's the absolute worst radio you can put on the air. I'd actually rather hear the medical shows on 620, the Frankie Day show sponsored by Frankie Day and his sponsors, or a religious teaching broadcast before I'd listen to that. If you have to resort to tape delayed games you should turn in the license.

Ken, you work for a successful small-town operation that does obits and ultra-local stuff. However Butler is further away from the metro than this is.... Peters Township and its affluent population are 5 minutes from these towers. Southpointe is one exit away. The Meadows is right around the corner. Quit programming to the 5 businesses left in Downtown Washington.

I think you can come up with something more upscale, and structure it so that only 8AM-5PM year-round matters.

If someone is going to fix this facility, doing so to run tape-delayed basketball games is an extremely poor investment.

And frankly, the more we hear about this story, the worse it gets.... owners who are apparently behind the times, have been misled, had people try to ruin them... wow.
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History has proven that if you offer programming to listeners that’s saleable and not available elsewhere, they’ll listen. The games that JPA isn’t doing is a great example of this. You’re not only making money, but you’re also visible and providing a community service. A lot more than what’s being done now.

If you want to program this to a more affluent audience, you better be prepared to market the living daylights of it and then some. That alone is going to take deep pockets. I think by doing the classic example of what a full-service local AM station should be, you’ll do fine. Especially if you’re a hands-on operator that’s not afraid to work, and you can’t find many of those these days.

Getting back to the games, I was referring more to football than basketball, since football is obviously an easier sell. Do football first and then go from there, depending on its success. JPA even airs high school wrestling…one of the last sports I would ever expect to be on the radio (WANB did wresting too for a bit). But it makes money.
 
Zipperhead said:
Partimer, these people aren't programming to the 5 businesses left in downtown Washington, they are programming to themselves.
Radio is an ever changing, evolving medium. If you don't keep up with the times you get left in the dust. This is a classic example of two people who got into the radio business late in life and after 18 years apparently haven't learned very much.
All I can say is somebody must have had deep pockets to stay in it that long. That's a lot of overhead to eat month after month, year after year.
It's tough to compete in broadcasting even when you are on top of the game.
You know there are a lot of small market operations like this one though, people who listen to the radio all their life and say to themselves, I can do that...I think I'll buy a radio station.
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Yea, but its still fun to dream and whats the harm in that...
 
On Wed 7/29 @ 12:00 noon. I picked up the WKZV signal Loud and clear, On a Delco Car Radio from Century three mall through Hazelwood on 2nd ave to st. Rosiala Church on Greenfield Ave. befor I lost the Signal. They ran a spot for Deans water. Of Course It was Pouring down rain.
 
A Thought. Do you Think WJPA would be Interested in WKZV? They Carry alot of local events, along with the Pirates, Steelers, Wildthings. Durning DayLight Hours More air time would be available. Then on Sundays Jim Dudas Could do Mon Valley Memories on WJPA FM. And the Wildthings would be on WKZV. I heard The owners were interested in WESA
940/98.3 . Maybe they would try WKZV.
 
PHIL Z said:
A Thought. Do you Think WJPA would be Interested in WKZV? They Carry alot of local events, along with the Pirates, Steelers, Wildthings. Durning DayLight Hours More air time would be available. Then on Sundays Jim Dudas Could do Mon Valley Memories on WJPA FM. And the Wildthings would be on WKZV. I heard The owners were interested in WESA
940/98.3 . Maybe they would try WKZV.
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I think it would be beneficial. JPA has a successful track record and the know-how it takes to make a radio station a true success story. However, they would NOT overpay. I know that they were seriously considering the acquisition of WESA-AM/FM at the start of the century and the Resicks wanted WAY too much money. It would have to have an attractive price tag, the willingness of ownership to make the monetary commitment to improving the technical end of it, and of course, the profit potential necessary to make it all worthwhile.

They have ample room in their current facility to put in another studio and run it out of the same building, which will be necessary. W & J College own the building it's in now, and they want KZV out of there so they can knock it down and expand their campus. But naturally, you can't up and move a radio station on a whim, and Mike and Helen have a good bit of time left on that lease.

What they would do with it, I don't know. I never knew the boss that well enough to know what was going on inside his head.
 
With 1110 only being a daytimer, they wouldn't help much with the conflicts. JPA is simulcasting the FM on weekdays already.
 
Parttimer said:
First off, WJPA is 95.3 and 1450. 98.3 is Froggy in Pittsburgh, 940 is a Pickle simulcast (can we do something... ANYTHING... about the Pickle concept???...please???... ), they're Keymarket properties.

Aside from that, with 1110 only being a daytimer, they wouldn't help much with the conflicts. JPA is simulcasting the FM on weekdays already.
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I'm gonna defer comment on that.
 
Parttimer said:
BTW I misread phil's post about 98.3 and 940.... but we still need to make the Pickle go away...... now......
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All I'll really say about The Pickle is that if it hadn't been for Keymarket, 99.3 might still be off the air.
 
You are all assuming that Helen wants to sell her station and there has been a lot of speculation concerning that here, I am not convinced that she does.
 
Zipperhead said:
You are all assuming that Helen wants to sell her station and there has been a lot of speculation concerning that here, I am not convinced that she does.
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If they don't then I'm REALLY confused..... what are they going to do, just sit there until it's totally non-functional?

Or is Chapter 11 their exit strategy?
 
Totally non-functional, which may be near, or till the money runs out!
Hey don't knock it, some people spend it on the Casino, bingo or cruises.
Other's pour it down a radio rat-hole.
Whatever spins your wheels.
 
I met with Helen when we were repairing her xmtr. She really wants out! She said she will take what she can get. I suggested leasing it to W&J and let the marketing students sell the station and the communications majors could program it. She would be better off making a couple thou per month rather than loosing more than that.

As part of the deal the College would purchase a new xmtr. They could use the existing college studios and T1 the pgm. to the tower site.
 
Parttimer said:
W&J already has a non-comm FM, in fact it's 950 watts on 91.7....why would they need to spend money for this?

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/url?call=WNJR&band=FM&service=FM
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Actually, I'm glad you asked this question, Parttimer. It's actually a good opportunity for them to do so, and here's why:

WTTF in Tiffin, Ohio is a commercial-band AM station that is the full-service station serving Seneca County, about 45 minutes southeast of Toledo. It was recently sold to another owner who is donating the station to Heidelberg College as a gift. The college intends to run it as it's been run in the past, as a full-service radio station serving the people of Seneca County since 1959.

Heidelberg College has a non-comm FM, which they intend to keep as the typical college radio station. WTTF on the other hand will be part of the college's new radio management course, which trains students to be GM's, GSM's, and PD's, not jocks.

This is done by running WTTF like a "real" radio station, with real numbers, budgets, revenue, and everything relevant to the operations of a for-profit station. W & J could very well do the same thing with this.
 
Zipperhead said:
You are all assuming that Helen wants to sell her station and there has been a lot of speculation concerning that here, I am not convinced that she does.
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Honestly, having talked with Helen in the past, I don't think she really wants to sell. She had even said in a Post-Gazette article some time ago that she wishes that she had gotten into the radio business earlier than she did. But I think she's at the point now where her physical and financial health aren't going to permit her to hold onto it anymore. I talked to Mike last week, and he himself was laid up for six months. That man ain't goin' down without a fight, let me tell you. God bless them both for trying, but I think it's just time to get out.
 
It's too bad that they probably need to get some money from selling it, because donating it is likely the best solution... similar to when the former WKPA in New Ken (now WBGN) was donated to Loran Mann's church.
 
Parttimer said:
It's too bad that they probably need to get some money from selling it, because donating it is likely the best solution... similar to when the former WKPA in New Ken (now WBGN) was donated to Loran Mann's church.
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Well, that was a different situation. With Salem being as large as it was (even back then before deregulation), the tax break it yielded got them far more money than they would have received had they sold it outright. I don't think Mike and Helen would benefit at all by donating the station to the college. That would depend on how they're set up...as a proprietorship, LLC, corporation, whatever.
 
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