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kenhawk1160 said:
If you brought back a satellite, you'd better have enough local content to offset it...like local news, sports, public affairs and/or talk. You put it on the bird and expect it to do all the work, you might as well turn off the lights, lock the door, and mail the license back to the FCC.

You want some great examples of how to do satellite right, listen to WDAD, WMBS and WCNS. They are by far, the best...and most importantly...PROFITABLE.

You are absolutely correct. It CAN work IF it IS done CORRECTLY.
You are going to have a newsman anyhow in the studio probably from 5-9AM being you want to keep local on up to the minute news, and he can go live at anytime should the need arise. Mid day can be total bird, maybe with a top of the hour news update at noon which was pre recorded before the news guy went out to cover some stories for the next day.

I am not really too familiar with that area out there, and being it would be more of a "serve the locals" station, you would have to look at what the needs are of the community.

For example, when I was at WKMC, which was a little AM daytimer (5K) in Roaring Spring, the studios ran out of the same building as WHPA FM in Hollidaysburg. Of course this is when you had to have an op in the building at all times. The AM carried the SMN big band/oldies format and the FM had the SMN AC format. One person babysat both stations all times .as both were strictly bird, no live programming except for special events.

The newsguy came in at 5AM Mon thru Sat and gathered the news and such for both stations. He recorded the news each hour for the FM on cart and would do the news live on the AM. Now on the FM, it was just a 3 minute news, sports, weather, etc, update at the top of each hour from 6AM to 9AM and then at noon, but on the AM it was more intense. The folks who listened to the AM wanted to know who was admitted to the hospital and who died, so he would do the "hospital report" and "obituary report" in the extended news at noon, plus the farmers report of what the daily price was going for on animals, etc. Oh yeah, so much fun!

On Saturdays on the AM, you would have the "trading post" for an hour or two where folks could call in and sell their items, and on Sunday mornings, the church services. Bird at all other times.

Basically the only time the FM went live was for live remotes or if the bird went down. That is it!.

Now on both the FM and AM, the liners that played throughout the shifts were geared to the "local area" making comments to places and events. In addition, there were also weather liners from each jock that could be put into rotation at anytime. Also, 24 hours a day, the op on duty had to record a 5 second liner with the current time and weather outside that played at 3 min 30 sec past the hour. It was to give the audience a more "local" feel.

Both stations were locally owned and operated and they did make very good money. The owner (Lou Maierhofer) even went out and sold as well as the 5 or 6 other ones he had working. They were the only stations in the area that were in a really nice building and looked classy. Heck, the building even had racquetball courts and a hot tub/steam room in it.

So it can work if it is done correctly. Here was an AM serving a very rural area with an older demographic that provided more local product and a FM that worked on a "more music, less interruption" idea with hardly any local product.
 
clangham said:
You are going to have a newsman anyhow in the studio probably from 5-9AM being you want to keep local on up to the minute news, and he can go live at anytime should the need arise. Mid day can be total bird, maybe with a top of the hour news update at noon which was pre recorded before the news guy went out to cover some stories for the next day.

They're a daytimer with no pre-sunrise, so you'd have to build a businees plan that's focused on an 8A-5P schedule year round.

clangham said:
I am not really too familiar with that area out there, and being it would be more of a "serve the locals" station, you would have to look at what the needs are of the community.


WJPA alreadty really does a good job with the Washington local stuff and they are 24 hours. I think you need to focus on the newer Peters/Strabane/Southpoint environment.

I'm not sure you couldn't hire Lynn Cullen and Doug Hoerth here for year-round 9AM-3PM programming, if you could get a complementary signal north of the metro for a simulcast.

I just think you can do better than taped high school sports.
 
I agree with you Part. Whoever tries this will require about 6 month's operating capital, since they won't generate much revenue for at least 3 months.

Meanwhile, their Tech Guy and I will do all we can to keep the xmtr. running. Pro Bono, of course.
 
I forgot to mention in my last post that WKMC went to low power around 6PM and it has been too long to remember, but unless you lived next to the towers, you could not listen to it after sundown. It signed off around 8 or 9 PM IIRC.
 
clangham said:
I forgot to mention in my last post that WKMC went to low power around 6PM and it has been too long to remember, but unless you lived next to the towers, you could not listen to it after sundown.

38 watts.

C.
 
cingram said:
clangham said:
I forgot to mention in my last post that WKMC went to low power around 6PM and it has been too long to remember, but unless you lived next to the towers, you could not listen to it after sundown.

38 watts.

C.

That's what the light bulb in the refrigerator has.
 
clangham said:
You are absolutely correct. It CAN work IF it IS done CORRECTLY.
You are going to have a newsman anyhow in the studio probably from 5-9AM being you want to keep local on up to the minute news, and he can go live at anytime should the need arise. Mid day can be total bird, maybe with a top of the hour news update at noon which was pre recorded before the news guy went out to cover some stories for the next day.

I am not really too familiar with that area out there, and being it would be more of a "serve the locals" station, you would have to look at what the needs are of the community.

For example, when I was at WKMC, which was a little AM daytimer (5K) in Roaring Spring, the studios ran out of the same building as WHPA FM in Hollidaysburg. Of course this is when you had to have an op in the building at all times. The AM carried the SMN big band/oldies format and the FM had the SMN AC format. One person babysat both stations all times .as both were strictly bird, no live programming except for special events.

The newsguy came in at 5AM Mon thru Sat and gathered the news and such for both stations. He recorded the news each hour for the FM on cart and would do the news live on the AM. Now on the FM, it was just a 3 minute news, sports, weather, etc, update at the top of each hour from 6AM to 9AM and then at noon, but on the AM it was more intense. The folks who listened to the AM wanted to know who was admitted to the hospital and who died, so he would do the "hospital report" and "obituary report" in the extended news at noon, plus the farmers report of what the daily price was going for on animals, etc. Oh yeah, so much fun!

On Saturdays on the AM, you would have the "trading post" for an hour or two where folks could call in and sell their items, and on Sunday mornings, the church services. Bird at all other times.

Basically the only time the FM went live was for live remotes or if the bird went down. That is it!.

Now on both the FM and AM, the liners that played throughout the shifts were geared to the "local area" making comments to places and events. In addition, there were also weather liners from each jock that could be put into rotation at anytime. Also, 24 hours a day, the op on duty had to record a 5 second liner with the current time and weather outside that played at 3 min 30 sec past the hour. It was to give the audience a more "local" feel.

Both stations were locally owned and operated and they did make very good money. The owner (Lou Maierhofer) even went out and sold as well as the 5 or 6 other ones he had working. They were the only stations in the area that were in a really nice building and looked classy. Heck, the building even had racquetball courts and a hot tub/steam room in it.

So it can work if it is done correctly. Here was an AM serving a very rural area with an older demographic that provided more local product and a FM that worked on a "more music, less interruption" idea with hardly any local product.

Ah...I still hear stories about the legendary KMC! This is one of them! Good post!
 
Thanks Ken!

Clarke, I can't remember because it has been 20+ years ago, but I am thinking the power may have been a little higher at night than it is now.

I know that transmitter power use to be gradually decreased from around 5 PM till sign off (of course that varied on time of year). It got to the point that you had to flip and listen to the studio inhouse monitor to hear it. IIRC, Lou had applied to run 24 hours at a lower output?

For some reason, I also thought it had 3 towers back then. I never was at the tower site more than once. I think there were some changes made when Cary Simpson (AMN) bought it and also when Dave barger (Handsome Bros) bought it recently.

Again, it has been a long time and my mind is a little blank. :eek:
 
Do think we could talk the government into starting a "cash for clunkers" program for radio stations. This one would certainly qualify.
 
Zipperhead said:
Do think we could talk the government into starting a "cash for clunkers" program for radio stations. This one would certainly qualify.

Actually, I think there is a tax break for companies that turn in their AM licenses. I'm not sure what the terms are, though.
 
I'm meeting with a group who may be interested in an LMA with WKZV. It's a long shot since they would have to make some investment in equipment, etc. They are experienced radio people though and understand the risks.
 
With better equipment and breaking out of the old thinking that's it a local Wshington station, the facilty has some potential.
 
? I was told that WASP 1130 and WKZV 1110 in order to coexist, Had to Direct their signals, Now that WASP has reduced power to 1,000 Watts Non Directional can WKZV go 1,000 Non Directional also?
 
WASP was 1,000 CR. Non Directional. I was told they Droped the 5 kw, so they were non directional all day as some of their property was claimed for the new Turnpike. I think WASP signed on first.
 
hypwr said:
I'm meeting with a group who may be interested in an LMA with WKZV. It's a long shot since they would have to make some investment in equipment, etc. They are experienced radio people though and understand the risks.

If they know the risks involved and are prepared to deal with a challenge like this, God bless them. I wish them the best of luck. Hope they can do it.
 
Parttimer said:
Zipperhead said:
Partimer, these people aren't programming to the 5 businesses left in downtown Washington, they are programming to themselves.


THAT is the most on-target statement in this entire thread.....


like back when WNUF was programming Glen Miller to the golf course...
 
kenhawk1160 said:
WTTF in Tiffin, Ohio is a commercial-band AM station that is the full-service station serving Seneca County, about 45 minutes southeast of Toledo. It was recently sold to another owner who is donating the station to Heidelberg College as a gift. The college intends to run it as it's been run in the past, as a full-service radio station serving the people of Seneca County since 1959.

There's a lot more to this story, of course.

The "new owner" is not just anyone, he's syndicated morning talk radio host Doug Stephan ("Good Day")...who is a Heidelberg alum. He's also a trustee on the college's board, I believe, and very active with his former college even today.

The plan won't go into full effect for another year or two. In the meantime, WTTF is still being operated by the company which sold it to Stephan, BAS Broadcasting (a local outlet which now owns a bunch of stations in the North Central/Northwest Ohio area)., under an LMA...until such time that Stephan will take over and then donate WTTF to Heidelberg.

Before all of this, WTTF was one of the eight-gazillion small Clear Channel stations in the region. BAS picked up most of 'em.

Anyway, it's all a very good plan - use it educationally, to train students, yet operate it as a commercial station serving the public. Doesn't KOMU-TV in Missouri work this way?
 
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