For every Eydie Gorme, there's many folks like Paris Hilton who has sold a stellar 100,000 copies of her cd.cARLOS Blake said:Yeah, I have to agree, Mariah Carey or Christina Aguilera have nothing on Eydie Gorme or Ethyl Ennis, they both had so many chart toppers() Blame it on the Bossa Nova made it all the way up to #7 !
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kirkiefan
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HighFreq said:For every Eydie Gorme, there's many folks like Paris Hilton who has sold a stellar 100,000 copies of her cd.cARLOS Blake said:Yeah, I have to agree, Mariah Carey or Christina Aguilera have nothing on Eydie Gorme or Ethyl Ennis, they both had so many chart toppers(
PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE(forgive me JB..God rest his soul) enough of the premeditated Paris Hilton hype...we're talking ARTISTS not overkill of the Paris/Britney/Jessica socialite stuff.
I was up in Sandusky in the summer of 2004 and I listened to WLEC while I was taking my son home after working a summer at Cedar Point and although I'm not a fan of adult standards(I'm an oldies person) there must be a haven for the older adults. I remember my Uncle Alfred listening to WJR,Detoit for his music while me and my cousin John were cranking up Top 40 on "The Big 8" while on vacation at Middle Bass Island back in the day.
Us baby boomers and our parents cannot relate to "new rock" or shock jocks or Rush Limbaugh or Bill O' Reilly flaunting their arrogance as if their freaking feces doesn't stink.
We want to be entertained....and informed .....NOT shocked or schlocked by tabloidized brand name "if you buy this..you'll buy ANYTHING" hilljack idiom targeted corporate radio.
CC has the Sandusky cluster up for sale...this is an opporitunity for the Northshore buisiness community to take back what is rightfully theirs....I trust they will keep the tourists (and the locals) satisfied by bringing local radio back to sanity and being the community citizen and public trustee it was originally intentioned to be.
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kirkiefan
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As for the standards,I can only hope that enough people can rally together to bring the genre back.
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alans
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Re: WLEC 1450 AM AMEN TO THAT KIRKIE.........
I Hope those with the power and I know they probably check-out the broadcasting blogs will FINALLY WAKE-UP and bring the standards back.As earlier on the computer AM880 KIXI is a wonderful station and that's what N.E.OHIO NEED A MIX OF GLENN MILLER,PAUL ANKA,MICHAEL BUBLE,ETC,THE OLD WRMR STANDARDS IN THE VAIN OF RANDLE,REESE AND DAVIS,Once a week is not enough on 1420 with Mike Young and WAKR THE SELECTION OF MUSIC IS A TRAIN WRECK.WKHR 91.5 ONLY PLAYS MUSIC OF THE 30'S THRU THE EARLY 50'S WITH A LOT OF CRAPPY JAZZ THE AUDIENCE THEY WANT IS 75 TO DEATH SO REALLY NOT A GOOD OPTION AND NOT A GREAT STATION.
I Hope those with the power and I know they probably check-out the broadcasting blogs will FINALLY WAKE-UP and bring the standards back.As earlier on the computer AM880 KIXI is a wonderful station and that's what N.E.OHIO NEED A MIX OF GLENN MILLER,PAUL ANKA,MICHAEL BUBLE,ETC,THE OLD WRMR STANDARDS IN THE VAIN OF RANDLE,REESE AND DAVIS,Once a week is not enough on 1420 with Mike Young and WAKR THE SELECTION OF MUSIC IS A TRAIN WRECK.WKHR 91.5 ONLY PLAYS MUSIC OF THE 30'S THRU THE EARLY 50'S WITH A LOT OF CRAPPY JAZZ THE AUDIENCE THEY WANT IS 75 TO DEATH SO REALLY NOT A GOOD OPTION AND NOT A GREAT STATION.
alans, KIXI on the web does a good job with the standards. They mix in the Michael Buble, Billy Joel, and others with the Engelbert and Tom Jones stuff. It's very listenable.
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alans
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Re: WLEC 1450 AM High Freq Imagine .......
If Cleveland had a KIXI 880 it would be wonderful,right now WAKR 1590 is trying but the music flow is truly a disaster,hopefully they'll get a clue soon.
If Cleveland had a KIXI 880 it would be wonderful,right now WAKR 1590 is trying but the music flow is truly a disaster,hopefully they'll get a clue soon.
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cARLOS Blake
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The swingin' elderly nostalgic coctail lounge Kit-Kat Club music is gone from 1450 for the same reason Z-ROCK didn't last on 107.3 in the later 80's in Elyria. You can only push so much prune juice & Depends & Bubble Yum & Oxy. WLEC could easily take back the listeners they had in the 70's 80's & early 90's instead of those numbers being the target audience! The Light Easy Classics was a great format people could actually leave on in their kitchen while having lunch listening to Carl Bates do "Point of Law", Dave James do the Noon News Hour, hear some Carly Simon, Bread, Billy Paul & the Drifters & even hear a little old CKLW flavor with some Phoebe Snow, Gordon Lightfoot & the Three Degrees. They used to actually even put prize winners on the air(that was back before the old battle axes would either complain about the prizes they won or be so confused they didn't even know what they won, using up all their energy dialing). When the "Standards" came along that killed off the "normal everyday" Erie County listening audience & unearthed the I Love You Porgy, Somethin' Smith & the Redheads & Julias LeRosa fans. : Whoever buys should really consider Light AC with a News/Sports feel instead of SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS.
Whoever buys should really consider Light AC with a News/Sports feel instead of SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS.
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tcsnrayp
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I never heard the station that "small c-ARLOS" describes. But I would say he nailed it. KIXI originates in Seattle and has decades of experience in proper Standards programming. Even back when they ran automated cart carosels and syndicated feeds they had a feel for the fine balance this format requires. One early programmer was Mike Webb who now does talk in the market.
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alans
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Can you imagine a KIXI in N.E.OHIO it would be awsome,be it at WLEC OR SOME STATION IN CLEVELAND,TOO BAD WAKR THUS FAR HAS BEEN A TRAIN WRECK.
WKHR 91.5 has never pretended to be a "classic pop standards" station in the traditional AM sense.
They are really a big-band-nostaligia-classic Americana station, which I find very unique and special.
By the way, I would much rather hear (ahem) "crappy jazz" like Louis Armstrong, Bix Beiderbeck and Louis Prima (all of which great artists, as opposed to simply "entertainers") than lightweight 60s-70s pop people like Vicci Carr, Anne Murray, Jack Jones, John Gary, and others like them.
They are really a big-band-nostaligia-classic Americana station, which I find very unique and special.
By the way, I would much rather hear (ahem) "crappy jazz" like Louis Armstrong, Bix Beiderbeck and Louis Prima (all of which great artists, as opposed to simply "entertainers") than lightweight 60s-70s pop people like Vicci Carr, Anne Murray, Jack Jones, John Gary, and others like them.
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alans
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Triple H WAKE-UP 91.5 WHILE TRUE THEY ARE A BIG BAND STATION WITH JAZZ THROWN IN ARE NOT GETTING IT AND YOU AREN'T TOO. Fact WRMR UNDER BOB CONRAD OF WCLV TRIED THE SAME FORMULA VIA COMMERCIAL RADIO THAT 91.5 HAS DONE AND IT FAILED. Fact WKHR WHILE IT'S A NON-PROFIT STATION COMMERCIAL FREE ARE LOSING LISTENERS WITHIN' THE LAST YEAR OR SO TO THE TUNE OF OVER 5,000 LISTENERS AND IT CONTINUES TO DROP. Fact if they would blend the music via KIXI 880 THEY WOULD RE-BOUND RATINGS WISE NOT FOR COMMERCIAL USE BUT FOR LISTENERS THAT MOURN THE LOSS OF WRMR,WLEC AND TO SOME EXTENT MAJIC 105 WHERE THE 50'S AND EARLY 60'S ARE CONNCERNED. FACT VIKKI CARR'S NAME IS SPELLED THIS WAY NOT WITH 2 C's
"Wake up"? I had no idea that my observations indicated that I was asleep.
I simply said that WKHR was never designed as--and never presented itself as--a "adult standards" station in the traditional AM sense, so I don't know why you expect them to do so, and are bewildered when they don't.
They are a big band-nostalgia station which plays some classic pop. If you want them to change format, that's one thing. But to complain that they are not "doing the format right" is loony. They are not doing the format which you desribe in the first place!
I have no idea where you are getting your information regarding "they lost 5,000 listeners last year". From what I understand, their fund raising is still very successful (which is the REAL ratings of a non-commercial station) and their internet stream is among the most popular for any non-comm station of its size.
Suggest you leave this fine and unique station alone, and set your sights somewhere else if you truly can't get enough Jack Jones and Anne Murray. By the way, isn't WAKR already doing pretty much the format that you desribe (a 50s-60s-70s driven traditional "middle of the road"
format with some lighter rock oldies)?
I simply said that WKHR was never designed as--and never presented itself as--a "adult standards" station in the traditional AM sense, so I don't know why you expect them to do so, and are bewildered when they don't.
They are a big band-nostalgia station which plays some classic pop. If you want them to change format, that's one thing. But to complain that they are not "doing the format right" is loony. They are not doing the format which you desribe in the first place!
I have no idea where you are getting your information regarding "they lost 5,000 listeners last year". From what I understand, their fund raising is still very successful (which is the REAL ratings of a non-commercial station) and their internet stream is among the most popular for any non-comm station of its size.
Suggest you leave this fine and unique station alone, and set your sights somewhere else if you truly can't get enough Jack Jones and Anne Murray. By the way, isn't WAKR already doing pretty much the format that you desribe (a 50s-60s-70s driven traditional "middle of the road"
format with some lighter rock oldies)?
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alans
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Triple H TRUST ME I HAVE SEEN THE BOOK THEY HAVE LOST OVER 5,000 LISTENERS AS FOR THE THE STREAM FOR HOW MUCH LONGER UNTIL THEY HAVE TO PULL THE PLUG LIKE SOME OF THE COLLEGE STATIONS AND SMALLER STATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE THE BACKING OF OH GEE CLEAR CHANNEL. WITHIN THE NEXT 2 YEARS IF NOT SOONER THEY WILL HAVE TOO CHANGE IF THEY WANT TOO SURVIVE AS FOR WAKR THAT FORMAT THUS FAR WITH NICK ANTHONY AND CHUCK COLLINS IS A DISASTER WITH NO FORMATIC FLOW.
I think that Bill the station engineer, who I believe reads this board, would be happy to confirm the atmosphere at WKHR regarding their current listener response and financial solvency.
Many public radio stations, especially smaller, niche stations like WKHR, usually find their Arbitron numbers highly unstable due to the small sampling which they usually receive. Stations like WKHR do not go crazy over a couple of books shifting the way that commercial radio does.
You are applying mainstream commercial radio rules, which do not apply for these types of stations. The only "ratings" that WKHR cares about are the level of contributions by their listeners. I believe that they are very healthy in that department. Once THAT starts to tank, then you can make your argument for a format change.
Look at it this way: Even a COMMERCIAL niche station like WCLV will see the numbers go from 1.8-2.1-1.7-2.1 And you can't tell me that Bob Conrad ran around tweaking things when they hit that 1.7, or that there was any basic change in their programming or audience shift represented by those numbers. It is, again, that with these smaller audience, niche stations, the diary return is so small, that all it takes is one diary to inflate or deflate the station's overall numbers dramatically. They don't pay attention to those things. WKHR looks at their listener contributions and WCLV looks at their ability to sell the clients on the QUALITY (translation: wealth) of their audience as opposed to the raw numbers of people who are listening (which will never be big).
Many public radio stations, especially smaller, niche stations like WKHR, usually find their Arbitron numbers highly unstable due to the small sampling which they usually receive. Stations like WKHR do not go crazy over a couple of books shifting the way that commercial radio does.
You are applying mainstream commercial radio rules, which do not apply for these types of stations. The only "ratings" that WKHR cares about are the level of contributions by their listeners. I believe that they are very healthy in that department. Once THAT starts to tank, then you can make your argument for a format change.
Look at it this way: Even a COMMERCIAL niche station like WCLV will see the numbers go from 1.8-2.1-1.7-2.1 And you can't tell me that Bob Conrad ran around tweaking things when they hit that 1.7, or that there was any basic change in their programming or audience shift represented by those numbers. It is, again, that with these smaller audience, niche stations, the diary return is so small, that all it takes is one diary to inflate or deflate the station's overall numbers dramatically. They don't pay attention to those things. WKHR looks at their listener contributions and WCLV looks at their ability to sell the clients on the QUALITY (translation: wealth) of their audience as opposed to the raw numbers of people who are listening (which will never be big).
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alans
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Ok HHH The engineer Bill is it I'm sure he'll confirm your statement and mine too as for the numbers are beginning in 3 books now for over a year the numbers are down and this is a trend. As for the financial end here we go last years fund drive after a week in which they were soft selling the need for cash for one month on the hour bottom of the hour the announcer would come on and say "IF YOU DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO OUR FUND DRIVE YOU STILL HAVE TIME" and gave the address to the station. Why did they do that simple they fell short that's why for a month straight they kept doing that PSA if you will had they hit the goal you would be hearing thank-you's not please contribute. And that is a fact as for WCLV your right about that statement,but in the same token your words 91.5 non-commercial and as long as the funding keeps up that's there numbers book or no book,well the numbers and funding are down and one more I'll throw at you moral too is at a low.
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alans
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The war on Christmas isn't the only reason,here it is bottom line oh FYI they once again failed with the fund drive not a surprise they've lost over 5,000 listeners which equals $$$$$$. The music selection is weak the same old songs over and over with no variety thrown in,too much JAZZ and some BLUES,if 91.5 were to adopt the KIXI STYLE then the station would be a financial winner currently 2 fund raisers in a row and both FAILURES UNDER THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT. Such potential but again POLITICS SOME INSIDE 91.5 ARE VERY UPSET WITH THE FUND DRIVE FAILING TO HIT IT'S GOAL FOR THE SECOND YEAR.
This is a long shot. Was this the same Jim Davis who worked in the Columbus market in the 70's? And is he still alive?
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