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Visitng Chicago during the past week I've noticed how crummy WLIT sounds. What used to be a great sounding radio station playing targeted music, seasoned talent and good imaging now sounds like a minor league station.

The station sounds like a train wreck with crummy music beds under the jocks, way too many disco songs and the jocks sound like they had waaaaay tooo much caffeine.

WNUA doesn't sound much better...Danae sounds better at night and way too many motown oldies.

Heck, even JACK-FM sounds better then 'LIT!

Guess I'll have to go back to my Sirius radio!

Whuzzz up?
 
WLIT has no-one challenging them on the "soft" front except for WNUA which has problems of their own.

I think the management of WLIT is saying two things.

1. Let's make as much money as possible. (And I dont have a problem with that).

and

2. Let's not let a station be softer than us in town. On a scale of 1-10, if the next softest station is a 4....we will be a 3. But if the next softest station is a 7....we can be a 6, not be "boring", be kinda "cool" and STILL be the "office" station in town because we will still be softest by comparison (excluding non-pop formats like classical of course).

I'd do the same thing if I were them.

They need another station in town to smash them from the soft end if you want them to become softer.
 
The station is enjoying great awareness and numbers. You believe it to be too much disco? Wow, guess Lite's targeted demo could say Jack has too much rock n' roll. Keep opinion out of reality, thanks. Don't let the tuner hit you on the ass on the way back to Sirius. Enjoy that while it's still called Sirius.

> Visitng Chicago during the past week I've noticed how crummy
> WLIT sounds. What used to be a great sounding radio station
> playing targeted music, seasoned talent and good imaging now
> sounds like a minor league station.
>
> The station sounds like a train wreck with crummy music beds
> under the jocks, way too many disco songs and the jocks
> sound like they had waaaaay tooo much caffeine.
>
> WNUA doesn't sound much better...Danae sounds better at
> night and way too many motown oldies.
>
> Heck, even JACK-FM sounds better then 'LIT!
>
> Guess I'll have to go back to my Sirius radio!
>
> Whuzzz up?
>
 
There's not enough people who will want a softer lite. Sorry, those days are gone. I can see the 12 rock n roll dudes who helped The Zone to a dismal, violent death becoming the new P1's of a lite format. (Notice I make no judgement on the music, only the likelihood of the format's big enough appeal to make it a viable large billing outlet). While the lamest of the 70s and 80s (Air Supply, Ambrosia, Kenny And Dolly, Bread, Carpenters etc) has appeal, it's not enough to justify a format on a terrestrial in Chicago. Internet? Yes, Satellite? Yes, 50,000 watts, not a chance. It's not bad, it's just the way it is. For those who want a day of drab, sad (but great) music of the "lite" kind, there's plenty of ways to get it these days, radio just can't do it here in Chicago.

I'm sure it's males who are posting about this in this thread and I gotta tell you that when it comes to Love and Lite, you're not who they're targeting and your opinion on what they're doing is like having an opinion on what Tampon is better to use and why. While they'd like to have you, it's a product for women (for the most part) at a certain age and time in their life. (I can't wait for the day when a classic love song is Wait by The Ying Yang Twins, don't laugh, it will happen and we'll all have a good puke together as a segment of that youth's demographic (in the future) will not get it).

For now, unless you get a boob job, remove your yang and start waxing after you bear a child, you're not going to be in their view too much. It would be like a bunch of women complaining that their favorite radio station is playing Obituary, Kreator and Canibal Corpse, of course that's not going to get rave reviews from the soccer moms but then a radio station playing that wouldn't be expecting the moms to be listening either, once again, they'll take it or leave. The stations know who they're targeting and it's working. While you may not like a particular type of music and it may "suck" to you, that's your opinion. What "sucks" is relative to who you are, how secure you are in your own manhood and how you view music. Most snobs think we should all sit in a basement, smoke a bowl and ponder the meaning of our existance in the universe -anything that doesn't enlighten them "sucks". Most normal people just want to hear something that pleases them, something they grew up with and takes them back to those days, they don't get too deep unlike elitists who think they're smarter than everyone else because they listen to some obscure band Bob Dylan wrote a song for while smoking hash for a month. Like I said, it's all relative to who you are as a person and your peers, upbringing etc.

Lite and Love are battling right now, they're battling for reality in the here and now and the reality is they're both doing well, well... one better than before and one doing as well as it has for some time now.

The discussion gets silly when people start saying a particular music sucks. According to who? You and Greg Kot? We're talking dynamics that make a profitable radio statio, not your personal tastes that you think everyone should adhere to. What sucks for you doesn't mean it's bad, it just means for you and people like you it sucks it doesn't mean it should go away. If you want to be intelltucally honest then you really have to throw those notions away to get to what counts for the people you're about to target with a particular format. Lucky for us now, there's plenty of choices to assemble small numbers of people for such a niched format like LITE hits, at least in this market (suburbs may be different).

Reality is dawning on radio. People of all ages have many avenues in which to discover, listen and enjoy music THEIR WAY and that makes it hard for radio because of it's uni-dimensionality. (exeptions being ethnic and urban). Before people had choices like they have now, radio was it, end of story. Now it's a whole new ballgame. People have choices at their disposal and unfortunately radio can't read every person's mind to determine what they want when they want so radio has a problem, that problem is solved by IPODS, Internet Radio, Satellite and many other products. Not good for radio but that's just the way it is, radio's in it's twilight. People now enjoy all the other products and there's still more to come. For the 18-34 year olds, they've been conditioned to use new technologies to find and listen to what they want, their way, when they want it. Radio can't do that, like I said, it's the way it is. It's not necessarily radio's fault, technology has caused as much of a demise of formats on the radio as the companies who paid way too much for them. Nothing destroys a monopoly like choice.

> WLIT has no-one challenging them on the "soft" front except
> for WNUA which has problems of their own.
>
> I think the management of WLIT is saying two things.
>
> 1. Let's make as much money as possible. (And I dont have a
> problem with that).
>
> and
>
> 2. Let's not let a station be softer than us in town. On a
> scale of 1-10, if the next softest station is a 4....we will
> be a 3. But if the next softest station is a 7....we can be
> a 6, not be "boring", be kinda "cool" and STILL be the
> "office" station in town because we will still be softest by
> comparison (excluding non-pop formats like classical of
> course).
>
> I'd do the same thing if I were them.
>
> They need another station in town to smash them from the
> soft end if you want them to become softer.
>
 
Re: WLIT Disco

They don't even play that much disco on WLIT. A little more then before sure since they are still trying to compete with WILV, but not THAT much. They sound like a "Bright" or borderline Hot AC with some prizes of the rhythmic variety thrown in.

They haven't been Soft AC in at least 3-4 years. Always mostly mainstream AC but getting harder and harder as the years go on.

I personally miss Bread, Maureen McGovern, Stephen Bishop, Linda Ronstadt, Peabo Bryson, etc all of which I grew up with but that's why XM and MP3 and for that matter Delilah exists. My mom (age 46) doesn't even listen to the radio anymore.


Also, once HD-2 takes off I believe the old Love format is or will be on WILV HD-2. Here's hoping.<P ID="signature">______________

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> There's not enough people who will want a softer lite.
> Sorry, those days are gone. I can see the 12 rock n roll
> dudes who helped The Zone to a dismal, violent death
> becoming the new P1's of a lite format. (Notice I make no
> judgement on the music, only the likelihood of the format's
> big enough appeal to make it a viable large billing outlet).
> While the lamest of the 70s and 80s (Air Supply, Ambrosia,
> Kenny And Dolly, Bread, Carpenters etc) has appeal, it's not
> enough to justify a format on a terrestrial in Chicago.
> Internet? Yes, Satellite? Yes, 50,000 watts, not a chance.
> It's not bad, it's just the way it is. For those who want a
> day of drab, sad (but great) music of the "lite" kind,
> there's plenty of ways to get it these days, radio just
> can't do it here in Chicago.
>
> I'm sure it's males who are posting about this in this
> thread and I gotta tell you that when it comes to Love and
> Lite, you're not who they're targeting and your opinion on
> what they're doing is like having an opinion on what Tampon
> is better to use and why. While they'd like to have you,
> it's a product for women (for the most part) at a certain
> age and time in their life. (I can't wait for the day when a
> classic love song is Wait by The Ying Yang Twins, don't
> laugh, it will happen and we'll all have a good puke
> together as a segment of that youth's demographic (in the
> future) will not get it).
>
> For now, unless you get a boob job, remove your yang and
> start waxing after you bear a child, you're not going to be
> in their view too much. It would be like a bunch of women
> complaining that their favorite radio station is playing
> Obituary, Kreator and Canibal Corpse, of course that's not
> going to get rave reviews from the soccer moms but then a
> radio station playing that wouldn't be expecting the moms to
> be listening either, once again, they'll take it or leave.
> The stations know who they're targeting and it's working.
> While you may not like a particular type of music and it may
> "suck" to you, that's your opinion. What "sucks" is relative
> to who you are, how secure you are in your own manhood and
> how you view music. Most snobs think we should all sit in a
> basement, smoke a bowl and ponder the meaning of our
> existance in the universe -anything that doesn't enlighten
> them "sucks". Most normal people just want to hear something
> that pleases them, something they grew up with and takes
> them back to those days, they don't get too deep unlike
> elitists who think they're smarter than everyone else
> because they listen to some obscure band Bob Dylan wrote a
> song for while smoking hash for a month. Like I said, it's
> all relative to who you are as a person and your peers,
> upbringing etc.
>
> Lite and Love are battling right now, they're battling for
> reality in the here and now and the reality is they're both
> doing well, well... one better than before and one doing as
> well as it has for some time now.
>
> The discussion gets silly when people start saying a
> particular music sucks. According to who? You and Greg Kot?
> We're talking dynamics that make a profitable radio statio,
> not your personal tastes that you think everyone should
> adhere to. What sucks for you doesn't mean it's bad, it just
> means for you and people like you it sucks it doesn't mean
> it should go away. If you want to be intelltucally honest
> then you really have to throw those notions away to get to
> what counts for the people you're about to target with a
> particular format. Lucky for us now, there's plenty of
> choices to assemble small numbers of people for such a
> niched format like LITE hits, at least in this market
> (suburbs may be different).
>
> Reality is dawning on radio. People of all ages have many
> avenues in which to discover, listen and enjoy music THEIR
> WAY and that makes it hard for radio because of it's
> uni-dimensionality. (exeptions being ethnic and urban).
> Before people had choices like they have now, radio was it,
> end of story. Now it's a whole new ballgame. People have
> choices at their disposal and unfortunately radio can't read
> every person's mind to determine what they want when they
> want so radio has a problem, that problem is solved by
> IPODS, Internet Radio, Satellite and many other products.
> Not good for radio but that's just the way it is, radio's in
> it's twilight. People now enjoy all the other products and
> there's still more to come. For the 18-34 year olds, they've
> been conditioned to use new technologies to find and listen
> to what they want, their way, when they want it. Radio can't
> do that, like I said, it's the way it is. It's not
> necessarily radio's fault, technology has caused as much of
> a demise of formats on the radio as the companies who paid
> way too much for them. Nothing destroys a monopoly like
> choice.
>
I'm a man that agrees with you wholeheartedly. I've been in the radio business for over 20 years. I'm not a huge fan of Q-101, WFMT or La Ley, but because there are people out there that do like these formats, those stations should be there.

On the other hand, I love music, period. My musical tastes are so diverse that there can never be one station that will play everything I like. I've even enjoyed some music on the stations I've mentioned above. If these stations weren't there, I'd miss them. I've never seen an AM/FM radio with enough presets to encompass alll the stations I'll listen to.
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DXer Peter Atkinson</P>
 
> Reality is dawning on radio. People of all ages have many
> avenues in which to discover, listen and enjoy music THEIR
> WAY and that makes it hard for radio because of it's
> uni-dimensionality. (exeptions being ethnic and urban).
> Before people had choices like they have now, radio was it,
> end of story. Now it's a whole new ballgame. People have
> choices at their disposal and unfortunately radio can't read
> every person's mind to determine what they want when they
> want so radio has a problem, that problem is solved by
> IPODS, Internet Radio, Satellite and many other products.
> Not good for radio but that's just the way it is, radio's in
> it's twilight. People now enjoy all the other products and
> there's still more to come. For the 18-34 year olds, they've
> been conditioned to use new technologies to find and listen
> to what they want, their way, when they want it. Radio can't
> do that, like I said, it's the way it is. It's not
> necessarily radio's fault, technology has caused as much of
> a demise of formats on the radio as the companies who paid
> way too much for them. Nothing destroys a monopoly like
> choice.

But I guess to me, I wanted to believe it back in the 90s when Megan Reed would read the liner about a morning show with music and no silliness or Ken Southern saying that "The Lite at Night" had "no stupid dedications, no sappy love poems--and we'll always be that way." Of course, I'm enough of a realist to know that he should've added "as long as Viacom owns the station--and we can't even guarantee that," but it sure seemed that back in the Phil Redo/Mark Edwards days, 'LIT would remain what it was forever and ever, adjusting itself to stay with the times but reamining true to itself and its basic formatics. Of course, I was wrong, as we found out the minute Chancellor bought the station from Viacom, Redo jumped and Edwards got fired. 'LIT hasn't been the same since and the thought of music beds under jocks and Gwen Stefani songs harder than "Don't Speak" makes a generic Wacky Morning Show, Delilah and jingles sound mild by comparison.
 
> Visitng Chicago during the past week I've noticed how crummy
> WLIT sounds. What used to be a great sounding radio station
> playing targeted music, seasoned talent and good imaging now
> sounds like a minor league station.
>
> The station sounds like a train wreck with crummy music beds
> under the jocks, way too many disco songs and the jocks
> sound like they had waaaaay tooo much caffeine.
>
> WNUA doesn't sound much better...Danae sounds better at
> night and way too many motown oldies.
>
> Heck, even JACK-FM sounds better then 'LIT!
>
> Guess I'll have to go back to my Sirius radio!
>
> Whuzzz up?
>

Just spent the last two days in Chicago (what a great town to visit with things to do - enjoyed it!) BUT...I thought LIT was OK, better than LOVE and 9FM much better to listen to than Jack. KISS was OK, B-96 no different than before. I was very glad to get back to C-U radio! Give me dance friendly Q-96 over KISS anyday and The Chief over LIT or LOVE or any other Hot AC up there in Chi-town. Our radio dial is much better to listen to. Chicago has lost its touch in making radio fun and unique anymore. Don't know why. But I'll visit again. It was fun!
 
> They need another station in town to smash them from the
> soft end if you want them to become softer.


Wasn't that what Love was supposed to do?
 
another thing

one thing they really should do is drop saying "The Lite"

I was listening just now and Dave Hilton was talking up Boston - More Then A Feeling.

"It's Boston - More Then A Feeling on The Lite"

I'm sorry but that's just messed up.

They probably should just stick with "93.9 WLIT"<P ID="signature">______________

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