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WLIX-LP (RadioX) expands coverage

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MrsN

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RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point) has updated its website and issued a news release saying they have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach, Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown, Islip).

http://www.radiox.fm/pressroom.htm

Time to reset your preset again?
 
> Time to reset your preset again?

Oh, that's the reason why I got a new, nifty official RadioX t-shirt in the morning mail, huh?

CJ
 
> > Time to reset your preset again?
>
> Oh, that's the reason why I got a new, nifty official RadioX
> t-shirt in the morning mail, huh?
>
> CJ
>

They have a MUCH strong signal into Nassau than originally thought. They were VERY clear at the Southern + Wantagh on 94.9 and by Exit 37 (Belmont Ave) both the 104.5 and 94.9 were like locals (the 104.5 would do better if Q-104 wasn't running HD).
 
> RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point) has
> updated its website and issued a news release saying they
> have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach,
> Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown,
> Islip).
>
> http://www.radiox.fm/pressroom.htm
>
> Time to reset your preset again?
>


Just curious: What does Radio X sound like? I know they are classified as "Alternative", but that is such a vague term these days - it's been used over the last 10 years to describe everyone from Matchbox 20 to Slipknot. And do they reach the eastern part of Nassau County (i.e. Wantagh, Hicksville, Massapequa, etc.)</P>

Either way, I'll send the word to my brother about this station - since K-Rock flipped he's tuned out, but I think he'll probably like the Radio X.</P>
 
Is this legal?

> RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point) has
> updated its website and issued a news release saying they
> have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach,
> Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown,
> Islip).

Is it legal to simulcast a LP station with a translator?

Just curious...

Radio-X<P ID="signature">______________
I wasn't born in the south, but I got down here as fast as I could...</P>
 
> > > Time to reset your preset again?
> >
> > Oh, that's the reason why I got a new, nifty official
> RadioX
> > t-shirt in the morning mail, huh?
> >
> > CJ
> >
>
> They have a MUCH strong signal into Nassau than originally
> thought. They were VERY clear at the Southern + Wantagh on
> 94.9 and by Exit 37 (Belmont Ave) both the 104.5 and 94.9
> were like locals (the 104.5 would do better if Q-104 wasn't
> running HD).
>
all I know is that I asked them to add Iggy Pop to their playlist,and they did. Now all we need is The New York Dolls,Cherry Vanilla,and Wayne County & the Electric Chairs,and Jimi is a happy boy!(Where's my RadioX tee shirt?)
 
Re: Is this legal?

It might be. WCSE-LP 100.1 FM, a locally programmed religious station in Ledyard, CT is simulcast on a 94.9 FM Translator in Uncasville.
 
> > RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point)
> has
> > updated its website and issued a news release saying they
> > have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach,
> > Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown,
> > Islip).
> >
> > http://www.radiox.fm/pressroom.htm
> >
> > Time to reset your preset again?
> >
> Just curious: What does Radio X sound like? I know they are
> classified as "Alternative", but that is such a vague term
> these days - it's been used over the last 10 years to
> describe everyone from Matchbox 20 to Slipknot. And do they
> reach the eastern part of Nassau County (i.e. Wantagh,
> Hicksville, Massapequa, etc.) Either way, I'll send the word
> to my brother about this station - since K-Rock flipped he's
> tuned out, but I think he'll probably like the Radio X.
>

I can get it in Massapequa, pretty weak though. 104.5 the signal is quite weak because of interference from Q 104.3, actually comes in stronger on 104.7 (depending on how my antenna is positioned either pick uo radio x or WSPK on 104.7)<P ID="signature">______________
R.I.P Party 105
5-27-98
9-15-05
</P>
 
Listen on 94.9FM. It's got a nice signal in Massapequa and even up to and past Wantagh (listened on the way back on the Southern State early this morning). 94.9 is out of Hauppauge and I'm sure does an even better job north.
 
> I can get it in Massapequa, pretty weak though. 104.5 the
> signal is quite weak because of interference from Q 104.3,
> actually comes in stronger on 104.7 (depending on how my
> antenna is positioned either pick uo radio x or WSPK on
> 104.7)
>

The 104.5 signal seems to start fading past Babylon & is gone over the Nassau line. The 94.5 signal puts in to Eastern Nassau and is solid thru (at least) the SOB and a little bit west of there.
 
> RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point) has
> updated its website and issued a news release saying they
> have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach,
> Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown,
> Islip).
>
> http://www.radiox.fm/pressroom.htm
>
> Time to reset your preset again?
>

It's great to see LPFM working for someone. I did a show on the first LPFM in the US down in Maryland, but gave up because literally nobody ever listened. The kicker was when I offered to hand deliver a $50 bill to anyone that called for over 2 hours and nobody called. The 100 watt signal got wiped off the dial by either far away stations skipping in, weather conditions, or just noise. It's nice to see that LPFM can actually work if done wisely. I'm looking forward to hearing 'Radio X' the next time that I come home to LI.
 
> RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point) has
> updated its website and issued a news release saying they
> have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach,
> Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown,
> Islip).
>
> http://www.radiox.fm/pressroom.htm
>
> Time to reset your preset again?

Thanks for posting the press release. Congrats to Scotty!


email: [email protected]
 
"I'm looking forward to hearing 'Radio X' the next time that I come home to LI."

RadioX will be there.

The funny thing about this is that WLIX was picking up listeners right away, without any promotion or advertising. People just found it. Scotty & I were driving around back in August the day it first warmed the finals and stopped in the Stop and Shop in Middle Island (I think, I get lost up there) and saw a pack of kids (sorry, young adults) skateboarding in the parking lot. As we rolled down the windows, we heard RadioX on THEIR radio! We pulled up to ask about what station they were listening to...and they told us they were tuning up the dial and heard it...and liked it.

Lots of wonderful comments since, all until now simply from word of mouth.

RadioX rules the schools and we find quite a few older rockers who love the non-stop music (truly commerical-free!) and can't find it elsewhere on the dial.

The community news and calendar by a local cub reporter has brought in a lot of listeners, too.

CJ
 
Re: WLIX-LP (RadioX) expands coverage - Presets Changed!

> RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point) has
> updated its website and issued a news release saying they
> have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach,
> Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown,
> Islip).
>
> http://www.radiox.fm/pressroom.htm
>
> Time to reset your preset again?
>
This is VERY good radio. I did in fact change my presets. I have two banks of FM, one for local reception and one for when I'm closer to Queens/NYC. My Long Island presets are now

Country 92.5
Island 94.3
RadioX 94.9
KC101 101.3
Channel 105 105.1
WBLI 106.1

Which station did I drop? 102.3, WBAB for the first time in almost 20 years.
 
> RadioX (94.7 WLIX-LP/Ridge, Middle Island, Rocky Point) has
> updated its website and issued a news release saying they
> have expanded to 104.5 RadioX (W283BA/Selden, Centereach,
> Sayville) and 94.9 RadioX (W235BB/Hauppauge, Smithtown,
> Islip).
>
> http://www.radiox.fm/pressroom.htm
>
> Time to reset your preset again?
>

I know 94.7 is on the TV55 tower in Ridge. Can anyone tell me what towers 94.9 and 104.5 are on?
 
This is a very Interesting Station

The FCC LPFM guidlines are for 100 watts ERPmax with an antenna height of 100 Feet max.(30 Meters)
They filed for the CP. at 100 watts erp at 13 Meters(42 feet)
OK thats fine and Cool because my LPFM is at 19 meters(62 feet) at 100 watts.

This is the first LPFM I have seen that was granted a license for Less than 100 watts ERP. As far as I know they have not processed any 10 watt ERP LPFM's to date figuring this would fit Under that catagory. I see my old friend Mike C. was the consultant for the minor CP change.
good for him, but I am amaized that they approved an LPFM for 21 watts ERP
and the Height of 210 Feet.. WELL above the 100 Foot point. Geeze I should get mike to work On MY LPFM. I would rather have the Height than the power...
Not that my LPFM is not Getting out. I get close to 20 miles out.

What Does interest me in this stationis the fact that On the license application its listed as 21 watts ERP with a TPO of 146 watts.

Using a shorter cable length would reduce loss hence less power required
to reach required ERP. Giveing benefit of a doubt length to antenna 210 feet and to building I figure aprox 300 feet. thats 80 feet from the tower base to the transmitter rack.
Doing the math figuring at least 300 feet of andrews 1/2 hardline( lossy cable)
(personally at 300 feet I would Run 7/8 hardline.)
into a singlebay shivley 6812 antenna and figuring for finding TPO...
the transmitter would be about 73 watts out.... Not 146 watts..
again figuring he is using 7/8 hardline his TPO would Be only 58 watts
not 146 watts.

Using the known 146 watts TPO as per the application using the above 300 Feet
of 1/2 hardline and antenna.. this station would be Running 42.4 watts ERP Not 21 watts ERP...
I even did the math with 400 feet of 1/2 hardline for a higher loss and it was still less than 90 watts TPO for 21 watts ERP..

Can someone fill me in On what transmission cable they are Running? and aprox how Long a length? anyone in here with Real inside Info Information.

I dont want to accuse them of running More power than they should Be. But figuring the info given On the FCC site with antenna type,Height, and TPO listed
something just Does not add up.

Unless hes running 300 feet of radioshack RG-8u coax up the tower to the 210 foot antenna point.

Any Other Engineers Out there do the math.. what do you come out with.


> I know 94.7 is on the TV55 tower in Ridge. Can anyone tell
> me what towers 94.9 and 104.5 are on?
>
 
This is the norm with many LPFM stations. The FCC lowers the TPO of an LPFM if HAAT is going to exceed 30 meters so that the station does not exceed it's 60 dbu contour.

For Example: An LPFM here in Rhode Island is @ 42.3 HAAT TPO is then reduced.

Effective Radiated Power (ERP): 0.05 0. kW ERP
Antenna Height Above Average Terrain: 42.3 0. meters HAAT
Antenna Height Above Mean Sea Level: 50.4 0. meters AMSL
Antenna Height Above Ground Level: 23.9 0. meters AGL

a) LP100 stations: (1) Maximum facilities. LP100 stations will be
authorized to operate with maximum facilities of 100 watts effective
radiated power (ERP) at 30 meters antenna height above average terrain
(HAAT). An LP100 station with a HAAT that exceeds 30 meters will not be
permitted to operate with an ERP greater than that which would result in
a 60 dBu contour of 5.6 kilometers. In no event will an ERP less than
one watt be authorized. No facility will be authorized in excess of one
watt ERP at 450 meters HAAT.

The staff will
determine an LPFM station’s antenna height above average
terrain (HAAT) from the Tech Box data for coordinates, site
elevation, and antenna radiation center above ground level. The
effective radiated power (ERP) specified on the LPFM
construction permit authorization will be given in a range that,
when considered with the staff-calculated HAAT, would allow
operation within the maximum and minimum ERP of the class of
LPFM station applied for. See 47 C.F.R. Section 73.811.
 
Great I Understand all that... your Right TPO is reduced.. in this case TPO Is increased...according to the application that was granted...

here is How I get to my figures
Entering the following into the program
To find the TPO

first I enter the ERP=21 watts
the determining frequency 94.7fm
with a foam dialectric feedline of
Andrews LDF-4-50A 1/2 " hardline
how many Feet of hardline=300 feet
with a single bay Shivley 6812 antenna
Running 50/50 vert/horizontal on the power split
Not figuring any losses from a transfer switch or filters.
you get the following results

Andrews 1/2" LDF 4-50A hardline at 300 feet
at 94.7 Mhz you get a loss in dB/100feet =.660dB loss
giving a line Efficiency at 94.7Mhz 63.37%
The Max average power of the feedline is 1.95Kw
The Power dissipated in the line is 26.386 Watts
with a power input into the antenna is 45.652 watts
The Shivley 6812 antenna has a gain of .46
this gives a TPO of 72.03 WATTS TPO................


If you take the 146 watts TPO to the above info..

Andrews 1/2" LDF 4-50A hardline at 300 feet
at 94.7 Mhz you get a loss in dB/100feet =.660dB loss
giving a line Efficiency at 94.7Mhz 63.37%
The Max average power of the feedline is 1.95Kw
The Power dissipated in the line is 53.447 Watts
with a power input into the antenna is 92.523 watts
The Shivley 6812 antenna has a gain of .46
this gives a ERP of 42.561 WATTS ERP................

So how do they figure apply and get granted for 146 watts TPO for 21 watts ERP
the question still has Not been answered
Im sure when you say its up to the staff(FCC)?
thats a major mistake..
How did they over see this...?????
Like I said what cable are they using to get up to the antenna and how long is the cable? seems Like they did the figures using radioshack RG-8U CB type coax . to get the losses required to run at 146 watts TPO...
I just cannot see any Engineer running that on a radio station Unless it was a Emergency situation to get a station up and Running after a site get dammaged.
especially at least 300-400 feet of it..


This is the norm with many LPFM stations. The FCC lowers the
> TPO of an LPFM if HAAT is going to exceed 30 meters so that
> the station does not exceed it's 60 dbu contour.
>
> For Example: An LPFM here in Rhode Island is @ 42.3 HAAT TPO
> is then reduced.
>
> Effective Radiated Power (ERP): 0.05 0. kW
> ERP
> Antenna Height Above Average Terrain: 42.3 0. meters
> HAAT
> Antenna Height Above Mean Sea Level: 50.4 0. meters AMSL
>
> Antenna Height Above Ground Level: 23.9 0. meters AGL
>
> a) LP100 stations: (1) Maximum facilities. LP100 stations
> will be
> authorized to operate with maximum facilities of 100 watts
> effective
> radiated power (ERP) at 30 meters antenna height above
> average terrain
> (HAAT). An LP100 station with a HAAT that exceeds 30 meters
> will not be
> permitted to operate with an ERP greater than that which
> would result in
> a 60 dBu contour of 5.6 kilometers. In no event will an ERP
> less than
> one watt be authorized. No facility will be authorized in
> excess of one
> watt ERP at 450 meters HAAT.
>
> The staff will
> determine an LPFM station’s antenna height above average
> terrain (HAAT) from the Tech Box data for coordinates, site
> elevation, and antenna radiation center above ground level.
> The
> effective radiated power (ERP) specified on the LPFM
> construction permit authorization will be given in a range
> that,
> when considered with the staff-calculated HAAT, would allow
> operation within the maximum and minimum ERP of the class of
>
> LPFM station applied for. See 47 C.F.R. Section 73.811.
>
 
> all I know is that I asked them to add Iggy Pop to their
> playlist,and they did. Now all we need is The New York
> Dolls,Cherry Vanilla,and Wayne County & the Electric
> Chairs,and Jimi is a happy boy!(Where's my RadioX tee
> shirt?)

I just ordered mine...it's on their website (www.radiox.fm).
 
You're right.. The way I figure it their feedline would have to have a loss of 1.7db to make the ERP stated in their application.. You'd think a 300ft run of feedline they'd be using at least 1/2" hardline..





> Great I Understand all that... your Right TPO is reduced..
> in this case TPO Is increased...according to the application
> that was granted...
>
> here is How I get to my figures
> Entering the following into the program
> To find the TPO
>
> first I enter the ERP=21 watts
> the determining frequency 94.7fm
> with a foam dialectric feedline of
> Andrews LDF-4-50A 1/2 " hardline
> how many Feet of hardline=300 feet
> with a single bay Shivley 6812 antenna
> Running 50/50 vert/horizontal on the power split
> Not figuring any losses from a transfer switch or filters.
> you get the following results
>
> Andrews 1/2" LDF 4-50A hardline at 300 feet
>
> at 94.7 Mhz you get a loss in dB/100feet =.660dB loss
> giving a line Efficiency at 94.7Mhz 63.37%
> The Max average power of the feedline is 1.95Kw
> The Power dissipated in the line is 26.386 Watts
> with a power input into the antenna is 45.652 watts
> The Shivley 6812 antenna has a gain of .46
> this gives a TPO of 72.03 WATTS
> TPO................
>
>
> If you take the 146 watts TPO to the above info..
>
> Andrews 1/2" LDF 4-50A hardline at 300 feet
>
> at 94.7 Mhz you get a loss in dB/100feet =.660dB loss
> giving a line Efficiency at 94.7Mhz 63.37%
> The Max average power of the feedline is 1.95Kw
> The Power dissipated in the line is 53.447 Watts
> with a power input into the antenna is 92.523 watts
> The Shivley 6812 antenna has a gain of .46
> this gives a ERP of 42.561 WATTS
> ERP................
>
> So how do they figure apply and get granted for 146 watts
> TPO for 21 watts ERP
> the question still has Not been answered
> Im sure when you say its up to the staff(FCC)?
> thats a major mistake..
> How did they over see this...?????
> Like I said what cable are they using to get up to the
> antenna and how long is the cable? seems Like they did the
> figures using radioshack RG-8U CB type coax . to get the
> losses required to run at 146 watts TPO...
> I just cannot see any Engineer running that on a radio
> station Unless it was a Emergency situation to get a station
> up and Running after a site get dammaged.
> especially at least 300-400 feet of it..
>
>
> This is the norm with many LPFM stations. The FCC lowers
> the
> > TPO of an LPFM if HAAT is going to exceed 30 meters so
> that
> > the station does not exceed it's 60 dbu contour.
> >
> > For Example: An LPFM here in Rhode Island is @ 42.3 HAAT
> TPO
> > is then reduced.
> >
> > Effective Radiated Power (ERP): 0.05 0.
> kW
> > ERP
> > Antenna Height Above Average Terrain: 42.3 0. meters
> > HAAT
> > Antenna Height Above Mean Sea Level: 50.4 0. meters
> AMSL
> >
> > Antenna Height Above Ground Level: 23.9 0. meters AGL
> >
> > a) LP100 stations: (1) Maximum facilities. LP100 stations
> > will be
> > authorized to operate with maximum facilities of 100 watts
>
> > effective
> > radiated power (ERP) at 30 meters antenna height above
> > average terrain
> > (HAAT). An LP100 station with a HAAT that exceeds 30
> meters
> > will not be
> > permitted to operate with an ERP greater than that which
> > would result in
> > a 60 dBu contour of 5.6 kilometers. In no event will an
> ERP
> > less than
> > one watt be authorized. No facility will be authorized in
> > excess of one
> > watt ERP at 450 meters HAAT.
> >
> > The staff will
> > determine an LPFM station’s antenna height above average
> > terrain (HAAT) from the Tech Box data for coordinates,
> site
> > elevation, and antenna radiation center above ground
> level.
> > The
> > effective radiated power (ERP) specified on the LPFM
> > construction permit authorization will be given in a range
>
> > that,
> > when considered with the staff-calculated HAAT, would
> allow
> > operation within the maximum and minimum ERP of the class
> of
> >
> > LPFM station applied for. See 47 C.F.R. Section 73.811.
> >
>
 
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