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fred flintstone
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Seems like an affiliation switch throughout CC/Cincy.
WCKY (formerly ABC) is now CBS news.
WCKY (formerly ABC) is now CBS news.
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fred flintstone
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It did turn into a game of music chairs. But somebody at Clear Channel seems to have decided Fox News belongs on conservative talk stations. Which leads to the question will similar changes at Clear Channel stations in other markets be coming. The statement from CC's Ops Manager seems to contradict Fox's "fair and balanced" slogan.
We all know Fox News isn't fair or balanced, and I and many others said it belonged on goosestepping 'KRC from the beginning. WLW, which does lean conservative, has more heritage and a reputation to protect that the amateurish Fox News doesn't help with. Of course, CBS News was never really much of a fit on 55KRC for its perceived liberal bias (by RWers, at least)... makes more sense on WCKY and CBS is certainly happy to take what they can get as they hemhorrage clearances as well
Any news network that has to tell its audience it is "fair and balanced" rarely is. Otherwise, why make it your slogan?
Beyond that, the best reason for this move is far more simple - Fox News Radio newscasts suck. They have always sucked though, so it should come as no surprise they still suck. When you put a "news network" like Fox in charge of news, which they usually don't report as much as regurgitate others who report... and then comment on it, why is there a surprise you end up with a second rate newscast? They use/used their TV talent in some instances to do radio news, which they botched routinely with missed cues, poor pacing, lousy announcing skills (my favorite was one newscast in which the announcer referred to "Afghadistad" not once, but THREE times). Just this past week, we got reports about flooding in "Bighamton" instead of Binghamton, and Sus'Q'hanna River. Why get their pretty little heads mixed up with place names and such. Let the Fox blondes smile on the TV and leave the radio news to actual reporters and journalists.
For Clear Channel to sign a huge multi-market deal with the UPI Radio of today's radio universe was done purely for cash and inventory. They paid cash and got to keep their inventory. The station "won" and the audience lost with a lousy product, and some stations have finally realized Fox News Radio is not getting any better, especially when their lead stories don't seem to sync with the rest of the radio networks. While the "NY Times Traitor" story may get play on Hannity & Colmes and the people who love Sean, is it the real top-of-the-news item when no other network made it so?
In the end, the stations involved decided it is worth giving up some inventory for a news product that doesn't embarrass their position as "NEWS/talk" stations.
Beyond that, the best reason for this move is far more simple - Fox News Radio newscasts suck. They have always sucked though, so it should come as no surprise they still suck. When you put a "news network" like Fox in charge of news, which they usually don't report as much as regurgitate others who report... and then comment on it, why is there a surprise you end up with a second rate newscast? They use/used their TV talent in some instances to do radio news, which they botched routinely with missed cues, poor pacing, lousy announcing skills (my favorite was one newscast in which the announcer referred to "Afghadistad" not once, but THREE times). Just this past week, we got reports about flooding in "Bighamton" instead of Binghamton, and Sus'Q'hanna River. Why get their pretty little heads mixed up with place names and such. Let the Fox blondes smile on the TV and leave the radio news to actual reporters and journalists.
For Clear Channel to sign a huge multi-market deal with the UPI Radio of today's radio universe was done purely for cash and inventory. They paid cash and got to keep their inventory. The station "won" and the audience lost with a lousy product, and some stations have finally realized Fox News Radio is not getting any better, especially when their lead stories don't seem to sync with the rest of the radio networks. While the "NY Times Traitor" story may get play on Hannity & Colmes and the people who love Sean, is it the real top-of-the-news item when no other network made it so?
In the end, the stations involved decided it is worth giving up some inventory for a news product that doesn't embarrass their position as "NEWS/talk" stations.
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fred flintstone
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It's my understanding WLW did not run the newscasts. They used sound from Fox and ran the spots.
fred flintstone said:
Yes, but many CC stations in smaller markets DID run the casts. Many of Fox's errors in stories do creep into the bigger market stations, such as the one where the reporter referred to the shuttle launch as being the second "since the explosion of Challenger." The Challenger, of course, went down in 1986.
Phillip Dampier said:
Your main points are correct, but this offhanded remark is an inadvertent insult to the many genuine journalists who worked at UPI and UPI Radio prior to the Moonie takeover.
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fred flintstone
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UPI Audio
Amen.
The radio service was called UPI Audio and it was more than competitive with AP Radio (which came late to the party). UPI's "Radio Wire" was also superior in many ways to the AP version. If nothing else, UPI kept AP honest and kept them from taking Broadcast clients/members for granted (as they do now). What UPI lacked in depth they made up for in hustle.
UniPressers included:
Walter Cronkite
Eric Sevareid
Howard K. Smith
David Brinkley
Brit Hume
William L Shirer
A big part of the difference between these people and the current crop of radio and TV news people is the latter never worked for UPI. It ranked with City News Bureau of Chicago was the great training grounds for journalists.
Amen.
The radio service was called UPI Audio and it was more than competitive with AP Radio (which came late to the party). UPI's "Radio Wire" was also superior in many ways to the AP version. If nothing else, UPI kept AP honest and kept them from taking Broadcast clients/members for granted (as they do now). What UPI lacked in depth they made up for in hustle.
UniPressers included:
Walter Cronkite
Eric Sevareid
Howard K. Smith
David Brinkley
Brit Hume
William L Shirer
A big part of the difference between these people and the current crop of radio and TV news people is the latter never worked for UPI. It ranked with City News Bureau of Chicago was the great training grounds for journalists.
Two things:
1) UPI Radio has a long and storied history, but in its most recent years (which most of us actually were around to remember), it bottomed out rather quickly.
2) My beef with Fox News Radio is not any perceived ideology, but the fact that out of the gate, they were really, really bad. They are still not up to the standards of an ABC, quality-wise, but they've gradually brought in experienced radio people and have improved since that shaky start. There are still weak areas, particularly when the TV people are pressed into radio service...which doesn't happen nearly as much as it used to.
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1) UPI Radio has a long and storied history, but in its most recent years (which most of us actually were around to remember), it bottomed out rather quickly.
2) My beef with Fox News Radio is not any perceived ideology, but the fact that out of the gate, they were really, really bad. They are still not up to the standards of an ABC, quality-wise, but they've gradually brought in experienced radio people and have improved since that shaky start. There are still weak areas, particularly when the TV people are pressed into radio service...which doesn't happen nearly as much as it used to.
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I WILL agree some of the FOX newscasts, especially early on about 1 year and a half ago, were awful.I think they had gotten better. Personally, I like CBS radio news ANYTIME. It's not an afterthought there.I know a lot stations dropped CBS and ABC for inventory reasons, alone.
I DON'T agree with the usual liberal swill that FOX News is somehow captive of the right wing,whatever that's supposed to be. The Big Three on TV cannot stand they have lost their audience, never to return, and their sluggos in the mainstream media keep throwing stones at FOX, but no one loves em but the audience.
I DON'T agree with the usual liberal swill that FOX News is somehow captive of the right wing,whatever that's supposed to be. The Big Three on TV cannot stand they have lost their audience, never to return, and their sluggos in the mainstream media keep throwing stones at FOX, but no one loves em but the audience.
WLW and ABC belong together, I think that was a good move. As for UPI, they're statewide wire services for Ohio and Indiana, at least, were terrible...it was absolutely worthless in Ohio unless your station was in the northeast quadrant of the state. It was cheaper than AP, obvioously for a reason.
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fred flintstone
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Fox feeds audio - newscasts, wraps and actualities - to stations. UPI was a wire service. UPI Audio started in 1966 when UPI acquired PRI. UPI Audio changed its name to UPI Radio Network in 1983 and sold out to AP Radio in 1999. The Washington Times acquired UPI, the wire service, in 2000.
You call Fox the "UPI Radio of today's radio universe," a clear reference to an audio service that existed in the past. UPI Audio operated in the "glory days" of UPI. It had ceased operation before the Washington Times took over what little was left of UPI. The Washington Times' "UPI" does not provide an audio service to radio broadcasters.
Nice "tapdancing" but there is no way your reference could indicate anything other than the old UPI and UPI Audio.
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FreddyE1977
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OhioMediaWatch said:
Excellent point! Television News and Radio News are quite different animals! You cannot just pick-up what you are doing on television and transport it to radio in a modular fashion. Fox did not seem to realize this and did not do their homework prior to the radio launch.
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