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WLW on XM - up and sounding good

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dldave1978

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Hello All,

Thrilled to be listening to WLW here in Atlanta. I worked very late last night so I was up in time to hear the news at noon today! I felt like I was at my house in Cincinnati. Outstanding. A bit disappointed that Willie wasn't on today - I was really looking forward to the 1:40 Stooge Report and hearing that for the first time sine I was in Cincinnati last. Oh well, tomorrow is another day - I'll hook it up in the garage (MiFi) while I am working outside in the 75 degree weather here in the south!!!

Take care all,
dave in atlanta.
 
This is the marketing angle I was hoping for

Satellite radio is holding promise for me know if this is the start of new direction in Satellite radio programming. For those us, like Dave, who transplant ourselves from our native "lands"; it would be nice to have the option to hear local stations from our hometowns.

Maybe more is to come.

t
 
Re: This is the marketing angle I was hoping for

> Satellite radio is holding promise for me know if this is
> the start of new direction in Satellite radio programming.
> For those us, like Dave, who transplant ourselves from our
> native "lands"; it would be nice to have the option to hear
> local stations from our hometowns.
>
> Maybe more is to come.
>
> t
>
I agree that it's great for Cincy expatriates, or if you live here and are traveling, but I don't envision people who have no connection to the city tuning in on a regular basis. Maybe DX radio geeks, but not the average listener.

Plus, isn't satellite radio supposed to be an alternative to local radio? This is a contradictory strategy on XM's part.
 
Re: This is the marketing angle I was hoping for

> Satellite radio is holding promise for me know if this is
> the start of new direction in Satellite radio programming.
> For those us, like Dave, who transplant ourselves from our
> native "lands"; it would be nice to have the option to hear
> local stations from our hometowns.
>
> Maybe more is to come.
>
> t
>

I, too hope this may be a trend....I would love to hear "big" am talkers or even FM rockers from other markets...would be a good alternative from the cookie cutter mentality of talk, music, sports....
 
The Oddity of WLW

> Plus, isn't satellite radio supposed to be an alternative to
> local radio? This is a contradictory strategy on XM's part.

As I've speculated elsewhere, it would appear WLW got the "We Have To Put Up A Clear Channel Feed So They Can Make Money In A Settlement" position because of its unique place in American talk radio.

It's one of a very small number of large market stations - and the ONLY one owned by Clear Channel - which carries no major load of syndicated programming.

WLW originates live from its Cincinnati studios 24 hours a day. Even the overnight trucking show, which is offered to other stations, comes from there.

Sure, a lot of it could be Cincinnati-centric (as you would expect), but many of its hosts focus on national issues and items, and have an entertainment factor to their shows.

It's difficult to think of many other stations in the same boat, which are live and local 24 hours. Maybe places like ABC's KGO in San Francisco, and Entercom's KIRO in Seattle? There aren't many other large talk stations which don't carry at very least Rush Limbaugh from noon to 3 Eastern. Who else am I missing? KFI gets mentioned, but it carries Rush and former local host Dr. Laura, and airs Premiere's "Coast to Coast AM" in late overnights (1-5 AM PT).

I wouldn't mind hearing a KGO or KIRO as a satellite radio channel. (BTW, like new XM addition WLW, KGO has a single syndicated show...Dr. Dean Edell's one hour medical show, who started at KGO and still broadcasts from the Bay Area. Unlike Steve Sommers' origination from WLW, Dr. Dean doesn't technically originate from Front Street in San Francisco, but KGO is basically his "flagship" station.)

But as I noted, I see this as nothing more than fulfilling a legal obligation, and not as a part of a possible future trend.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Just Maybe A GREAT Radio “Heritage” in Cincy

I have no idea what “the deal” between WLW and XM may be. Maybe they are on XM simply because they are a totally-local winner in a market with “heritage”. Hey, considering the “history” of 700, 1-2-3-WB, Rocket Radio 1360, Q-102 and WEBN—you’re market has CONSIDERABLE HERITAGE--noticed by folks outside the 275 loop. Believe it or not—It IS recognized from afar. Just this past week, I have had a dozen requests for “tape” on the debut of WDJO on its pathetic 1160 frequency. The same Oldies AM thing has happened often over the years on channels in other markets and gone unnoticed and uncared about--NOT in your local. It all points back to your colorful history—and the exeptional folks involved. Cincy—you’re radio has been awesome...out-of-towners notice, and many are interested...Maybe that's why "The Big One" is on XM.
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

The only mention of XM on Scott Sloan's show was when a call came from New Mexico...the topic couldn't have been more local..the AK Steel strike in Middletown.
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> The only mention of XM on Scott Sloan's show was when a call
> came from New Mexico...the topic couldn't have been more
> local..the AK Steel strike in Middletown.

I heard that.

I get the idea that the directive from Mr. Parks (CC Cincinnati AM operations manager and WLW Saturday midday host) is that they can mention it as an aside, but to not make a big deal about it.

For one, even though it's actually heard on XM now, I doubt WLW wants to basically spend a lot of time promoting the satellite service on its own airwaves. Even the liners which mention XM 173 are specific to that feed, and are not heard over-air or on the Internet.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> > The only mention of XM on Scott Sloan's show was when a
> call
> > came from New Mexico...the topic couldn't have been more
> > local..the AK Steel strike in Middletown.
>
> I heard that.
>
> I get the idea that the directive from Mr. Parks (CC
> Cincinnati AM operations manager and WLW Saturday midday
> host) is that they can mention it as an aside, but to not
> make a big deal about it.
>
> For one, even though it's actually heard on XM now, I doubt
> WLW wants to basically spend a lot of time promoting the
> satellite service on its own airwaves. Even the liners
> which mention XM 173 are specific to that feed, and are not
> heard over-air or on the Internet.
>
> -OA
>

Honestly I think they should mention it coming out of breaks, such as giving out the phone numbers. Other than that they need not dwell on it, local listeners will listen on whatever radio is convient and XM listeners that are listening to it can see what channel its on.
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

When you think about it, how much do they really want local listeners to skip listening to the local commercials?
 
Re: Just Maybe A GREAT Radio “Heritage” in Cincy

> Cincy—you’re radio has been
> awesome...out-of-towners notice, and many are
> interested...Maybe that's why "The Big One" is on XM.

I would think because they're basically live/local 24/7 (and since XM is cleared to run Reds games) that this makes sense because they can put the channel out at all times. Not too many station can claim that, and that's why we love WLW. In my neighboring Tempe, AZ, though, in probably in a neighborhood near you, too, citywide WiFi is being rolled out, and then I'll be able to pay $25/month for unlimited internet and save the $13 I'm paying for XM. Just plug my laptop or whatever other device into WLW's stream and voila!... satradio becomes irrelevant.
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> It's difficult to think of many other stations in the same
> boat, which are live and local 24 hours. Maybe places like
> ABC's KGO in San Francisco, and Entercom's KIRO in Seattle?
> There aren't many other large talk stations which don't
> carry at very least Rush Limbaugh from noon to 3 Eastern.
> Who else am I missing? KFI gets mentioned, but it carries
> Rush and former local host Dr. Laura, and airs Premiere's
> "Coast to Coast AM" in late overnights (1-5 AM PT).

I would say WLW has more national relevance than the pedantic discussions often found on KIRO, which has been dumping local programming for "When Radio Was" and similar syndication. KGO, perhaps.

KFI does run C2C from 10pm-5am now, and although it's still a great station, the fact that they're via sat (except for their great news) 11 hours/weekday makes it a difficult sell, especially with Rush. Of course, Dr. Laura and Coast are already heard on channels 166 and 165, respectively.

> I wouldn't mind hearing a KGO or KIRO as a satellite radio
> channel. (BTW, like new XM addition WLW, KGO has a single
> syndicated show...Dr. Dean Edell's one hour medical show,
> who started at KGO and still broadcasts from the Bay Area.
> Unlike Steve Sommers' origination from WLW, Dr. Dean doesn't
> technically originate from Front Street in San Francisco,
> but KGO is basically his "flagship" station.)
>
> But as I noted, I see this as nothing more than fulfilling a
> legal obligation, and not as a part of a possible future
> trend.
 
Talk on XM - an afterthought

> I agree that it's great for Cincy expatriates, or if you
> live here and are traveling, but I don't envision people who
> have no connection to the city tuning in on a regular basis.
> Maybe DX radio geeks, but not the average listener.
>
> Plus, isn't satellite radio supposed to be an alternative to
> local radio? This is a contradictory strategy on XM's part.

Well, I'm one of the few DX geeks who has XM, and, along the same lines, uses it for almost exclusively talk. So it's good to hear a great station that I was used to streaming from time to time, but the fact is that the vast majority of satradio subscribers are there for the music, and that the talk is an afterthought that takes up substantially less bandwidth it doesn't really matter. Since I'm one of the few listening to national appeal shows like Dr. Laura, John and Jeff, et al on XM, it would stand to reason that I'm one of even fewer who has even heard of or has any desire to tune into WLW way up there on channel 173.
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> When you think about it, how much do they really want local
> listeners to skip listening to the local commercials?
>

XM 173 plays all the local spots, and even plays local spots when the Reds are blacked out with the alternative programming. It reminds me alot of how stations didn't want to promote their websites heavially in the mid-late 90s. Honestly station websites have still not been used to their full potential.
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> XM 173 plays all the local spots, and even plays local spots
> when the Reds are blacked out with the alternative
> programming. It reminds me alot of how stations didn't want
> to promote their websites heavially in the mid-late 90s.
> Honestly station websites have still not been used to their
> full potential.

Assuming the speculation about the reason for WLW's presence on XM is correct, at some point they will start covering some or all local spot breaks on XM. They just haven't started doing it yet.

We know the satellite feed can separate, since the legal IDs (or quasi-legal on XM :) and pre/post-newscast liners are separate on XM.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

My understanding is that will change and seperate spots will be on the XM feed.
What are they running as alternative programming during the Reds?
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> Assuming the speculation about the reason for WLW's presence
> on XM is correct, at some point they will start covering
> some or all local spot breaks on XM. They just haven't
> started doing it yet.
>
> We know the satellite feed can separate, since the legal IDs
> (or quasi-legal on XM :) and pre/post-newscast liners are
> separate on XM.

Good... I thought they were actually running that new XM173 version on the air! Silly me... I heard Gary Burbank legally ID "WLW Cincinnati" before a couple spots and the news intro (gotta love those CC Ohio N/T blowtorches... they don't just run a legal ID, they run a whole story).
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> Good... I thought they were actually running that new XM173
> version on the air! Silly me... I heard Gary Burbank legally
> ID "WLW Cincinnati" before a couple spots and the news intro
> (gotta love those CC Ohio N/T blowtorches... they don't just
> run a legal ID, they run a whole story).

They indeed aren't running the XM liners on-air...I verified that the other day listening to WLW on my old-fashioned AM car radio :) And the first night they went on, and again last night, the overnight board op apparently doesn't know how to preempt the over-air liners on XM...both of 'em ran at the same time!

What's even more impressive - they produce the news opens with the date in it for XM as well. ("Your top stories for Friday, March 3rd...") It's probably easy, since they can just slide in the "XM 173" workpart in their editor, but it's still cool they do it.

The over-air news open/ID mentions "the tri-state", and the XM one does not.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

> My understanding is that will change and seperate spots will
> be on the XM feed.
> What are they running as alternative programming during the
> Reds?
>

The other day Sterling did a 4 hour XM only show. Calls in were very light though he also had 3 guests and some content that he wouldn't say on 700AM without making Phil Burress crap his pants, as he was talking about Asian Massage Parlors in some graphic detail (not really enough to get an XM XL on the channel but over the line for AM at 1pm). Anyway it was much better than listening to AA Chata I mean the Reds getting their butts kicked by Detroit.
 
Re: The Oddity of WLW

Just for the sake of picking nits, the on-air personality reads the legal ID in live programming, and the produced news open does not include it. Is kind of cool that they produce the dated news open for both. Will be interesting to see when Reds season starts full-force if they'll have Sloan on XM only..or possibly Bill Boschears. They could probably squeeze in Burbank's "Weekly Rearview" if needed on XM (it hasn't aired on WLW for months).
 
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