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WMBR lack of knowledge

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jane grant

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Far be it from me to only lurk when Nik Carter and Joe Vig actually agree on something (Slush Limbaugh).

We were listening to WMBR this morning - I have to disagree with Varulven -
the Music Director of the station was slamming the great Stones guitarist
Mick Taylor. He played an instrumental version of "Bitch" and seemed to
suddenly realize, duh, it was a Stones' tune. My husband called up and
bitched out the d.j. but the guy said it was his "opinion".

Are all the college jocks this arrogant and out of the loop?
 
jane grant said:
We were listening to WMBR this morning - I have to disagree with Varulven -
the Music Director of the station was slamming the great Stones guitarist
Mick Taylor. He played an instrumental version of "Bitch" and seemed to
suddenly realize, duh, it was a Stones' tune. My husband called up and
bitched out the d.j. but the guy said it was his "opinion". Are all the college jocks this arrogant and out of the loop?

He's not even a student, he's a community volunteer. He's from the elitist "hipper than thou" clique who essentially feel smug putting down anything that anyone has ever heard of. There's an element at some college stations that want the station to be so obscure that it's not just an alternative to commercial radio, but it also goes over everyone's heads and plays no artists that anyone has ever heard of. Then, their little clique tells one another how cool they are for doing that.

I'm all for playing little-known or unknown artists and their music on non-comm stations (if it's good, not just because it's obscure), but I think becoming arrogant about it and putting down known artists simply because they are known crosses a line that really sucks. These are the types of kids who don't want their college stations to play any of the vast amount of music by known artists that is not played (or no longer played) on commercial radio, which only plays the artists few greatest hits.

I realize that commercial radio has to limit itself to the hits to get ratings, but there's no good reason why a volunteer non-profit non-comm station that does not need ratings should take advantage of that fact by arrogantly alienating supportive listeners with a superior, elitist attitude, which was one of a number of reasons why I quit doing radio (on a regular basis) there a couple of years ago. Grad students with that attitude were in charge as GM and PD at that time. Fortunately, they no longer are.

Fortunately, today's L&F DJ was only filling in. There is no regular Wednesday host for that slot this summer, just a bunch of other staff subbing. The "Lost & Found" show has a different DJ each weekday, with a wide variety of styles. Larry Miller recreates late 60's/early 70's progressive FM AOR on Tuesdays with deep tracks by mostly known artists (exactly the kind of thing that the kid on today hates). That's the DJ that Varulven commented on yesterday. The other weekday jocks play all kinds of different stuff from the era, mostly obscure, but they don't go negative and trash known artists. That takes a certain type of obnoxious arrogance.
 
Good points Eli, I also was a community member at a college station. (Up the dial a bit and couple towns North of WMBR). I left for a while because being a non student dj was not in the interest of the exec staff. However, since it is the summer and most of the students are gone, I've gone back. (Just when I think I'm out of it.....). It seems fine so far but maybe its because most of the students are gone. Hopefully the summer will be fun with no pressure.
 
Poor Morgan Huke at WMFO has been harassed by the revolving door of students for years; Tufts University has an alleged policy that they won't be "surrogate parents" to the students; when I sued the P.D. after discovering 2,000 CDs were thrown in the trash (some great stuff including Lou Reed music, Ronny James Dio; material they could've given to the Tufts Library across the street) the college hired an attorney for the Program Director - which was a violation of Tufts own rules and regulations as I understood them. The P.D., by the way, had
nominated himself (usually at the Tufts gatherings someone nominates a person then a vote is taken).

But the problem with WMFO is that a really nice guy like Morgan Huke, who was the producer for the late
Shawn Patrick Murphy, really turned the station around with his dedication to the music dept. Not only did
MFO lose Murphy and Mikey Dee, Morgan has had serious health issues and hospitilization lately - and one wonders if it isn't the stress brought on by the incessant harassment by the students at the station???
 
Varulven said:
But the problem with WMFO is that a really nice guy like Morgan Huke, who was the producer for the late Shawn Patrick Murphy, really turned the station around with his dedication to the music dept. Not only did MFO lose Murphy and Mikey Dee, Morgan has had serious health issues and hospitilization lately - and one wonders if it isn't the stress brought on by the incessant harassment by the students at the station???

I know Morgan, and I appreciate the good work he's done, and empathize with the situation. I knew Shawn and Mikey too. I also acknowledge the mind/body connection regarding health issues, being a holistic health afficionado. However, I don't think WMFO was responsible for Morgan's recent battle with prostate cancer. Mikey's paralysis was (in my personal opinion) the result of a botched medical procedure for another problem, and Shawn's sudden heart attack in the 90's remains a mystery as far as I know, though he already had related health problems. These are serious health conditions which I can't believe that strife at a volunteer college radio station could be responsible for. I hear that Morgan has been doing better since treatment, and appears to be beating it. Let's hope so.
 
I just don't think the years of students putting Morgan in a state of emotional distress helped his battle at all.
Having first-hand knowledge of how they abuse Morgan day in and day out, and many of the other volunteers,
it's a wonder anyone outside of the student body will dare go in there. Marc from Imass radio warned me not to go to WMFO because of the students - and knowing what they did to Morgan, I walked in anyway. They were vicious - even after I brought a music director backstage to meet Lou Reed, they still acted jealous of my contacts and the 13 shifts THIRTEEN SHIFTS I did when people couldn't show up to do their own show.

No gratitude up there. Having known Morgan for decades myself and colleagues of his agree he found his niche doing the music programming for WMFO. Out of all the work Morgan's done in the music industry -from booking bands in the 60's (he's still booking a room in Gloucester, I hear) to management, his work at WMFO stands as his most personally fulfilling (from what I have seen) - and is a great contribution.

The students were so apathetic that Tufts almost shut the station down in 1997. The summer of 1997 one of the Deans told me, there were just about NO students and ALL VOLUNTEERS keeping the station alive.

Having interviewed another jock for the Medford Transcript and knowing many of the artists that have played at the station, it is my opinion that 91.5 FM Medford/Boston is one of the most wasted signals of any college station in this market. What a pity. Tufts doesn't care and the students use it as a social gathering, not the public airwaves and certainly without any dignity for the volunteers or the listening audience. TV 3 Medford had to pull WMFO off of the simulcast because of some buffoons allegedly chatting about necrophilia at dinnertime and dropping a few choice FCC violation words ... allegedly. The former TV 3 station manager went down to the station and pulled the plug on the simulcast, denying MFO of listeners on the TV - of which there are many in Medford.

Me pointing this out to the Dean made me "the bad guy." Too bad. Tufts IS a surrogate parent to these kids, as long as they pay their fee to the almighty college they can ruin the radio.

And the record collection was in worse condition in 2000 than WMWM's - which I helped put into better organization a month or so ago...
 
and to think I was thinking of contacting WMFO to see about being a volunteer community dj....
 
I can't say I know anything at all about WMFO; the station doesn't come in where I live.

I don't think most colleges know what to do with radio stations. College administrators and faculty do not seem to understand how radio works or what it can do for them, and stations are largely ignored unless they become embarrassments (e.g. WXPN at the University of Pennsylvania in 1975).
 
I think college radio shouldn't restrict itself to music no one knows about. Case in point: dance music! Most dance songs only get airtime on about 8 stations in the country. Many new top 40 songs get played first on dance radio (Lady Gaga was heard first on a dance station for example).

College radio's original purpose was to provide an alternative to commercial radio and to play music that will become tomorrow's hits. Dance fits that purpose.
 
The institutional ethos of many...one might say "most"...of the "prototypical" college radio stations is that they provide an alternative to commercial radio. This ethos largely grew out of the early days of these stations, in the mid 1970's - just before FM was to come into its own as a viable broadcast service in competition with AM. At the time, bands like R.E.M. were considered "alternative", and thus got heavy play on college radio. But that was a reflection of just how staid and conservative (for lack of a less-politically-charged word) most commercial radio was.

Then in the late 1980's and early 1990's, the grunge movement came around...and a lot of struggling commercial stations realized that these "dinky little college radio" stations were getting real audiences by playing "alternative" music. One could argue this is how the "alternative" genre actually became a genre, instead of a programming statement.

The problem is, with the mainstream suddenly playing all the bands that were considered "alternative", college radio suddenly had to go much, much further outside the mainstream to continue adhering to the original ethos of being an alternative to commercial radio. And that was their downfall; instead of fostering out-of-the-mainstream genres and bands and moving them into the mainstream...college radio became a wasteland of "indier-than-thou", where DJ's actually compete to see who can play artists that the audience cares less about.

In other words, college radio found a good beach to surf on, and caught a few great waves. Then, when their beach got crowded, instead of finding another good beach...they moved inland to a small lake and started bitching about how there's no waves. ::)

The core problem of course, is accountability. There is precious little of it at most college radio stations. One might argue there's not much accountability at most colleges, period. But without that accountability, it's very easy for bad habits to get entrenched very quickly whether the DJ's are mostly students or mostly community volunteers.

Today the problem is compounded because most incoming students are barely aware that radio exists as a medium, what with competition from iPhones, Pandora and whatnot. It's depressing how few of my students even OWN a radio besides the one in their car. It's not easy to get them excited and interested in radio without ceding an awful lot to their egos. That tends to mean you get some of the worst aspects of "college radio" - fragmented programming, poor technical operations, rambling/mumbling stopsets, etc. But depending on your college they may only want you to provide a "student activity" which means a "fun thing for students to do"...and letting them be "in charge" and stroking egos is often "fun". Plus, if you try to whip 'em into shape, they just quit. :p

Similarly, it's hard to attract skilled community volunteers that'll tolerate being whipped into shape. Not when you can't pay them, nor can you offer a big signal in a major market (which very few "college radio" stations can do). And the college usually doesn't want to pay for staff...not unless it's a public radio outlet which is another kettle of fish entirely.
 
famous-worldwide DJs encouraging the listening of WMBR was a new one to me. leave it to Teep to arrange such coincidences.
 
I don't think there's any definition of "college radio" that applies universally. WBRU, WERS, WHRB, and WZBC are all college stations, yet they do very different things.

Some college stations have an explicitly educational mission; others are purely extracurricular activities; and still others might better be called community radio stations, even if they are nominally provided by college for the use of students.

Then there are the WXPNs and WBURs of the world: college-owned, but not student-operated.
 
I don't think there's any definition of "college radio" that applies universally.

There isn't. That's why I put "college radio" in quotes. I was denoting the more stereotypical "basement radio / obscure music / located at a college" schema of college radio that everyone knows but is hard to really define. Personally, I consider "college radio" a genre more than anything else. The same way that "Triple-A" or "Modern Rock" is a genre. It doesn't really matter too much about the station itself, nor do the individual DJ's or even the individual songs played matter. What matters in the definition is the overall style of programming.

Of course, the problem is that for a lot of reasons, who owns the station and who actually works at the station can matter a lot more at a "college radio" station than for most others. There are real legal and regulatory differences between them and "public radio" stations (which typically receive CPB funding, for example) nevermind commercial stations.

WBRU, WERS, WHRB, and WZBC are all college stations, yet they do very different things.

Exactly. And don't forget WFMU which isn't owned or connected to a college at all...but yet it certainly has something of a "college radio" sound and feel to it.
 
I look at "college radio" today as what early underground FM stations were in the late 60s early 70s. They are not "locked in" to a specific rotation of music. They can play any style they want and the DJs don't have the corporate suits reminding them that the station needs to make a "profit."
I think that there are a number of good (and bad) shows on the various college stations. It is sad that some of the "students" are not able to spin a vinyl record, but I think that is a problem with training. I know that when I would train a student in the studio, I would teach them on all the equipment. This year they taught me how to use a PC, which helps so that I'm not lugging in 20-30 CDs. (But I still bring in about a dozen).
And I love WFMU, I wish that we could have a commercial station like that in the Boston area on free airwaves and not have to have some special radio to listen to it. (Freeform BCN)
 
aaronread said:
... Don't forget WFMU which isn't owned or connected to a college at all...but yet it certainly has something of a "college radio" sound and feel to it.

WFMU was originally the station of the defunct Upsala College (E. Orange, NJ) when it came on the air over 50 years ago. A number of years before Upsala College closed its doors, WFMU "seceded" from the college, and became an independent community station.

Independent community station WCUW in Worcester similarly "seceded" from Clark University many years ago.

jake1966 said:
And I love WFMU, I wish that we could have a commercial station like that in the Boston area...

WFMU is not commercial, it's non-comm, listener supported.
 
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