The previous owners of the 95.3/95.7 combo spent thousands of dollars trying to figure out a move-in into Dayton and could not..Louisville on 95.7, Richmond on 96.1, Lancaster and Indianapolis on 95.5 and probably others are all factors. 95.7 will be in Shelby county probably until the end of time. Cox doesn't own enough to move signals around the way Jacor and later CC did..they really went on a spree of buying nearly every signal they could get their hands on in Ohio to play musical chairs. Some of the chairs really did need to be moved around.
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Yeah, when you own all the stations that would possibly be affected, you certianly aren't going to object to a bigger city move. Remember the whoel Hillsborough station thing? It's the reason they are putting it on 106.7 and I believe they are moving that station further away. Smart if you ask me. I know there is another 93.3 in Ohio. It's in Youngstown and it is a class B 50,000 watts. It's owned by CC, but I think the possibility exists that if someone else owned it, they may have objected to the Ashville move.
techie2 said:Dirty_Harry said:Is Cox as aggressive as CC when it comes to moving signals around? Maybe they can't (or won't) move them in? Remember, CC signed a consent decree with the Justice Department saying they wouldn't buy any more stations in Columbus when they bought Jacor (or was it when Jacor bought Nationwide?) There must have been some kind of loophole that allowed them to move in a signal they already owned, because they are in the process of moving two signals in. I willing to bet the Dispatch could have pulled off the same thing, if they had any creativity.
Cox isn't as aggressive as CC. CC buys down into the smaller markets in order to get them moved out of the way (i.e. buying 105.5 in Washington CH to move it south in order to accomplish the 105.7 move-in.) I haven't really noticed Cox doing this.
Oh, Cox can be plenty aggressive when they want to be. A few years ago they did some big maneuvering to get a 100k FM moved 90 miles (!) to Atlanta from Anniston, Alabama. (It's actually licensed to an Atlanta suburb, but the transmitter is downtown.) There was tons of loud opposition to the move, but Cox prevailed. Atlanta happens to be one of the markets that, like Columbus, has historically been short on big signals relative to its population (which is of course a lot higher than Columbus's).
pbf1 said:Nu_Roo_2 said:While I'm not thrilled about seeing small towns lose some local service, I agree with Dirty_Harry that Columbus really got the shaft on big-signal allocations and that some sort of adjustment is justified.
Ironically, there was once a full-signal Columbus FM on 98.7 (50's, maybe 60's...I remember reading it in some old Broadcasting Yearbooks at OSU)!
That's a shocker! But maybe one (or more) of the "big six" FM allocations didn't exist back then???
If you check your history, I believe that Anniston-to-Atlanta move-in was done by Susquehanna (WWWQ, now owned by Cumulus), not Cox. Understandable to think Cox did it, since they own just about everything worth owning in Atlanta already.
From Wikipedia:
"Susquehanna originally proposed that the station be licensed to Sandy Springs, and remain at 100,000 watts ERP (class C). An agreement had been made with the nearest co-channel station, WSSL-FM in upstate South Carolina for it to move further away, however this never happened, and the FCC eventually denied the request for this reason. The second proposal was approved due to both a change in city of license, and in the class of station from C1 (up to 100 kW) down to C3 (up to 25 kW) to avoid WSSL-FM."
"Susquehanna originally proposed that the station be licensed to Sandy Springs, and remain at 100,000 watts ERP (class C). An agreement had been made with the nearest co-channel station, WSSL-FM in upstate South Carolina for it to move further away, however this never happened, and the FCC eventually denied the request for this reason. The second proposal was approved due to both a change in city of license, and in the class of station from C1 (up to 100 kW) down to C3 (up to 25 kW) to avoid WSSL-FM."
A funny story:
I once picked up Q100 in Ohio on either a heck of a tropo or a touch of e-skip; it was the only unusual thing I got, so I wasn't sure what was happening.
I didn't know it was Q100 at first, but narrowing things down a few hours later by format and reasonable expectations left only Q100. So, I gave the studio line a call, told the guy something interesting might have happened, and asked him to check the music and spots from several hours back.
Yep, it was Q100! I told him where I had heard him. He refused to believe me -- insisting I must have been streaming the station and calling him just to tick him off, he said, "You can't even get us in Gwinnett...there's no way you heard us in Ohio."
"No, I was driving in my car near (I don't remember) in southern Ohio. There was a relatively close West Virginia station on that frequency that I was listening to. I went around some curves in some hills; it went away, and you came in."
"Yeah, yeah, I gotta go."
Click.
By the way, Cox did do a move-in in Atlanta; it was 95.5, I believe.
I once picked up Q100 in Ohio on either a heck of a tropo or a touch of e-skip; it was the only unusual thing I got, so I wasn't sure what was happening.
I didn't know it was Q100 at first, but narrowing things down a few hours later by format and reasonable expectations left only Q100. So, I gave the studio line a call, told the guy something interesting might have happened, and asked him to check the music and spots from several hours back.
Yep, it was Q100! I told him where I had heard him. He refused to believe me -- insisting I must have been streaming the station and calling him just to tick him off, he said, "You can't even get us in Gwinnett...there's no way you heard us in Ohio."
"No, I was driving in my car near (I don't remember) in southern Ohio. There was a relatively close West Virginia station on that frequency that I was listening to. I went around some curves in some hills; it went away, and you came in."
"Yeah, yeah, I gotta go."
Click.
By the way, Cox did do a move-in in Atlanta; it was 95.5, I believe.
Well, I'm not sure if this is the correct place to put my reply but I'll try. I made note the 106.7 is now quiet.
Chuck
Chuck
columbus radio fan said:http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1407A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1407A1.doc
The "committee" petition for reconsideration for the WMRN move has been denied again, so WMRN is one step closer to the move.
Dirty_Harry said:I think it's pretty much a crock that a large market like Columbus has so few big-time signals, both AM and FM. Why waste 50,000 watts on Chillicothe or Mansfield while having a bunch of crummy 6,000 watt stations in a large city like Columbus.
I understand the argument where "Columbus is underdeveloped" concerning wattage, but why say that small towns or villages are wasting the wattage they have, or remaining wattage when they lose stations to contribute to a larger market in most cases? Where Chillicothe is concerned; from what I have observed and read, the move to Ashville wasn't a bad deal for CC, or the market it left behind with one core FM and two AMs in its sted despite the frequency change and time it took to move it. Since the 50k stayed in Chillicothe, I've not felt any inclination that it is being wasted, especially for the larger region it serves and in the fashion it serves it. Let's face it, that 50k does not just serve Chillicothe, it serves a broad area of communities. However, I completely aggree with Dirty_Harry and Nu_roo about the allocations as well as the simple question, "why aren't upgrades really possible?" Columbus indeed deserves better concideration by the FCC while it has no doubtedly grown over the years.
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