WNCI had 21 minutes of commercials in the 11:00 am hour

[fedacct1]

You are commenting on one market's and one owner's implementation of a single format. And taking your example of WNCI and converting it to a condemnation of all CHR stations in Ohio.

With no evidence or points of comparison, you are condemning the entire market and state's CHR stations. Yet, despite WKRP's image, Ohio has had some great Top 40 stations going back to WERE, WHK, WIXY and WCOL and WSAI and WCPO. And there were good medium market ones like WHOT in Youngstown and WING in Dayton to name just two.

If you can't post specific comparisons, don't post.

You do have to have the last word, don’t you? I’m not at all surprised you had to reply to my last post on the 105.9 the Oasis thread, which I never read because I’m not going to argue with you. For some reason, you were singling me out when it was actually somebody else that questioned why we needed another religious station that was delivering the same message.

Many of these posts are merely commentaries and opinions. After all, it’s a discussion board. My posts aren’t any different than ones I’ve been posting for the past several years without any problem and no different from what others are posting. You’ve never said anything before. Now, suddenly it’s a problem. So once again you’re singling me out.

Will you leave me alone? Please! Your attitude towards me is menacing and bordering on harassment.

You have some sort of problem with me, and I’m trying to ignore you.

 

[fedacct1]

You are commenting on one market's and one owner's implementation of a single format. And taking your example of WNCI and converting it to a condemnation of all CHR stations in Ohio.

With no evidence or points of comparison, you are condemning the entire market and state's CHR stations. Yet, despite WKRP's image, Ohio has had some great Top 40 stations going back to WERE, WHK, WIXY and WCOL and WSAI and WCPO. And there were good medium market ones like WHOT in Youngstown and WING in Dayton to name just two.

If you can't post specific comparisons, don't post.

Also, a message of this nature would have been more appropriately delivered as a private email, not as a post to a message board for all to see. I also think you’re being rather dramatic.

You might be interested in the following post. I had to confirm my assessment of this situation was on target. I will be posting my experience there as well.

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Honestly, I haven’t had any problems with most of the people here except for you and a couple you’re sycophants, which I notice in the next comment one has ridden in on their white horse praising you. Of course, he had to throw in he was in the military (what does that have to do with anything).

Given you’re moderator/administrator, you‘re clearly discriminate, and don’t want me here, there’s no point in me continuing with this website. It’s an unpleasant experience. You’re a very rude and obnoxious person. You sound like a very bitter old radio programmer that doesn’t make very much money. So please go ahead and ban me. I don’t want to be here anymore.

 

[The Diamond]

Thank you David for getting this thread off the bickering and back on to radio. You are indeed right about some of the great radio stations. As a person who was in the military and also traveled alot over the years, I can say that Ohio's market and stations are second to none!

 

[Nu_Roo_2]

As a person who was in the military and also traveled alot over the years, I can say that Ohio's market and stations are second to none!

IMO other Ohio markets have had some great stations, but Columbus...not so much. One theory I've long had is that Columbus has historically been under-radioed in big FM and AM signals, so stations here haven't had to compete as hard, and could win with a less-engaging product. This was doubly true before consolidation, which eliminated winning as the goal for many individual stations nationally.

 

[bturner1]

fedacct1 your comments are over the top and plain rude to be blunt. A typical reaction is to create an issue and blame it on the person who points out the issue you create. Instead why not evaluate your comments from the perspective of one working at the station(s) you comment on.

 

[xmusicmatt]

IMO other Ohio markets have had some great stations, but Columbus...not so much. One theory I've long had is that Columbus has historically been under-radioed in big FM and AM signals, so stations here haven't had to compete as hard, and could win with a less-engaging product. This was doubly true before consolidation, which eliminated winning as the goal for many individual stations nationally.

True honestly WNCI could have always been so much more for a CHR with that monster signal example in the 90's era they tried to target "Sunny" head on with their "not to hard not to lite' when the 90's was boomin' with some amazing CHR music! - I remember when The Power Pig came on and then morphed into Hot 105.7. That was a legit station despite its signal issues being in Marysville. I grew up listening to "Super Q 93.7" struggling to wiggle the antenna just right to pick up "Open House Party" at night to hear the songs WNCI would not touch!

Clearly there was a 'reason' after the consideration happened that iHeart moved a handful of signals into Columbus! If WNCI had a solid Class B or Class C signal in the 90s as a competitor I wonder if WNCI would still be the format it is today or if someone else would have came in and ruled as CHR king.

Just look at what Nationwide did with WCOL 92.3 in 1994 moving to country and basically pushing out every other "weaker" country signal in the market!

Interesting fact is that Nationwide at the time owned both WNCI and WCOL I wonder if in the 90s they were more focused on making WCOL the Country king and without WNCI having 'serious competition' it just kind of muttered along as is. From the Jacor days to Clear Channel and now iHeart it honestly has been a fairly run of the mill CHR format without much excitement.

My two cents at least.

 

[william#1]

I was listening to DL hughley on 95.5 and noticed that they take three breaks, each break lasting 6 to 7 minutes. 106.7 also has a national afternoon show hosted by Angela Yee that takes two extended breaks, both 10 minutes long. When the stations are local the commercial breaks are around 7 minutes when they're airing a national show the breaks become longer. So I'm assuming Ryan seacrest is why WNCI had such a long break in the 11:00 a.m. hour

 

[TheBigA]

I'm assuming Ryan seacrest is why WNCI had such a long break in the 11:00 a.m. hour

Nope. Earlier in this thread we posted the format clock for Seacrest.

 

[william#1]

Just giving you the answer national shows have more commercials then when the station is local. I suppose my ears are lying to me though lmao

 

[TheBigA]

Just giving you the answer national shows have more commercials then when the station is local. I suppose my ears are lying to me though lmao

Depends on the show. Ryan Seacrest has a total of 12 minutes an hour:

http://engineering.premiereradio.com/pro4p/files/clocks/On_Air_Ryan_SeacrestFTP_CHR%20Hr3.pdf

Ten minutes of local, plus two minutes national. Two breaks an hour.

 

[william#1]

I'm glad you bring that up, because the breaks went on for sure 10 minutes and not all of those were paid commercials. I don't know if WNCI is able to do this while broadcasting Ryan seacrest, but the DJ can just give the weather during a song intro. Some iHeartRadio artist on the rise promo can be played in between songs. I swear they jammed every promo weather update along with the commercials which inflated the break immensely. I don't know how they're currently doing the commercials but what I heard when I first started this post was a sloppy break. Like I said not all of those were commercials but to the average person's ear, if they're not playing a song or the DJ is talking then it's all a commercial. I know that's not true but that's how it feels to the average listener

 

[william#1]

I know Seacrest isn't live on WNCI, so theoretically, they can do whatever they want, I just am wondering if all the iHeart stations get a national afternoon feed or if WNCI just gets the clips and can air them however they feel.

 

[TheBigA]

I'm glad you bring that up, because the breaks went on for sure 10 minutes

You obviously didn't look at the clock I linked. It clearly says: ''Local Break: 5:00.''

Ten minutes total per hour, split over two breaks.

I know Seacrest isn't live on WNCI, so theoretically, they can do whatever they want, I just am wondering if all the iHeart stations get a national afternoon feed or if WNCI just gets the clips and can air them however they feel.

It's their choice.

 

[william#1]

No, I just timed each break with a stopwatch, I suppose the stopwatch lied lmao I never thought a stopwatch could lie but I suppose it did

 

[william#1]

That and I looked at what time it was when the break started and what time it was when it ended I guess my clock lied as well.

 

[bturner1]

The more I think about this, it was an isolated issue where something was not working correctly and the computer filled with commercials, promos and such until the issue was resolved.

Not long ago, the station I worked for tried to start their live talk program without success. We went through about 7 minutes of commercials, station promos and such before the issue corrected. At my station a stop set is no more than 4 units.

 

[davideduardo]

You do have to have the last word, don’t you?

Yes, in this case I did have to post because you were condemning a whole's state's worth of CHR stations based on your personal evaluation of one specific station. And I made that post because, as a moderator, I have an obligation to try to control the fact-less evaluation of good, successful stations based on purely personal non-professional criteria.

I’m not at all surprised you had to reply to my last post on the 105.9 the Oasis thread, which I never read because I’m not going to argue with you. For some reason, you were singling me out when it was actually somebody else that questioned why we needed another religious station that was delivering the same message.

Again, radio stations have owners and their owners decide what to do with them. If I want to buy and run a religious station in a market that already has one or more stations in that (very broad and unspecific) category, that is what I will do. There is no regulation that limits the stations in any category.

Many of these posts are merely commentaries and opinions. After all, it’s a discussion board. My posts aren’t any different than ones I’ve been posting for the past several years without any problem and no different from what others are posting. You’ve never said anything before. Now, suddenly it’s a problem. So once again you’re singling me out.

Because your post was an extreme example of making conclusions with no facts; in this case condemning CHR stations in Ohio because you, personally, don't like one of them. If you had evidence of poor performance based on ratings or demographics or revenue, then that is different.

Will you leave me alone? Please! Your attitude towards me is menacing and bordering on harassment.

You have some sort of problem with me, and I’m trying to ignore you.

Whatever... as moderator, our job is to try to keep discussions based on fact, not unsubstantiated condemnations of good radio stations.

 

[davideduardo]

Given you’re moderator/administrator, you‘re clearly discriminate, and don’t want me here, there’s no point in me continuing with this website. It’s an unpleasant experience. You’re a very rude and obnoxious person. You sound like a very bitter old radio programmer that doesn’t make very much money. So please go ahead and ban me. I don’t want to be here anymore.

Bye-bye.

This is a perfect example of your total ignorance of facts. I'll give some facts... not to brag but to show how inaccurate your assumptions are:

I'm hardly an "old radio programmer" as I've been in group ownership in a major market, manager in a number of major markets, consultant in even bigger markets and an EVP supervising over 60 large market U.S. radio stations.

I'm so "bitter" that the NAB and the Library of American Broadcasting Foundation a few months ago gave me their fist award for preservation of broadcast history.

I won't discuss income, but I've spent a high 6-figure amount on the reason for that award, www.worldradiohistory.com. The purpose and origin of that website was to present easy and no-cost access to documentation of the history or radio and TV broadcasting precisely to counter the misinformation contained in so many places... such as your recent post.

If one of the other moderators wishes to ban you, that's their decision. For the moment, I find it more interesting to state my case so that others understand that some degree of facts and knowledge should be employed in every post.

 

[davideduardo]

You obviously didn't look at the clock I linked. It clearly says: ''Local Break: 5:00.''

Ten minutes total per hour, split over two breaks.

It's their choice.

We used to see some of this with Stern, where he would not "call for" a break and stations ended up with two breaks having to run consecutively.

And, historically, such instances could happen when the cue tone for "EOM" (End of Message) was missing or not detected and whatever it was just kept on running.

 

[TheBigA]

We used to see some of this with Stern, where he would not "call for" a break and stations ended up with two breaks having to run consecutively.

That's right. The spots have to run. They are contractually and legally obligated to run at in the scheduled hour. The spots have the contract, not the songs. If they don't run as scheduled, then they have to be made good. That may also be what happened here. But let's be clear about this: The spots have to run. They're in the contract. The time has been sold. That time belongs to the advertiser.