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WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies?

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TheJudge

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The speculation has been WNEW flipping to Jack. With this outa left-field move, Infinity has opened up a format hole that WNEW could fill. CBS-FM was tied for 7th place 12+ in NYC. NEW-FM was 16th. That's a very tempting position for NEW-FM to try to occupy.

Is this the opening gambit in an Infinity strategic re-alignment?
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> The speculation has been WNEW flipping to Jack. With this
> outa left-field move, Infinity has opened up a format hole
> that WNEW could fill. CBS-FM was tied for 7th place 12+
> in NYC. NEW-FM was 16th. That's a very tempting position
> for NEW-FM to try to occupy.
>
> Is this the opening gambit in an Infinity strategic
> re-alignment?

That would be the most boneheaded move to lead all boneheaded Infinity moves. Infinity would have easily put Jack on 102.7 if they wanted to keep the oldies format. And the huge speculation was 102.7 flipping to Jack. As far the "speculation" regarding this subject, I don't know where you're getting that information.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> That would be the most boneheaded move to lead all
> boneheaded Infinity moves. Infinity would have easily put
> Jack on 102.7 if they wanted to keep the oldies format. And
> the huge speculation was 102.7 flipping to Jack. As far the
> "speculation" regarding this subject, I don't know where
> you're getting that information.

Not necessarily...

If Jack had debuted on 102.7, chances are NYC wouldnt have even noticed.

With the Jack format debuting on a much more sucessful frequency, people WILL notice and the word-of-mouth will be more far-reaching than had the flip happened on 'NEW.
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> > The speculation has been WNEW flipping to Jack. With this
>
> > outa left-field move, Infinity has opened up a format hole
>
> > that WNEW could fill. CBS-FM was tied for 7th place 12+
>
> > in NYC. NEW-FM was 16th. That's a very tempting position
>
> > for NEW-FM to try to occupy.
> >
> > Is this the opening gambit in an Infinity strategic
> > re-alignment?
>
> That would be the most boneheaded move to lead all
> boneheaded Infinity moves. Infinity would have easily put
> Jack on 102.7 if they wanted to keep the oldies format. And
> the huge speculation was 102.7 flipping to Jack. As far the
> "speculation" regarding this subject, I don't know where
> you're getting that information.


Why so cranky, Diamond Joe?

The guy was just thinking out loud. It doesn't make sense though.

-- "Follow the money."
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> > That would be the most boneheaded move to lead all
> > boneheaded Infinity moves. Infinity would have easily put
> > Jack on 102.7 if they wanted to keep the oldies format.
> And
> > the huge speculation was 102.7 flipping to Jack. As far
> the
> > "speculation" regarding this subject, I don't know where
> > you're getting that information.
>
> Not necessarily...
>
> If Jack had debuted on 102.7, chances are NYC wouldnt have
> even noticed.
>
> With the Jack format debuting on a much more sucessful
> frequency, people WILL notice and the word-of-mouth will be
> more far-reaching than had the flip happened on 'NEW.


Your name should be WHOM do you think? Not who.

People will find JACK.

Honestly though, are you getting tired of all these JACK flips around the country?

It is getting old fast.

-- "Follow the money."
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> If Jack had debuted on 102.7, chances are NYC wouldnt have
> even noticed.
>
> With the Jack format debuting on a much more successful
> frequency, people WILL notice and the word-of-mouth will be
> more far-reaching than had the flip happened on 'NEW.

Good point... It *is* getting people to talk, that's for sure... Same in Chicago... And keep that in mind, you've got two cities where Oldies stations have flipped to Variety Hits at the same time...

We remember when WNEW had a pre-format stunt leading up to the ill-fated "Blink" format. It took building it up for people to talk about it. You're right in that a WNEW flip to Jack would have flown under the radar... But I am still of the opinion that Infinity made a resounding statement by flipping two Oldies stations in two top markets. And I'm sure L.A. isn't too far behind at this point.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> > That would be the most boneheaded move to lead all
> > boneheaded Infinity moves. Infinity would have easily put
> > Jack on 102.7 if they wanted to keep the oldies format.
> And
> > the huge speculation was 102.7 flipping to Jack. As far
> the
> > "speculation" regarding this subject, I don't know where
> > you're getting that information.
>
>
> Why so cranky, Diamond Joe?
>
> The guy was just thinking out loud. It doesn't make sense
> though.

I didn't mean to come across as cranky. But Infinity has pulled some crooked moves in the past. (And to be fair, I'm sure Clear Channel may have had a few of their own, but we're not talking about that at this moment...) I mean, for example, "Blink-FM" - that was a HUGE disappointment.
My point was that it would be illogical for a company to give up a format on one frequency, just to retain it on the other.

I won't stop anyone from thinking out loud on this forum. I enjoy doing so myself.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> Your name should be WHOM do you think? Not who.

When's the last time you heard anybody say "WhoM do you think it is???"

That's just dumb.
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> > Your name should be WHOM do you think? Not who.
>
> When's the last time you heard anybody say "WhoM do you
> think it is???"
>
> That's just dumb.

Now then, let's not get into a linguistics argument... Cool off, gentlemen...<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Is it a stunt?

I've seen some speculation on other boards that this may be a stunt. CBS-FM gets all the attention for the move to Jack and then announces the Oldies are back, but you can get your Jack at WNEW-FM. Comments?
 
> The speculation has been WNEW flipping to Jack. With this
> outa left-field move, Infinity has opened up a format hole
> that WNEW could fill. CBS-FM was tied for 7th place 12+
> in NYC. NEW-FM was 16th. That's a very tempting position
> for NEW-FM to try to occupy.
>
> Is this the opening gambit in an Infinity strategic
> re-alignment?
>


Why? if CBS which has been aorund and known for years as an oldies station isnt doing well, why would anyone flip WNEW to oldies?.
 
Re: Is it a stunt? Not here

> I've seen some speculation on other boards that this may be
> a stunt. CBS-FM gets all the attention for the move to Jack
> and then announces the Oldies are back, but you can get your
> Jack at WNEW-FM. Comments?

I believe something like this went down in Pittsburgh... But keep in mind: that's Pittsburgh we're talking about here... I don't think you'd want to double over New Yorkers on counts of disloyalty. You talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face... If it worked out for the better in Pittsburgh, good for them. New York will have to get used to 101.1 abandoning segues from the Supremes to America to the Beatles, to segues from Nirvana to Gretchen Wilson to Rick James.

The end. (Of oldies.)<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Will WCBS-FM's Loss Be WKHL 96.7's Gain?

(This was originally its own thread, but in an effort to eliminate some of the expected clutter on the front of this board, I'm "subrooting" the thread to this location.)

Ozman wrote:

> Just a thought. with wcbs-Fm gone how do you think wkhl kool
> 96.7 from stamford ct (my backyard area) will do in the nyc
> area in the ratings seeming thir signal goes well into nj

It's quite possible. In the Bronx, Westchester and some parts of Long Island, 96.7 is receivable.

Stranger things have happened. Within months of the oldies station in Orlando flipping to a Spanish format, an oldies station from a nearby Florida city, I believe it's Vero Beach, found its way into the next trends. Under a 1 rating, but it was a sharp increase for that station.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why? What?? Sure it does!

> > > That would be the most boneheaded move to lead all
> > > boneheaded Infinity moves. Infinity would have easily
> put
> > > Jack on 102.7 if they wanted to keep the oldies format.
> > And
> > > the huge speculation was 102.7 flipping to Jack. As far
> > the
> > > "speculation" regarding this subject, I don't know where
>
> > > you're getting that information.
> >
> >
> > Why so cranky, Diamond Joe?
> >
> > The guy was just thinking out loud. It doesn't make sense
>
> > though.
>
> I didn't mean to come across as cranky. But Infinity has
> pulled some crooked moves in the past. (And to be fair, I'm
> sure Clear Channel may have had a few of their own, but
> we're not talking about that at this moment...) I mean, for
> example, "Blink-FM" - that was a HUGE disappointment.
> My point was that it would be illogical for a company to
> give up a format on one frequency, just to retain it on the
> other.

What do you mean it would be illogical for a company to give up a format on
one frequency just to retain it on the other? This happens all the time! Not only that but if they did WNEW-102.7 would finally be making some money too!

> I won't stop anyone from thinking out loud on this forum. I
> enjoy doing so myself.
>
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> > If Jack had debuted on 102.7, chances are NYC wouldnt have
>
> > even noticed.
> >
> > With the Jack format debuting on a much more successful
> > frequency, people WILL notice and the word-of-mouth will
> be
> > more far-reaching than had the flip happened on 'NEW.
>
> Good point... It *is* getting people to talk, that's for
> sure... Same in Chicago... And keep that in mind, you've got
> two cities where Oldies stations have flipped to Variety
> Hits at the same time...
>
> We remember when WNEW had a pre-format stunt leading up to
> the ill-fated "Blink" format. It took building it up for
> people to talk about it. You're right in that a WNEW flip to
> Jack would have flown under the radar... But I am still of
> the opinion that Infinity made a resounding statement by
> flipping two Oldies stations in two top markets. And I'm
> sure L.A. isn't too far behind at this point.

Don't forget San Francisco either, because Max and Jack-FM are two different animals. All you have to do is stream Max and then stream Jack-FM. There is a
very big difference!
 
> > The speculation has been WNEW flipping to Jack. With this
>
> > outa left-field move, Infinity has opened up a format hole
>
> > that WNEW could fill. CBS-FM was tied for 7th place 12+
>
> > in NYC. NEW-FM was 16th. That's a very tempting position
>
> > for NEW-FM to try to occupy.
> >
> > Is this the opening gambit in an Infinity strategic
> > re-alignment?
> >
>
>
> Why? if CBS which has been aorund and known for yyears as
> an oldies station isnt doing well, why would anyone flip
> WNEW to oldies?.
>

Agreed. It wouldn't make any sense to flip WNEW to oldies. Maybe PLJ could make a move to oldies but I doubt that.
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

>
And I'm
> sure L.A. isn't too far behind at this point.
>

Yes, but LA already has Jack. What would happen with KRTH?
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
 
Re: WNEW-FM Flip to Oldies? Why?

> And I'm sure L.A. isn't too far behind at this point.
> >
>
> Yes, but LA already has Jack. What would happen with KRTH?

I know that - otherwise they would have flipped today, also... All I'm saying is, keep a close eye on KRTH, and make some airchecks, do what you gotta do, because it's not looking good for oldies on terrestrial radio. (Except in Nashville, anyway...)<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: Will WCBS-FM's Loss Be WKHL 96.7's Gain?

> (This was originally its own thread, but in an effort to
> eliminate some of the expected clutter on the front of this
> board, I'm "subrooting" the thread to this location.)
>
> Ozman wrote:
>
> > Just a thought. with wcbs-Fm gone how do you think wkhl
> kool
> > 96.7 from stamford ct (my backyard area) will do in the
> nyc
> > area in the ratings seeming thir signal goes well into nj
>
>
> It's quite possible. In the Bronx, Westchester and some
> parts of Long Island, 96.7 is receivable.


I am on the North Shore of Long Island, and it comes in staticky, but clearly, throughout most of the NY metro area. It is certainly more than can be said for Long Island's own 103.1 aka "B 103." I can't even hear it where I am!

Does anyone know what the wattage differance between the two stations is?

I am really hoping that this will be KHL's gain, and that they will take full advantage of this opportunity. Any chance that they will be able to snag some of the now unemployed CBS FM DJs?


> Stranger things have happened. Within months of the oldies
> station in Orlando flipping to a Spanish format, an oldies
> station from a nearby Florida city, I believe it's Vero
> Beach, found its way into the next trends. Under a 1 rating,
> but it was a sharp increase for that station.

Ah, I am hoping that the same happens for WKHL. Would it be legal for them to start advertising outside Fairfield County?
 
That would be the right thing to do. It's not as though they have much to lose. And it would come across as doing the right thing to appease the WCBS listeners, although the right thing to do would have been to leave a radio station on the air instead of replacing it with a jukebox/jackbox/jack in the box.
 
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