WNJC legal ID

[odomski]

I was in the City last night and flipping through the AM dial. I heard some program which seemed to be geared towards the "african american" audience. How can I tell this? Well, the host of the show used mostly ebonics instead of English. Anyway, after the show ended, a female voice came on and said "this is WNJC 1360 AM in Washington Township." Since when is that a legal ID? Does anyone at that station know what a legal ID is?

 

[MarcB]

Yeah. It should be WNJC 1360 AM Vineland or WNJC Vineland or 1360 AM is WNJC Vineland.

 

[odomski]

Are they licensed to Vineland or Washington Township?

The only station that I know of that is allowed to have the frequency in the Legal ID is KYW. Other than that, 1360's legal ID should be "WNJC Washington Township (or Vineland...whatever town the station is licensed to).

Someone at WNJC needs to teach their board ops what a legal ID is.

 

[fred flintstone]

Are they licensed to Vineland or Washington Township?

The only station that I know of that is allowed to have the frequency in the Legal ID is KYW. Other than that, 1360's legal ID should be "WNJC Washington Township (or Vineland...whatever town the station is licensed to).

Someone at WNJC needs to teach their board ops what a legal ID is.

The legal ID is call letters and city of license.
The station can add other information to the required items (frequency, another city with which the station wishes to be associated, a slogan).
An example of a second city ID is WCOJ, Coatesville - West Chester. Coatesville is the city of license. West Chester is where more prospective local advertisers are (although the nighttime signal barely makes it there).
Some stations, like WKXW in Trenton, even bury the legal ID under the news bed coming out of their more familiar, extra-legal ID: "New Jersey 101.5. Our own radio station. Not New York. Not Philadelphia. Proud to be New Jersey 101.5."

 

[billjacobs]

Someone at WNJC needs to teach their board ops what a legal ID is...

Uh, not quite. 47 CFR 73.1201(b)(1) says "Official station identification shall consist of the station's call letters, followed immediately by the community or communities specified in its license as the station's location. Provided, that the name of the station's licensee, the station's frequency, the station's channel number, as stated on the station's license, and/or the station's network affiliation may be inserted between the call letters and station location."

Anything BEFORE the calls, or AFTER the city of license is irrelevant. NJ 101.5 DOES say "WKXW-FM, Trenton". It's about 20db down, under the beginning of their news bed; it's not part of that "not New York" bumper.


Final score : WNJC Board Ops : 1. O'Domski : 0

Bill

 

[BRUSSTAR]

Someone at WNJC needs to teach their board ops what a legal ID is.

Or, someone on a message board should actually know what he's talking about before shooting his mouth.

Insertion of frequency (as long as it's exact, no rounding), channel (in the case of FM), as well as licensee (actually licensee, not a blanket trading name like "Clear Channel") is totally permissible and has been for as long as I can remember.

Pray tell, why would KYW be "allowed" to do a legal ID differently? I know the Commission grants wavers for silly things like ownership rules and so forth, but I've never heard of a station getting permission (or finding a legitimate need) to run legal IDs differently.

Also, while use of "in" between calls and COL is not technically permissible, the Commission has generally "looked the other way" on the matter. Before the Pop Explosion, WFIL regularly identified every half-hour (as was required then) as "WFIL in Philadelphia".

Perhaps you should write Hugh Wilson to complain about Dr. Johnny Fever's use of "WKRP In Cincinnati"...

As for WNJC, I believe (admittedly not 100% sure) the COL is now officially Washington Township. For the longest time, it was Vineland, and in the 1990s an FCC attorney once told me the station should have been ID-ing as "WNJC Vineland with special temporary authority to serve Washington Township" (or something terribly verbose like that) since the Deptford location was unable to put a city grade signal into Vineland (especially at night). Not surprisingly, I never heard such an ident on the station. I remember hearing the transmission facilities have been operating thru an STA for years, going back to the Gus Cawley days. Not sure what the deal is now.

 

[BRUSSTAR]

Fred and Bill,

You must type faster than I do

 

[odomski]

Re: WNJC legal ID..excuse me all to hell

I always was told a legal ID were the station's call letters followed by the city of license. That's it. I was told for some reason KYW's legal ID of "KYW 1060 Philadelphia" was grandfathered in or something like that. I'm not sure of the entire reason why or if this is even true. I don't understand why WNJC can use an ID of "this is WNJC 1360 AM in Washington Township, New Jersey." That alleged legal ID is not even close to the rules/law that Bill referred to.

George: your smarta$$ comments are unnecessary. I posted a legit concern. My concern warranted educated, mature answers...and not your stupid attacks. Save your silly, unprofessional attacks and hatred for me for your talk show and your own message board. I asked a question about a station's alleged legal ID. If I knew their legal ID was aired correctly, I wouldn't have brought up the topic. George, I have left you alone. I'm telling you to get off my back. You don't like me and I don't like you. Your worthless crap is really old and unnecessary. I'm sorry that you feel that I attacked your precious WNJC. : You come out of the woodwork here and there, and provide nothing of significance. Just stay over on your own message board, where everyone agrees with what you say.

Bill: thank you for posting the regulations when it comes to legal IDs. I appreciate it. Thanks for clearing it up. I promise I won't ask any more questions about legal IDs, since it seems to insult George so much. Also, I didn't realize this was a game between myself and the WNJC Board Ops? Somewhat funny nonetheless.

 

[BRUSSTAR]

Sorry Shawn, but you were the one here who started the attacks (in this case, against WNJC board operators). When you start a thread with unwarranted hostility, expect no less in return (especially when you're incorrect).

Save your silly, unprofessional attacks and hatred for me for your talk show and your own message board.

I have never mentioned your name on the show, and don't think I've really spent much (or any) time on you here. I really haven't had much of an opinion on you ('til now). I don't have "my own message board", which is why I am here and at PhillyTalk.

George, I have left you alone. I'm telling you to get off my back.

Yes sir. I won't disagree with you anymore, even when you attack others unprovoked with incorrect accusations.

You don't like me and I don't like you.

It doesn't have to be that way, but whatever. I've tried being nice to you. Others involved with the show have been nice to you, even inviting you to come on with us. I'm sorry you feel this way.

I'm sorry that you feel that I attacked your precious WNJC.

I don't own WNJC, nor am I affiliated with it in any way. Just out of curiosity, why were you listening to a brokered station in the first place? And an African-American program (which you ripped also, again, unprovoked) at that?

You come out of the woodwork here and there, and provide nothing of significance.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'd like to think a quick search of the posts I've made here in recent weeks are of much greater substance than say, I don't know, adding dozens of replies in the "ESPN on 104.5" thread just saying things like "Page eight" or "Page nine" or "Let's keep this thread going". Or the dozens of posts you've flooded this forum with doing nothing but complaining about Julius (again, unprovoked). Yet somehow I am the one "providing nothing of significance".

Reread your original post and honestly tell me it "warranted a thoughtful reply", and it wasn't just you ripping on WNJC and/or an unnamed board-op.

Reread your response to me in this thread. Re-read Bill Jacobs post, then mine. Can you honestly say I was more "attackful" than Bill? Maybe a small bit, yet does that warrant the completely opposite responses you gave the two of us (for pretty much saying the exact same thing)?

I'm sure you (and at least one other) will have lots to say in response, but I think I've made my point. Enjoy responding to yourself.

 

[fred flintstone]

Sometimes stations get away with things for a long time.
WWJ, Detroit was originally owned by The Detroit News.
They referred to themselves as "The Detroit News station." sometimes more often than by call letters.
Their "legal ID" for almost 40 years was "WWJ, The Detroit News."
In the 60s, the FCC cracked down. The Evening News Association argued they included the call letters and the city of license but it didn't wash.
They ended up as "WWJ, The Detroit News, Detroit."
CBS now owns WWJ and the issue is moot.

When AM-FM simulcasting was still the norm, most stations did a "legal ID" in the form of "WOOF AM and FM, East Podunk." The FCC cracked down on that. At the time, there was no call letter suffix "AM." All stations in the standard broadcast band used just call letters. The FCC required stations to start saying "WOOF and WOOF-FM, East Podunk. It wasn't long before the FCC required separate programming on FM, so this one was mostly moot, as well.

My personal preference: The FCC should crack down on promotional statements with legal IDs which are blatantly false, like "Delaware's ONLY News Station."

 

[BRUSSTAR]

Actually, I'm pretty sure "-AM" still isn't a recognized suffix.

It wasn't long before the FCC required separate programming on FM, so this one was mostly moot, as well.

Right, but there was a small-market exemption. Particularly for stations like the WSNJ ones in Bridgeton, which were mostly a simulcast until being sold a few years ago. With no disrespect to that historic facility, I never understood why the Bolds thought "WSNJ AM and FM stereo Bridgeton" was an acceptable hourly ID...

My personal preference: The FCC should crack down on promotional statements with legal IDs which are blatantly false, like "Delaware's ONLY News Station."

Agreed. Protecting the citizenry from fraud is one of the few things the Federal Government is SUPPOSED to do. (It's certainly more important than Janet Jackson's breast.) I guess WDOV Dover (which had minimal news, but I believe was actually even using the "Newsradio" moniker at the time) wasn't in Delaware. Perhaps WGMD Rehoboth wasn't in Delaware. And of course, WDEL has no news department according to the erroneous claim. But I was always more annoyed at one of the other blatantly false claims that Delaware station regularly made:

"We're the only independently owned all-news station in the U.S."

Forgetting the fact that two-thirds of the lineup was talk and not news, it seems the previous administration enjoyed denying the existence of KQV Pittsburgh, WNPV Lansdale (not all-news either, but with just as many news hours as the station in question), WKOK Sunbury, and about a dozen others I approached the owner's son about including several in the program director's native Illinois.

 

[OHara]

That ID is nothing compared to the illegal operation they have been running over 15 years. They should be running 5kw with a strict directional pattern to the Southeast, toward Vineland (former COL) and the South Jersey shore, utilizing the two tall and two short towers. What they have been doing is using the one tall strobed tower, at 1kw OMNI, to bring the signal into Philly and try to pawn it off as a Philly station. That is the only hot tower, the other 3 are cold and useless. This is so we can hear the great King Arthur and his Doo Wop, Soul Sounds and the other buy time, soul jocks, at their Rhythmic hops, using a telephone taped to a speaker, the station is a big joke, just like Forsight(sp).

 

[fred flintstone]

"We're the only independently owned all-news station in the U.S."

Forgetting the fact that two-thirds of the lineup was talk and not news, it seems the previous administration enjoyed denying the existence of KQV Pittsburgh, WNPV Lansdale (not all-news either, but with just as many news hours as the station in question), WKOK Sunbury, and about a dozen others I approached the owner's son about including several in the program director's native Illinois.

At one point, I went through the Katz data base and found 14 all news stations in the US (which really were all news, at least on weekdays 6 am to 6 pm). Of course, that was before AP pulled the plug on their all news feed (and most of those stations used AP All News Radio, as did WNPV).

It is ironic that the FCC gets up in arms when CBS puts a (not impressive) breast on the air for a fraction of second, yet allows one Wilmington radio station to put an ass on the air for two hours every day. :

 

[radiostar2010]

hey its the guy from channel 7 with rj brusstar you were a big hit on channel 7 how is moxley now i heard he is dead ? well i did shows on wnjc and its a good station who lets you run your own show unlike you who took people's money for nothing dennis said hi

 

[BRUSSTAR]

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[odomski]

George: I simply wondered why WNJC was not airing a correct Legal ID. I merely suggested the board ops/on air people need to learn what a legal ID is, and use it properly. That's not attacking them or the station in any way. You just think I was attacking them, because of the hatred you have for me. You personally have never invited me to listen or call your show. Kyle is the only who has done that. You know my reasons why I won't listen or call into your show. Stop trying to play Mr. Know It All Broadcast Informant, because you don't know as much as you lead on.

If you read my original post, I said that I was simply flipping through the AM dial. I spent a total of two minutes listening to the end of the WNJC program and the alleged legal station identification. Then, I continued flipping through the AM dial...and came across a very clear station on 1540 AM. I forget the call lettes off hand, but I do recall they were a station from Waterloo, Iowa.

If you choose to communicate with me further, please use the Personal Message feature on this forum...or stop responding to my posts altogether.

 

[PaulBWalkerJr]

Shawn:

The station you heard on 1540 was KXEL, a 50KW AM'r.

Ohara:
You obviously seem to think eerything you hate/don't like is wrong and needs to go. For you to make such claims against their towers you must have some inside knowledge. Rather then act like the racist child you are, go to the owners or the FCC. Either way, making claims agaisn a stations legality should not be made in places like this.

 

[starlitejon]

Two Years Before Ed Bold died he ordered the PD at the time to remove Stereo From the legal Id and have it redone by Ed Lock to say WSNJAM AND FM BRIDEGETON. ANYTIME I did a live Id I Always said WSNJAM AND FM BRIDGETON which is the proper Legal Id